A couple GENERAL Backflip Questions!

Diesel984

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FINALLY! A Phone That'll Work! Ha ha! Sorry, I just swapped over from the Blackberry 9700 (Great phone, Just too many problems...And too many jacked up replacements!) to the Backflip, since it's the only one that AT&T Currently offers...

I'm NOT that familiar with the phone, but I'm running ver 1.5 I beleive (if I've read this correctly) and Im curious to know HOW to update it to 2.1 or 2.2..Even if this phone is capable of doing such...

Second off - I've got the SD Card from my berry in the flip now, How do I go about moving all my specific ringtones over so that the flip can see them? It does have some, but it doesn't have all of the ones I've got in my file...

Finally - What does the market have for a GOOD GPS Tracker/Mapping program??

Glad to be on "The Dark Side" now! ha ha!
 
The backflip has been a bit of a red-headed stepchild in the Android world. It is running 1.5, but the device was released several months after 2.1 became available. The Android OS has to be customized for individual devices, and this is done by the device manufacturer. Google releases a "vanilla" version of the OS, and it typically will work on their current core model, which used to be the G1, and is now the Nexus One. A few other phones have also ran the vanilla version, and tend to get quick upgrades (the Droid, and myTouch for example). Most other phones take longer because not only does the company that makes the phone have to update for the hardware, they also have to upgrade their specific interface (Samsung: TouchWiz, HTC: Sense UI, Motorola: Blur).

This seems to take a long time, or sometimes never happens. So in the meantime impatient users and developers work together to provide unofficial ports. Additionally these ports often provide additional features, or remove some of the junk the carriers put on the phones (like AT&T radio, TV, etc) However, loading something like this requires picking a few locks, like rooting the default install, or unlocking the bootloader.

The bad news is that no one has figured out and publicly released a root method for the Backflip. There is a blogger who says he has rooted a device, but it was done with Motorola developer tools that haven't been leaked, and he is afraid leaking them would have negative consequences for him (presumably his job). I respect his reasons for not releasing things, but it is very disappointing that hacking the Backflip is currently at 0.

I'm now under the impression that there are only about 7 of us who ever bought the device, and we may never see it get rooted. This is particuarly disappointing because of all of the great software coming out that can only run on Android 2.0 or above, the fact that Motorola/AT&T locked down the device from installing apps outside of the market (unlike EVERY OTHER ANDROID DEVICE) and the AT&T bloatware.

The good news is that Motorola has promised a 2.1 upgrade for Q3 2010, which hopefully will get bumped up to 2.2. Motorola has a good track record with updates on the droid, so I have more confidence in this happening than I have in Samsung at this point.

I hope this answers the first part of your question, and picks off some follow up questions before you have to ask them.

As for the rest of your post, I haven't messed with ringtones much, but I think they just have to be in the appropriate folder on the root of the SD card. You may want to throw another micro sd card in the phone and format it to see if the device puts a ringtone folder somewhere, or just back up the data off your current card to your computer and then format the card in the backflip. It would probably be a good idea to get some of the blackberry specific stuff off anyway.

You may strike out on the GPS question. Since Android has has built in Navigation starting with 1.6 (which came out close to a year ago) there hasn't been much reason for developers to write such applications. It should become available for the phone whenever Motorola releases the 2.1 upgrade.

Enjoy the phone. It is actually pretty neat hardware, it is just frustrating that from a software point of view it is pretty locked down. Google Backflip root to find the blog about the root, and there is a way to install non-market apps, but you have to use the developer tools (not the motorola tools, the freely available android tools) to do so, and it can only be done through the computer. The video camera is pretty terrible, but the still camera is one of the best I have seen on a phone.
 
Most appreciated on your points in this one too...Thanks for the info!

As for the second part - After I wiped the card, and plugged it into the flip, Let it get formatted...Nada...
it doesn't seem to want to show about 2/3rds of my ringtones...So I would likely pose a question of - Is there a program that can be downloaded to either my computer, or the phone that I can EASILY and SEAMLESSLY copy and paste my ringtones from the SD card to the main memory on the phone??

I did a lot of "theme developement" on the Blackberry's, Got pretty good at it too...I THOGUTH about trying it with the droid..But it seems that the OS might be a bit more complex than I anticipated...

On the other side, Would any of the TMO 'droids work if they were unlocked and such on the AT&T network?? Because I dont seem to think that any of the other droid products are specifically a GSM phone, They all seem to be CDMA at this point...
Nate
 
I don't know anything about Blackberry. But, if you download a file manager, (astro or something)... you should be able to see your ringtones and what not. If you can see them and they are a supported file type, you can set it as the ringtone through that application. It doesn't really matter what folder they are in. One thing to note... If they are full length music tracks, your version of motoblur is not going to let you set them as a ringtone as there is a limit on the track length. If that is the case, download ringdroid or something similar and cut them down a little bit.

In terms of working android phones on AT&T the only other one that I know works is the Nexus One... but you have to make sure you get the one with AT&T bands, as I believe that is a somewhat recent thing...
 
You'll love the phone, once you learn how to install 3rd party apps and such, its an amazing phone. If you want, i can walk you through on the installation of 3rd party apps and how to tether.
 
3rd party apps you say?? Where does one find a list of the 3rd party apps that are even available??

SO FAR it's running 10000 times better than my Blackberry did...And that's all I really Needed it to do! I'll work on the OS and such later...
Nate
 
In terms of working android phones on AT&T the only other one that I know works is the Nexus One... but you have to make sure you get the one with AT&T bands, as I believe that is a somewhat recent thing...

Agreed - HOWEVER, I'm NOT paying the price that's being asked for the Nexus one...for the price of it, It better do more than just make calls and such...That thing better wipe my butt too! :D