12-13-2010 04:10 PM
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  1. some internet dude's Avatar
    I have a feeling that Nexus S will turn out to be a bigger flop than Nexus One.
    Average customer doesn't know and won't care much for earlier OS updates. With Galaxy S massive ad campaign and availability + soon coming out dual core Tegra Honeycomb phones Nexus S will fade into oblivion. I will not be surprised if Nexus S sale figures will be less than Nexus One... Enjoy your "pure Google experience"...

    (Nexus One owner)
    I think your right. I get the whole DEV thing, but it will generate unwanted/misunderstood press for Google. If they wanted to test a none SD card model, they should have kept it for them selves. Another Nexus labeled phone that only brings in mediocre sales will hurt Google a little.
    12-10-2010 09:46 PM
  2. Johnly's Avatar
    Unless you t mo.......than it is the little 16 gig that could! Google? Nvm......
    12-10-2010 09:49 PM
  3. PhyscoAssassinX's Avatar
    im just wonder people are saying there is no need for an SD card right?

    now im going to use my friend and her vibrent for example, she made a small error while flashing which caused the phone to stop working and she lost all her photos which were on her on-board memory. now if she didnt have her SD she would have been screwed and lost older photos.
    12-10-2010 10:09 PM
  4. Hearthatvoiceagain's Avatar
    im just wonder people are saying there is no need for an SD card right?

    now im going to use my friend and her vibrent for example, she made a small error while flashing which caused the phone to stop working and she lost all her photos which were on her on-board memory. now if she didnt have her SD she would have been screwed and lost older photos.
    Ahhh, but she made the error "while flashing" (by which I assume you mean flashing a rom as opposed to exposing herself) this is something that falls outside the warrantied use of the phone. Also using a "goldcard" as part of the rooting process requires a removable card. Maybe its the OEM's who want to do away with removable storage to prevent rooting and custom roms.
    12-11-2010 09:58 AM
  5. ragnarokx's Avatar
    Maybe its the OEM's who want to do away with removable storage to prevent rooting and custom roms.
    That's what Motorola tried to do with their eFuse - luckily where there's a will, there's a way
    12-11-2010 10:54 AM
  6. Johnly's Avatar
    Usb cables.
    12-11-2010 11:03 AM
  7. miniZ's Avatar
    Ahhh, but she made the error "while flashing" (by which I assume you mean flashing a rom as opposed to exposing herself) this is something that falls outside the warrantied use of the phone. Also using a "goldcard" as part of the rooting process requires a removable card.
    .. I do believe the Nexus series can be rooted and ROM'd without the use of a gold card. Are you referencing future phones and their lack?

    And for the other person.. isn't a rule of rooting to always back phone up before doing so?
    12-11-2010 05:44 PM
  8. onixblack's Avatar
    How are they partitioning the space, if its open then it will be great
    12-11-2010 09:28 PM
  9. anon(52425)'s Avatar
    Expandable memory is not a problem for me. I have had phones with SD storage and didn't use it. Ever.
    12-11-2010 09:37 PM
  10. Smokexz's Avatar
    Hey, Windows Phone 7 users and iPhone users don't complain...

    Sent from my Samsung Vibrant
    12-12-2010 12:13 AM
  11. Chris Kerrigan's Avatar
    Hey, Windows Phone 7 users and iPhone users don't complain...

    Sent from my Samsung Vibrant
    Right, but when your used to having something on virtually every device since Android first got its start, it is pretty disappointing to see it not included.

    Sent from my Fascinate via Tapatalk Pro
    12-12-2010 12:44 AM
  12. Smokexz's Avatar
    Right, but when your used to having something on virtually every device since Android first got its start, it is pretty disappointing to see it not included.

