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  1. Closingracer's Avatar
    Root metric on a national level says otherwise









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    02-27-2015 03:56 PM
  2. Rukbat's Avatar
    No static test is valid, the path from the provider's entry point to the internet (Point of Presence) to the server measuring the speed is going to vary moment by moment, so even transferring a 100MB file (which is pretty small) is going to have some packets going faster than others. Comparing that to another carrier's PoP to a different server on a different day? Like comparing apples and Martian frogs. The test isn't totally meaningless, it's many orders of magnitude less significant than that. I can get 2mbps download from one server while I'm getting a 20mbps download from another server - from the same computer at the same time. So what's my "speed"?

    People who believe "scores" like that also believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy (or know as much about the subject as young children know about sub-atomic physics).
    02-27-2015 04:20 PM
  3. Almeuit's Avatar
    The claims are like any claims .. They're based off certain criteria. Just like claims from every single carrier.
    02-27-2015 04:28 PM
  4. Closingracer's Avatar
    No static test is valid, the path from the provider's entry point to the internet (Point of Presence) to the server measuring the speed is going to vary moment by moment, so even transferring a 100MB file (which is pretty small) is going to have some packets going faster than others. Comparing that to another carrier's PoP to a different server on a different day? Like comparing apples and Martian frogs. The test isn't totally meaningless, it's many orders of magnitude less significant than that. I can get 2mbps download from one server while I'm getting a 20mbps download from another server - from the same computer at the same time. So what's my "speed"?

    People who believe "scores" like that also believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy (or know as much about the subject as young children know about sub-atomic physics).
    Yeah but I'm proving t-mobile claims of the "fastest" is pretty much invalid.... They want to claim it but even when I had a good connection I averaged 2-8 mbps in places I barely got service which was quite a few places or 15-20 outside. I've gotten better average speeds with AT&T and verizon.

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    02-27-2015 05:28 PM
  5. Almeuit's Avatar
    Yeah but I'm proving t-mobile claims of the "fastest" is pretty much invalid.... They want to claim it but even when I had a good connection I averaged 2-8 mbps in places I barely got service which was quite a few places or 15-20 outside. I've gotten better average speeds with AT&T and verizon.

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    You can't compare your exact usage to the claim since they're not basing it on your claim. You got 2-8. I got 108. Obviously different areas.

    Their claims I believe are based on Speed test results. Root metrics goes all over .. Most users with T-Mobile are probably in a good area otherwise they'd be on another carrier.
    02-27-2015 07:47 PM
  6. Closingracer's Avatar
    You can't compare your exact usage to the claim since they're not basing it on your claim. You got 2-8. I got 108. Obviously different areas.

    Their claims I believe are based on Speed test results. Root metrics goes all over .. Most users with T-Mobile are probably in a good area otherwise they'd be on another carrier.
    Yeah but t-mobile claims to be the "fastest" .....root metrics says otherwise .....


    My own speed test also disputes that claim ....


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    02-27-2015 07:49 PM
  7. raino's Avatar
    I believe John Legere has said that TMO does not put much stock in RootMetrics scores, but prefers crowdsourced results--surely because there's no chance of skewing with the latter.
    02-27-2015 09:29 PM
  8. zhris's Avatar
    Yeah but t-mobile claims to be the "fastest" .....root metrics says otherwise .....


    My own speed test also disputes that claim ....


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    Fine, they'll change it to Fastest Network (Except outside of Closingracer's House). Happy now?
    02-27-2015 09:41 PM
  9. Almeuit's Avatar
    Yeah but t-mobile claims to be the "fastest" .....root metrics says otherwise .....


    My own speed test also disputes that claim ....


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    Again to be the fastest on speed test results. Root metrics does otherwise. I know you know how the * at the bottom of these things work :P.

    Just like how Verizon says the best coverage everywhere then at the bottom says "*coverage not available everywhere".
    02-27-2015 10:03 PM
  10. Closingracer's Avatar
    Fine, they'll change it to Fastest Network (Except outside of Closingracer's House). Happy now?
    They are once again lying calling it " the fastest data network" whe it clearly isn't. I get zero mbps in my home with t-mobile because I get zero service. The top speed I ever gotten in NYC with t-mobile was 39 Mbps. Verizon I got 69 Mbps and AT&T the fastest was 56 Mbps. See t-mobile want to use the generic term the fastest which would include nyc and it isn't. The fastest I ever got with t-mobile ever and I've been in philly , Connecticut, Long Island , and jersey was 39 Mbps. Fastest I've gotten with AT&T outside or inside nyc was 60 Mbps but can't comment on Verizon since I've haven't tested it outside the city so far


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    02-27-2015 10:18 PM
  11. Closingracer's Avatar
    Again to be the fastest on speed test results. Root metrics does otherwise. I know you know how the * at the bottom of these things work :P.

