so far ive played with the stock one and winamp. im a long long long time user of winamp but think i like the stock player more. it seems i can't even find a "shuffle all" button. any other recommendations for mp3 players? phone looks SWEEET by the way mounted up on my dash going down the road. love how it stays lit when i have it plugged in with the car adapter. is there any other visualizations you can download for the stock player?