    Sent from my Fascinate via Tapatalk Pro
    I understand this, but the thing is, Google made this for people to make apps for other devices, its your choice if you want this as a personal device. Another thing people have to realize is that Google is making more money off of the OS rather than the phone, Google could have easily not made a phone and you would be stuck with waiting months for an update. Oh, and at least Google didn't strip the mass storage capability, then is when we have the pure right of complaining, but this is pure open space, you still have space and it is nothing to cry over. If you do cry over this, then just keep your current device or wait for something "better".
    12-12-2010 08:40 PM
  13. Chris Kerrigan's Avatar
    Oh don't worry, I'm not crying over this by any means. I understand Google's positioning here, but I also understand both sides here. Disappointing? Yes. But for me, it's not a deal breaker.
    12-12-2010 11:11 PM
  14. onthecouchagain's Avatar
    A big reason Google/Sammy decided to go with an iNAND memory card and drop the SD external is to have games be able to draw data faster from the direct memory card.

    Considering the push Google wants to make into gaming on Android, I have to concede this makes sense.

    The pieces are coming together, and I'm beginning to change my mind about the Nexus S, despite being vocally critical of its specs the past week since its announcement.

    Now, how do I conjure up ~$600 dollars...? Hm.
    12-12-2010 11:33 PM
  15. RayStinkle's Avatar
    I don't buy into the reason stated in this thread as to why there's no memory card. There are countless other android phones that had unique hardware circumstances that the nexus one dev phone did not have, such as front camera for video calling, fm radio, etc. Making a device with a limitation like this just to test one little code function hook into the OS is not how these things work and that's not why Samsung excluded memory card. There are plenty of ways to develop for and test a function.
    12-12-2010 11:35 PM
  16. TuxDotKing's Avatar
    I don't buy into the reason stated in this thread as to why there's no memory card. There are countless other android phones that had unique hardware circumstances that the nexus one dev phone did not have, such as front camera for video calling, fm radio, etc. Making a device with a limitation like this just to test one little code function hook into the OS is not how these things work and that's not why Samsung excluded memory card. There are plenty of ways to develop for and test a function.
    Trust me, it's mostly data transfer speeds, pure and simple. You'd be surprised how much of a speed boost simple things like that can give a device. Of course, I think that SDK function is a part of it too.

    Also, Samsung didn't exclude an SD card. Google did. Everything about the Nexus S was chosen by Google, even the Galaxy S-esque shell recieved modifications at Google's request.
    12-12-2010 11:58 PM
  17. Chris Kerrigan's Avatar
    Trust me, it's mostly data transfer speeds, pure and simple. You'd be surprised how much of a speed boost simple things like that can give a device. Of course, I think that SDK function is a part of it too.

    Also, Samsung didn't exclude an SD card. Google did. Everything about the Nexus S was chosen by Google, even the Galaxy S-esque shell recieved modifications at Google's request.
    Yep -- exactly right. Google made virtually every decision about the Nexus S, much like they did with the Nexus One. Samsung just manufactured it to Googles specifications. Trust me when I say everything about this phone is Google, from the OS right down to design decisions and hardware.
    12-13-2010 12:15 AM
  18. YourMobileGuru's Avatar
    I have a feeling that Nexus S will turn out to be a bigger flop than Nexus One.
    I am so tired of reading people call the Nexus One a flop. For it to be a flop we would need to know what Google intended. They never really told us, so we are left to guess.

    From the way it was marketed (online only) it is pretty clear that they never intended it to be a mass market device. The Nexus was a Dev phone that was also publicly available, nothing more; and comparing the the sales of the N1 to that of say the Moto Droid, Droid Incredible, or EVO is stupid and hardly fair given that all of those phones had full marketing support from their carriers across all mediums (print, tv, online).
    12-13-2010 12:47 AM
  19. Chris Kerrigan's Avatar
    All people look at are sales numbers these days. Suddenly because the N1 didn't sell a million units it's a flop. If Google doesn't consider it a flop, I don't think it's anyone else's business calling it a flop...
    12-13-2010 12:58 AM
  20. YourMobileGuru's Avatar
    All people look at are sales numbers these days. Suddenly because the N1 didn't sell a million units it's a flop. If Google doesn't consider it a flop, I don't think it's anyone else's business calling it a flop...
    AMEN Brother! :-)
    12-13-2010 01:02 AM
  21. DroidXcon's Avatar
    So i listening to Engadgets recent podcast and they said that google is trying to distance themselves from Micro SD because of the hardware problems produced with them and google would rather keep away from using them.. if you read the forums this sounds like a viable explanation. i have read alot about people having problems with formatting and cards unmounting on their own along with other problems.

    i guess this is googles way of saying , this is the type of hardware configuration works best with what they have designed over at google.

