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Maybe next time Google will do some of its own basic development, instead of shamelessly ripping off someone else's work.
 
neonworm said:
Can you expand upon that please?
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Sure.

A quote regarding this patent from a circuit court judge on this patent. Emphasis mine.

"The Smartphone has defined modern life. Be it in the workplace, the home, airports, or entertainment venues across America, individuals are tethered to their handheld devices. Not long ago, users primarily spoke into these devices. Today, fingers tapping, grazing, pinching, or scrolling the screen is a ubiquitous image that reflects how we conduct business, work, play, and live. The asserted patent in this case is an invention that has propelled not just technology, but also dramatically altered how humans across the globe interact and communicate.It marks true innovation ."
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http://www.laipla.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/AppleDissent.pdf

A judge with no axe to grind on either side calls Apple's work 'true innovation'. I am sure the haters are going to come up with all kinds of rationale and excuses about how Apple didn't innovate and do not deserve to have their work patented. But the fact is that we live in a society where there are protections from having your work stolen. And the system has spoken. Google/Android stole this work. Now hopefully they will pay for their IP theft. And do their own work next time.
 
Lstream said:
Sure.

A quote regarding this patent from a circuit court judge on this patent. Emphasis mine.



http://www.laipla.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/AppleDissent.pdf

A judge with no axe to grind on either side calls Apple's work 'true innovation'. I am sure the haters are going to come up with all kinds of rationale and excuses about how Apple didn't innovate and do not deserve to have their work patented. But the fact is that we live in a society where there are protections from having your work stolen. And the system has spoken. Google/Android stole this work. Now hopefully they will pay for their IP theft. And do their own work next time.
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Apple steals a lot more than Google does
 
Lstream said:
Then prove it with fact, and not biased opinion. Google is a shameless IP thief. As is Samsung. They have been caught red handed. More in the following link.

FOSS Patents: U.S. patent office confirmed all 20 claims of the Steve Jobs patent: bad for Samsung, Google
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iOS 7 is the most blatant ripoff ever. Lockscreen looks like WP8. Multi-tasking cards are from WebOS. The quick toggles in the swipe up menu is from Android.
Steve Jobs said "Good artists copy, great artists steal" or something along those lines
 
Apple didn't invent the touch screen, they just modified it -_0

- Android Central App. Remember courage is contagious.
 
UJ95x said:
iOS 7 is the most blatant ripoff ever. Lockscreen looks like WP8. Multi-tasking cards are from WebOS. The quick toggles in the swipe up menu is from Android.
Steve Jobs said "Good artists copy, great artists steal" or something along those lines
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If those features are patented, and Google can prove infringement and if your interpretation is actually correct, then Google deserves to have its work protected. But your opinion is not a basis for such protection. Patents and IP protection are that basis. Put some facts that matter on the table. I am betting you can't. Steve Job's stating that line is not proof of IP theft. Patent authorities and courts decide that, not you. And they do it with rigour - not flimsy opinion.
 
Fairclough said:
Apple didn't invent the touch screen, they just modified it -_0

- Android Central App. Remember courage is contagious.
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Irrelevant. This is about multitouch and not touch screens. And the patent office has decided twice now, that Apple's multitouch is a valid invention.
 
Lstream said:
If those features are patented, and Google can prove infringement and if your interpretation is actually correct, then Google deserves to have its work protected. But your opinion is not a basis for such protection. Patents and IP protection are that basis. Put some facts that matter on the table. I am betting you can't. Steve Job's stating that line is not proof of IP theft. Patent authorities and courts decide that, not you. And they do it with rigour - not flimsy opinion.
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I never accused them of IP theft. Just because it wasn't patented doesn't mean it wasn't copied. If I was never found guilty of killing somebody, does that mean I didn't actually kill somebody? Why are you here if you're so Anti-Android and Pro-Apple?

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Did Apple invent magnetic cables?
Nope - but they were the first to patent it, it was present in China in lamps decades prior. Odd hey.
 
UJ95x said:
iOS 7 is the most blatant ripoff ever. Lockscreen looks like WP8. Multi-tasking cards are from WebOS. The quick toggles in the swipe up menu is from Android.
Steve Jobs said "Good artists copy, great artists steal" or something along those lines
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I'm trying very hard not to be an Apple Fanboy anymore. But ignorant replies toward Apple's good fortunes are making it so difficult not to step in. So here it is:
1. You are not smarter than a patent office, you are not smarter than the Judge. Both of the parties had their best Lawyers, both parties had plenty of time to support their evidence. Also, every manufacturer puts millions to billions in R&D costs for every little thing we take for granted... Apple is in business, so is Google, so is Microsoft, etc. Microsoft "bartered" with Apple to use their development - so even though MS is using Apples patents - they are not going to be affected. Do you know why Android/Google is in trouble - because they did not pay the piper. If Apple wanted to use a certain feature that is patented by another entity, they would buy the entity or pay for rights - we see this everytime - "Apple buys Authentec, apple aquired Siri, and recently Apple bought CUE (it's a Google Now kind of App" etc. Google is in business too, they manufacture a FREEWARE OS to use as an Ad-based revenue - and anyone welcome to use it. I'm pretty sure Google holds millions of patents that Apple does not infringe on and thats why you dont see Google vs Apple but vise-versa.

