Android 4.4.4 tablet revival

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Hello:

New member here.
Admin: please excuse me if this is not the right place to post this, move it as appropiate.

Recently gifted to me, I am attempting to keep a (practically) unused Logicom L-Element 741G tablet from the landfill.

It has a Rockchip RK 3066 - 1.20 ghZ SOC, 494MB RAM and 5.45 GB internal storage.

I would not have ever purchased (this or any other) one but I don't want it to end up in a bin.
I still use a Palm T|X. 8^)

The tablet's screen and case are in perfect condition, the battery charges, holds power and lasts long enough.

Not bad for a lightly used 6/7 year old economy tablet. A generic replacement battery is available locally in case it is needed and the case can be easily opened as it is not glued together.

CPU-Z 1.43 says this about the OEM Android version:

Code:
SYSTEM
Android version:          4.4.4
API Level:                         19
Bootloader:                     unknown
Build ID:                            F86P_GMS_S_V001
Java VM:                           Dalvik 1.6.0
OpenGL ES:                     2.0
Kernel Architecture:  armv7l
Kernel Version:              3.10.0 (eng.renj.20150424.130400)
Root Access:                    no
GPlay Services:              6.5.99(1642632-038)

Once fully charged and factory reset, I managed to make it much snappier by disabling everything *Google* that I could disable via [Settings] -> [Apps] without observing any adverse effects, at least for the time being. It is incredible just how much useless bloat these things come with.

Eventually I would like to directly uninstall all these googthings and recover as much on-board storage as possible to try to make as it usefull as possible.
eg: wireless access for basic email reading/answering from a couple of accounts, composing texts when travelling, etc. and no web surfing intended.

I have tested web access to my email accounts using the [Fennec Firefox 68.5.0esr] browser from F-Droid with success so it seems that email will work properly but I would rather not use webmail.

As I had stopped/uninstalled the native Android email application, I searched for something light and suitable for the task and found Mail 1.15.278 (Mail-1.15.278.apk) authored by Green Apple Studio and set it up according to the instructions from my mail email provider.

This was with a one time 16 character password/token generated on their [Settings] -> [Privacy & Security] -> [Integrations] page which in turn has to be set in the email client app on the Android appliance.

As far as I am concerned, auto log-in to an email account (???) is not something reasonable, so I will eventually have to get that fixed.

But should the appliance be lost/stolen or become for whatever reason untrusted, all the account owner needs to do is delete the setting on the provider's page and access is gone.

Obviously, this is quite convenient but only if they are aware of the fact.
Otherwise not soon enough ends up being an understatement.

That said, the thing is that it worked well enough but ...
Yes, there's always a but.

I have been able to send emails from the tablet, to my own account and to other accounts without issues.

But I have not been able to read mails in my account.
ie: I can only see emails sent from the tablet because (obviously) they are stored locally.

When I start the email application I can see that the [Inbox] status bar reads [Syncing disabled].
This happend even though [Settings] -> [Data usage] -> [ ***] is set to [Auto.sync data] and the [Settings] -> [Apps] -> [Mail] -> [PERMISSIONS] clearly says:

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This app can access the follwing on your tablet:
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read sync settings
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Unfortunately, I have not found any setting in the application that would toggle any [sync] settings.
Or anywhere else in the [Settings] tab.

Save getting another tablet, I would greatly appreciate any suggestions on how to deal with this.

Thanks in advance.

Best,

JHM
 

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For the mail issue, what kind of email account are you using?

Outlook/Hotmail, Yahoo, or Gmail?

Or is it an ISP based email using a "company.net" type of domain? If this kind, is it an IMAP or POP3 type of account?

The reason I ask is that account types like Outlook require security protocols that older email clients for older Android versions just don't support.
 
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... what kind of email account ...
No, not me.
I do not use Outlook/Hotmail, Yahoo or Gmail.

I have an email account based in AUS which I have had for over 10 years now.
Has POP3/SMTP/IMAP and a lot of other things that I don't use but some people find useful.

My Linux box runs Pegasus Mail (through Wine) with which I access my account/s via POP3/SMTP and IMAP instead of web mail which I have never liked.

Every so often I need to archive stuff so I access the account/s via a browser, but not for regular use.

Thank you for asking.
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JHM
 

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Android 4? You're not going to get many modern apps with that! If you upgrade it to Android 5 or above, you could get a mondern updated browser on it. However, if the thing's slow even under Android 4: Even moving to 5 might be too much for it. Plus, it might not be possible to upgrade the tablet's Android.