    Just like how Verizon says the best coverage everywhere then at the bottom says "*coverage not available everywhere".
    I don't like any of the carriers really but I find AT&T and Verizon better then t-mobile .... At least they have a network to back up their claims vs t-mobile, they want to claim stuff but yet isn't exactly true. Fastest network ? No. Priding themselves on great customer service ? I left them because of it. Abolished contracts ? Technically yes but there using finance charges instead and how many people upgrade their phones vs sticking with theirs for 8 years ? There is people who stick with their phone but not the majority in the United States on a post paid plan. Also making us to take Jump! Whenever you get a device by upgrade or your first is dumb. I bet a lot of people just forget and never take it off. I like the option to add it on like every other carrier allows you to add these kind of services


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    02-27-2015 10:27 PM
  12. Almeuit's Avatar
    I don't like any of the carriers really but I find AT&T and Verizon better then t-mobile .... At least they have a network to back up their claims vs t-mobile, they want to claim stuff but yet isn't exactly true. Fastest network ? No. Priding themselves on great customer service ? I left them because of it. Abolished contracts ? Technically yes but there using finance charges instead and how many people upgrade their phones vs sticking with theirs for 8 years ? There is people who stick with their phone but not the majority in the United States on a post paid plan. Also making us to take Jump! Whenever you get a device by upgrade or your first is dumb. I bet a lot of people just forget and never take it off. I like the option to add it on like every other carrier allows you to add these kind of services


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    You only don't like the claims since you did not get them. Which is fine .. But you can't speak for everywhere. Also as stated previously it depends on sources.. And also areas for service. It's clear you don't like T-mobile which is fine but to compare your one experience and claim it as everyone's is not only inaccurate.. It's also just wasting valuable space in this section for people wanting to find out information on T-Mobile.
    02-28-2015 02:18 AM
  13. Almeuit's Avatar
    They are once again lying calling it " the fastest data network" whe it clearly isn't. I get zero mbps in my home with t-mobile because I get zero service. The top speed I ever gotten in NYC with t-mobile was 39 Mbps. Verizon I got 69 Mbps and AT&T the fastest was 56 Mbps. See t-mobile want to use the generic term the fastest which would include nyc and it isn't. The fastest I ever got with t-mobile ever and I've been in philly , Connecticut, Long Island , and jersey was 39 Mbps. Fastest I've gotten with AT&T outside or inside nyc was 60 Mbps but can't comment on Verizon since I've haven't tested it outside the city so far


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    Again they're claiming on a certain source. All carriers do it. This isn't new to advertising .. Also they can't claim for every single location. NO carrier can do this. Your fastest is 69 on Verizon. My fastest is 108 on T-Mobile. So it depends on area. You focus on your area as if it's the entire base for all wireless and that isn't the case.
    02-28-2015 02:22 AM
  14. zorak950's Avatar
    It's like whenever different polls indicate different results: each side cites the source that supports their position. If you like one better than the other that's your choice, but arguing about it isn't going to accomplish anything. As for your personal experience, Almeuit is right: that's important for you, but it's not statistically relevant.
    02-28-2015 02:39 AM
  15. Closingracer's Avatar
    Again they're claiming on a certain source. All carriers do it. This isn't new to advertising .. Also they can't claim for every single location. NO carrier can do this. Your fastest is 69 on Verizon. My fastest is 108 on T-Mobile. So it depends on area. You focus on your area as if it's the entire base for all wireless and that isn't the case.
    Yeah but at least Verizon claims are more true then t-mobile. Verizon generally has service everywhere where as t-mobile claims to be the fastest yet I've been in 4 different states plus Washington DC and it never got higher then 40 Mbps. T-mobile can claim what they want but claiming the fastest based off one speed test area over the whole world and claiming it true doesn't make it true. Their network covers the United States of America and if I am in New York , California or New Mexico I expect their "claims" to be somewhat true. If I'm averaging 2-15 Mbps that isn't fast.


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    02-28-2015 07:19 AM
  16. Closingracer's Avatar
    It's like whenever different polls indicate different results: each side cites the source that supports their position. If you like one better than the other that's your choice, but arguing about it isn't going to accomplish anything. As for your personal experience, Almeuit is right: that's important for you, but it's not statistically relevant.
    Using speed tests in the middle on a low populated area and calling true is beyond using a source that supports its position. Using a speed test in a bunch of cities and then averaging them ok but using it in Hawaii or some small city and ignore the big populated ones which have more people on their network is fixing the results ..