That being said, Apple has been denied so many claims so you cant say they are somehow cheating in these patent matters.

I'm not happy that the company that builds my favorite gadgets is so "Sue Happy" (it feels tacky), but I'll leave it to the big boys to tackle that aspect - for which you and I know so little about. I believe that if all companies share their R&D, we would be walking on air today, and teleporting to china for lunch. But it's a cruel busnessworld, and it's eat or be eaten.

AND FOR THE FREAKEN LAST TIME READ THIS AND REMEMBER:
"Good artists copy, great artists steal" - Steve did not quote some renaissance poet or artists or whatever, just to give you something to troll with. HERE IS WHAT IT MEANS:

While good artists will copy a "mona lisa" painting (for example) just to gain popularity; a Great artist will make a creation to STEAL popularity. You can mimic something great all you want, but it's the one that made something great that is a GREAT ARTIST. He's saying that the competition is a "Good Artist" and that Apple is the one "Stealing" all the ATTENTION. Geez, at least do a bit of research to understand what the quote means before firing it off improperly.

Now, being that I'm trying not to be a FanBoy anymore, I'll tell you this: Apple is shooting it's own foot with restricting one thing or the other. The reason why Android gained so much traction in the beginning is because Apple gave AT&T exclusivity for the original iPhone, leaving a bigger carrier, Verizon, with angry customers. When an alternative surfaced, those angry customers have found a hero to go against the one that devoid them of their happiness, thus creating an anti-apple croud. By the time the fans of iPhone realized they had a mob on their hands - there were already called an iSheep, and their favorite gadget ridiculed from button to battery. By the time Apple realized they could have gained more (possible the world) if they only let everyone on the iPhone - it was too late, android has caught attention. I've also noticed a trend with the lawsuits between Apple and Rivals - whenever rivals loose a patent debacle, and are forced to come up with their own way to accomplish a task (simple or complicated) they (Google or Samsung) develop incredibly interesting things that (DO NOT infringe on any patents) and are sometimes are better then Apple's implementation.

But please, spread the world, the anti-apple crowd seems so foolish using the "Good artists copy, great artists steal" quote.

And because I'll most likely be insulted with an iSheep or something like that, I'll point out in advance: I like iDevices because they do bundle up the best of all tech ideas (apples or google) and omit all the useless clutter (Bloat, SmartPause, 350+dpi, and Ghz benchmarks), and package it into a pretty box (bring on glass and aluminum), and then support it till I get tired of the damn thing (typing this on a perfectly working iPhone 3GS that I owned for 4.5 years with the last update released less then 2 months ago). For the reasons above, I also like MotoX. My reasons aren't what you might like, but I dont hate you, I just dont like the device you chose.
 
This is ridiculous. Everyone is copying each other to be honest. It is just the modifications that have been done to make their products stand out.

Think about it. Motorola was considered to be the first mobile phone maker with its dynatac (Lol). Why didn't Motorola sue every cell phone maker because they stole Motorola's idea of a mobile phone? Also, why didn't Cugnot sue Ford and Mercedes because Cugnot created the first car (at least to the world)?

Really, this patent is honestly dumb. Whoever come up with this.... No comment on that.

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tastycaramel said:
This is ridiculous. Everyone is copying each other to be honest. It is just the modifications that have been done to make their products stand out.

Think about it. Motorola was considered to be the first mobile phone maker with its dynatac (Lol). Why didn't Motorola sue every cell phone maker because they stole Motorola's idea of a mobile phone? Also, why didn't Cugnot sue Ford and Mercedes because Cugnot created the first car (at least to the world)?

Really, this patent is honestly dumb. Whoever come up with this.... No comment on that.

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You're right on many points, if not all. But lets put it simply. If you build a house, and you put lots of money and hard work into it, even risked loosing everything you put into it, if the framing that support it wasnt working right - so you invest extra to make sure it's going to do it's job right, spend more time tweaking all the bugs out, perfecting it, just so you can profit from it when you sell it - saying that these walls are so good, they're better then the guy next door because I did this and that to them. People like it, and now you got customers, the guy next door wants to sell his house, but people like your walls better - your neighbor quietly takes your walls and puts it in his house, just like that, no research, no risk, no loss, no tiresome nights, boom, you work hard and now he has your walls. You can continue to build your house your new and improved way, but you're not benefiting from it as much, you're loosing your ability to reap the reward that's truly yours. Would you be ok with that? If so, why dont you just give the work you did at your job to your co-worker, and let him get paid for it....
 