Maybe your best bet is to not put too much work into this tablet, and use it as an alarm clock or an e-reader or something. Some lightweight auxiliary use, rather then trying to use this thing as your main tablet.
 

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Hello:

Android 4?
Yep, that's what it says.
No upgrades available as far as I know.
You're not going to get many modern apps ...
Not looking for anything modern, just apps that work.
Especially if they have been purposedly made not to work and can be fixed.

Basically, just want to try and get it to do the most it can in its present condition/state.
I've already changed its demeanor (to call it something) by stopping/uninstalling most of the useless Google crap loaded by default and hard to get rid of.

And if I can root it and actually delete all that stuff, much better yet as I'd get all that RAM back to have useful applications.

But it is one step at a time.

Webmail works properly with the [Fennec Firefox 68.5.0esr] browser.
Not interested in doing more than what I mention in my OP so I do not need a modern browser.
But I'd rather use an email application instead of a browser.

... not be possible to upgrade the tablet's Android.
If there is or ever was an upgrade to Android 5.0/5.11 (Lollipop) available, I have not seen it anywhere.
No idea what the requirements are hardware wise.

... not put too much work into this tablet ...
But I'd miss all the fun, the learning and the street cred ... 8^°
... trying to use this thing as your main tablet.
There is no such thing as a main tablet (or any sort of tablet) for me.
If it wasn't for the fact that it dropped on me out of the blue/as a gift, I would not be doing any of this.
I would not have spent $5 on it.

Thanks for your input.

Best,

JHM
 

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If there is or ever was an upgrade to Android 5.0/5.11 (Lollipop) available, I have not seen it anywhere.
It's possible that there's an Android 5+ custom ROM, but a custom ROM would be an unofficial update, made by a third party and not the manufacturer.
 

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Hello:
... there's an Android 5+ custom ROM ...
I've looked but found nothing.

Most probably because this is a rather basic/inexpensive tablet from some CN OEM for the [Logicom] label, apparently from FR. I had never heard of them before.

There isn't even a firmware download from the web page, where the even specs are wrong (!).
This tablet (not phone) has no camera flash and no SIM, hence no FM radio either.
The downloadable manual is only available in FR.

See here.

A short search got me a couple of rather dodgy videos in Arabic on how to flash the thing.
It was purchased in France in 2016 and Arab countries were probably the intended market.
Used for a couple of months till the original owner got tired of it and left it in a drawer.
Till a week ago.

... custom ROM would be an unofficial update ...
Eventually, I'd like to clean up the OS and carefully weed out all the Google stuff I have disabled.
Plus unnecessary language files, dictionaries, etc.

A decent amount of on-board storage (5.45GB total/4.93GB available) could be recovered by thinning down the OEM image as much as possible and use that, no upgrade to a further Android version.

But not before I know I have dumped the original image, just in case.

Any suggestion as to what utility use for that?

Thank you for your input.

Best,

JHM
 

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Hello:

Quoting myself to make a correction to my OP.

It has a Rockchip RK 3066 - 1.20 ghZ SOC, 494MB RAM and 5.45 GB internal storage.

For some reason, [CPU-Z 1.43] identifies the chip in this tablet as a [Rockchip RK 3066 - 1.20 GHz] which would make it a Dual-Core ARM Cortex-A9, but that is wrong.

The chip is a Quad-Core RK 3126 ARM Cortex-A7 running at up to 1.3GHz .
The rest of the data would seem to be correct.

Best,

JHM
 

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Especially if they have been purposedly made not to work and can be fixed.
That is done by the developer. They can set the minimum API level (Android version) when they initially upload or during an update. And sometimes, there may be good reason to change the API level. Security would be the first thing that I can think of.

I think I found your tablet's specs online: https://www.logicom-europe.com/en/old-products/455-tablette-l-ement-741.html

Is the above correct? If it is....I'd say recycle it. If I am reading the RAM correctly, 512MB? Ouch....there isn't much to work with there. The internal storage isn't all that great either.
 
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Is the above correct? If it is....I'd say recycle it. If I am reading the RAM correctly, 512MB? Ouch....there isn't much to work with there. The internal storage isn't all that great either.
I might just be the forum's biggest advocate of reusing old smartphone/tablets, and even I have my doubts as to how practical it'd be to use this tablet!
 

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I might just be the forum's biggest advocate of reusing old smartphone/tablets, and even I have my doubts as to how practical it'd be to use this tablet!
With those specs in today's phone/tablet , yikes you could buy off brand with decent specs and way newer Android for 100 to 150.00 new or even used .