    Perhaps like they mentioned in the podcast future phones will have more highspeed onboard storage.

    Please don't attack me on this im just repeating what i heard and throwing out some ideas into the tank.
    12-13-2010 01:25 AM
  22. ragnarokx's Avatar
    Nobody's going to attack you - this is a friendly forum, and I'm here to make sure it stays that way.

    New ideas and information is always welcome.
    DroidXcon likes this.
    12-13-2010 02:01 AM
  23. YourMobileGuru's Avatar
    So i listening to Engadgets recent podcast and they said that google is trying to distance themselves from Micro SD because of the hardware problems produced with them and google would rather keep away from using them..
    Except it really isn't up to Google, it's up to hardware manufacturers to include SD cards or not and if they remove SD card support from Android (which remember is open source and infinitely customizable) they run the risk of having OEM's write their own (non standardized) code to make it work because, let's face it, the general public wants an easy way to add and remove files and to expand the memory of the device. It also seems to fly in the face of what they are already doing? If they want to eliminate SD cards then why did they add Apps2SD in Froyo?

    Relax, no one is yelling at anyone, just friendly debate :-)

    EDIT: Oh and I think that the issues people are having with SD cards has more to do with the cheapie class 2 SD cards they give away with phones (and most places sell) than with Android itself.
    12-13-2010 02:10 AM
  24. DroidXcon's Avatar
    Except it really isn't up to Google, it's up to hardware manufacturers to include SD cards or not and if they remove SD card support from Android (which remember is open source and infinitely customizable) they run the risk of having OEM's write their own (non standardized) code to make it work because, let's face it, the general public wants an easy way to add and remove files and to expand the memory of the device. It also seems to fly in the face of what they are already doing? If they want to eliminate SD cards then why did they add Apps2SD in Froyo?

    Relax, no one is yelling at anyone, just friendly debate :-)

    EDIT: Oh and I think that the issues people are having with SD cards has more to do with the cheapie class 2 SD cards they give away with phones (and most places sell) than with Android itself.
    Its not upto the manufacturer what goes into the phone they just use their materials, google would not say , hey samsung make a phone and slap the name nexus on it. Samsung made what they were asked to make...the arguement can be made based on the fact that all the galaxy phones have removeable cards

    As for the Apps2SD if you noticed that was not an option before Froyo. then google decided to support the hardware that was already out there, this most likely cause more problems then they anticipated and most likely they would rather not do this but the fact of the matter is that manufactures make the devices they want and they are using this feature so google supports it even though they dont want to . Hence in their iteration of their baseline android device they left this out of it.

    And yes def a cheapie SD card issue i agree

    And thanks
    12-13-2010 02:26 AM
  25. YourMobileGuru's Avatar
    The only phones that Google has any say on are those in the Nexus series, so the Nexus One and Nexus S are the only ones your argument holds water for.

    Google does not have to approve any other Android phones (ie the Galaxy S series or Droid series). Android is open source and OEM's can do whatever they want with it, put it on any phone they want and modify Android itself any way they want to make it work with their devices. You know the Samsung Continuum right? It has the interesting "ticker" screen which no other Android phone has (yet). Samsung had to write code to make that work and it is highly likely that OEM's would write code to make SD cards work even if Google removed it from Android (or more likely they would simply life the code from a previous version of Android and update it to make it work with the newest version).

    OEM's do NOT want to have to add more memory to their phones, it is easier and cheaper for them to give you a free 8GB MicroSD card (which they probably paid $4 for because they bought them in bulk) than for them to increase the internal memory.

    I don't think you are giving Google enough credit. What is going into the various initiations of Android is planned months in advance and I think it unlikely that they would add a feature like Apps2SD only to remove it later. Some developers on Googles team may like the idea of not having to deal with SD cards anymore but I have serious doubts that they would shoot themselves in the foot like that with OEM's.

    And it's no problem :-)
    12-13-2010 02:44 AM
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