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    02-28-2015 07:26 AM
  17. zorak950's Avatar
    ...using it in Hawaii or some small city and ignore the big populated ones which have more people on their network is fixing the results ..
    Yeah, which is why that's not how they got their data. You're creating straw men.
    02-28-2015 10:36 AM
  18. Closingracer's Avatar
    Yeah, which is why that's not how they got their data. You're creating straw men.
    They had to use something to base their claim and it wasn't root metrics ....don't see any feasible way they are the fastest other then taking selective picking


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    02-28-2015 10:42 AM
  19. Shilohcane's Avatar
    If you look at only 4G then Open Signal currently shows T-Mobile as the fastest network in the nation and what TMO referenced when they made the claim. Open Signal is one of the largest Crowd sourced Signal App not just in the USA but around the world.

    How is t-mobile network the fastest ?-open-signal.jpg
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    02-28-2015 01:20 PM
  20. Shilohcane's Avatar
    The State of US LTE (March 2014)

    "T-Mobile are comfortably the fastest network in the US over the last 3 months, with average speeds of 11.5 Mbps. Sprint perform worst of all US networks, posting LTE speeds that are scarcely faster than existing HSPA+ technologies, with their average speed of 4.3Mbps ranking as one of the slowest networks worldwide."
    02-28-2015 01:41 PM
  21. Shilohcane's Avatar
    This is the source of TMO's claim that was very clear making Open Signal as their proof. Open Signal has a lot more downloads of their App than RootMetric and has much higher rating from users. So I guess our Verizon subscriber will need another game strategy for his straw-man argument against T-Mobile.

    Magenta has fastest U.S. LTE network according to OpenSignal report
    02-28-2015 01:56 PM
  22. raino's Avatar
    If one chooses to go ad hominem, they are best served looking at the most recent information.

    RootMetrics report quoted: testing done in the second half of 2014. The RootMetrics 2nd Half 2014 US Mobile Network Performance Review | RootMetrics
    02-28-2015 02:01 PM
  23. Almeuit's Avatar
    Yeah but at least Verizon claims are more true then t-mobile. Verizon generally has service everywhere where as t-mobile claims to be the fastest yet I've been in 4 different states plus Washington DC and it never got higher then 40 Mbps. T-mobile can claim what they want but claiming the fastest based off one speed test area over the whole world and claiming it true doesn't make it true. Their network covers the United States of America and if I am in New York , California or New Mexico I expect their "claims" to be somewhat true. If I'm averaging 2-15 Mbps that isn't fast.


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    And I've been in NJ and got good speeds. I've been in Jacksonville , Orlando, and Spring Hill and seen 70-100 Mbps in speed. So as said it depends on area. You take the claims and act like if it isn't 100 percent true for you than its false for everyone... Which isn't the case. Just like I had horrible voice quality with Verizon at my house .. That doesn't mean everyone on Verizon has horrible voice quality right ?
    02-28-2015 02:34 PM
  24. Shilohcane's Avatar
    If one chooses to go ad hominem, they are best served looking at the most recent information.

    RootMetrics report quoted: testing done in the second half of 2014. The RootMetrics 2nd Half 2014 US Mobile Network Performance Review | RootMetrics
    I have RootMetrics, Open Signal, Cell Mapper, Signal Check and LTE Discovery Apps on my phone that uploads my signal test back to them. Open Signal has the most recommendations and downloads than all the other four combined by multiplied times over.

    Open Signal's is the largest Crowd Sourcing Signal Checking App of any of those other Apps many times over. So in my opinion it is much more accurate than RootMetrics. That March of 2014 may be the last report they published but AS OF TODAY--- T-Mobile still shows as the Current Fastest Network in the nation. I have uploaded test this week to RootMetrics, Open Signal, Cell Mapper, Signal Check and LTE Discovery in my area. Open Signal is current data with all crowd sourced test and they get a lot more Crowd Sourced testing uploads each week than RootMetric.
    02-28-2015 02:34 PM
  25. Almeuit's Avatar
    Also what's odd is you like to harp on T-Mobile for a claim but don't call out other carriers. An example of this is ATT claiming the strongest LTE signal but .. If we go by root metrics Verizon is the winner in like every category including overall strength / reliability right ?
    02-28-2015 02:43 PM
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