These types of devices are for phone museum I do collect them for that reason lol
 
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Hello:

... found your tablet's specs online ...:
Yes, that's the link I posted in a previous post.

... recycle it ...
Like I said previously, the idea is not to do that but to see (as a proof of concept if you will) what you can do with it besides sending it to a landfill and learn a bit more about how this Google Android scam works.

For now I can check email via webmail, do text editing, view photos and most probably be able to ssh to my boxes and fibre router wirelessly.

Clock and alarms also work properly and the SD slot takes a (at least) a 32Gb card for music files altough a powered speaker is obviously needed.

... doubts as to how practical it'd be ...
Agreed, but like I mentioned previously:
I would not have paid $5 for this one or any amount for a tablet.

I have always thought they are rather useless and most awkward to use.
So (to me) practical does not relate to these thingies, it is not really an issue.
As always, YMMV.

Not to mention that, along with smartphones and the infamous IoTs, they are all interwoven into the Google metadata harvesting machine.

Thank you both for your input.

Best,

JHM
 

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In other words JHM: This is a fun and educational project for you? You want to see how far this tablet can be pushed? It's not about if it'd be more practical to just get a newer tablet?
 

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how this Google Android scam works
What exactly is the scam?

If it's this:
I managed to make it much snappier by disabling everything *Google* that I could disable via [Settings] -> [Apps] without observing any adverse effects

Or this:
I would like to directly uninstall all these googthings and recover as much on-board storage as possible to try to make as it usefull as possible

Neither of those is Google's fault. That's the OEM of the tablet, giving horrid specs for any Android device.

Would you have said the same thing about Microsoft for a laptop that had only 4 GB of RAM and 64GB of storage (when Windows takes about 30 by itself)? In either case, that isn't on either OS.
Not to mention that, along with smartphones and the infamous IoTs, they are all interwoven into the Google metadata harvesting machine
Or Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, and Amazon. Anything that connects to the web sooner or later deals with a "metadata harvesting machine". The real question is: who do you want to deal with?

All in all, I think you might be surprised at how much of a paperweight an Android is without Google. I tried it for fun...flashing a custom ROM without GApps (Google Apps) It was no picnic. You're basically left with a mobile web browser, and usually a bad one at that.
 

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Hello:

What exactly ...
Let's see ...
In my OP I wrote:

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When I start the email application I can see that the [Inbox] status bar reads [Syncing disabled].
This happend even though [Settings] -> [Data usage] -> [ ***] is set to [Auto.sync data] and the [Settings] -> [Apps] -> [Mail] -> [PERMISSIONS] clearly says:

---
This app can access the follwing on your tablet:
--- snip ---
read sync settings
---
--- snip---
Unfortunately, I have not found any setting in the application that would toggle any [sync] settings.
Or anywhere else in the [Settings] tab.
Nothing about Google, what it does and how it does it.
Or if any of the other corporations doing more or less the same thing are preferable to Google.

I also ended my post with this relevant bit:
Save getting another tablet, I would greatly appreciate any suggestions on how to deal with this.
--- snip ---

... surprised at how much of a paperweight an Android is ...
No, not at all surprised.
And have commented on that, albeit tangentially.

That said, thank you very much to all those who posted on this thread.

Should I find a solution, I will return and post it here should anyone need that data to solve a similar [Syncing disabled] problem.

Best,

JHM
 

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Nothing about Google, what it does and how it does it.
You claimed a scam. Not in your original post, but a subsequent one. Post #14

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"learn a bit more about how this Google Android scam works".
No, not at all surprised.
And have commented on that, albeit tangentially.
Missing context here. I was referring to a smartphone that DOESN'T have Google Apps installed.

For anyone reading this thread, this is what I said:
All in all, I think you might be surprised at how much of a paperweight an Android is without Google. I tried it for fun...flashing a custom ROM without GApps (Google Apps) It was no picnic. You're basically left with a mobile web browser, and usually a bad one at that.

As for this:
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Sometimes there is nothing you can do. The tablet in your possession is basically a dumpster fire and was the moment it was released.
 
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Sometimes there is nothing you can do. The tablet in your possession is basically a dumpster fire and was the moment it was released.
Let's be fair: This is the OP's fun little project. As I understand it: He wants to push this tablet and see what it can do. If it can't be pushed far, so be it. Let's just see how far we can push it.
 

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