Alik Malix said:
You're right on many points, if not all. But lets put it simply. If you build a house, and you put lots of money and hard work into it, even risked loosing everything you put into it, if the framing that support it wasnt working right - so you invest extra to make sure it's going to do it's job right, spend more time tweaking all the bugs out, perfecting it, just so you can profit from it when you sell it - saying that these walls are so good, they're better then the guy next door because I did this and that to them. People like it, and now you got customers, the guy next door wants to sell his house, but people like your walls better - your neighbor quietly takes your walls and puts it in his house, just like that, no research, no risk, no loss, no tiresome nights, boom, you work hard and now he has your walls. You can continue to build your house your new and improved way, but you're not benefiting from it as much, you're loosing your ability to reap the reward that's truly yours. Would you be ok with that? If so, why dont you just give the work you did at your job to your co-worker, and let him get paid for it....
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You are not wrong too. That is called bluntly copying, and you can be sued for it. Bluntly copying/stealing and borrowing a concept is two different things. Its like saying Apple must sue every smartphone maker, because companies used iPhone as a benchmark. Like what I have said, everyone steal ideas from everyone. It is just how you sort of "paraphrase" the concept that makes yours your own instead of something that is just copy and paste.

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UJ95x said:
Why are you here if you're so Anti-Android and Pro-Apple?
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I was almost certain that this sentiment was coming. Thank you for confirming my initial impression after reading your posts on this topic. My issue is not Android vs Apple. It is IP theft. I have founded a tech company and I know how difficult and expensive it is do something original. I also watch as it has become acceptable in the eyes of many people to download pirated music and movies, and feel that it is perfectly acceptable that the original artist gets nothing.

I have a real problem with IP thieves and Google is at the top of that list. Here you have an incredibly wealthy corporation who somehow think it is acceptable behaviour to blatantly copy and steal the IP of others. Want another example? Read the following on a lawsuit brought by the Authors Guild for copying books without the author's permission. Where do they get off on thinking this behaviour is right?

Google Seeks Protection to Copy Books Without Permission - Bloomberg

Apple changed the phone business with the launch of the original iPhone. It paved the way for the game changing shift in what we all do with mobile devices today. If Google had been the company that launched the iPhone equivalent and Apple had subsequently ignored valid IP protection and ripped Google off, then I would be slamming Apple now for IP theft.

As already pointed out, Microsoft has also launched phones that build on the groundbreaking work of the iPhone, but they have done the right thing and reached agreement with Apple on IP issues. But Google chooses to ignore common business practice and refuses to respect the valid IP rights of others. For that I think they deserve to be punished.

And your theme of "feature copying" is simply not relevant to the argument. What Google has done goes well beyond that. And no amount of protesting from you or others can change that FACT. A higher authority than any of us has now spoken. Google (and Samsung for that matter) are IP thieves. I look forward to seeing them pay, and hope this results in attempting to do their own work the next time.
 
Lstream said:
I was almost certain that this sentiment was coming. Thank you for confirming my initial impression after reading your posts on this topic. My issue is not Android vs Apple. It is IP theft. I have founded a tech company and I know how difficult and expensive it is do something original. I also watch as it has become acceptable in the eyes of many people to download pirated music and movies, and feel that it is perfectly acceptable that the original artist gets nothing.

I have a real problem with IP thieves and Google is at the top of that list. Here you have an incredibly wealthy corporation who somehow think it is acceptable behaviour to blatantly copy and steal the IP of others. Want another example? Read the following on a lawsuit brought by the Authors Guild for copying books without the author's permission. Where do they get off on thinking this behaviour is right?

Google Seeks Protection to Copy Books Without Permission - Bloomberg

Apple changed the phone business with the launch of the original iPhone. It paved the way for the game changing shift in what we all do with mobile devices today. If Google had been the company that launched the iPhone equivalent and Apple had subsequently ignored valid IP protection and ripped Google off, then I would be slamming Apple now for IP theft.

As already pointed out, Microsoft has also launched phones that build on the groundbreaking work of the iPhone, but they have done the right thing and reached agreement with Apple on IP issues. But Google chooses to ignore common business practice and refuses to respect the valid IP rights of others. For that I think they deserve to be punished.

And your theme of "feature copying" is simply not relevant to the argument. What Google has done goes well beyond that. And no amount of protesting from you or others can change that FACT. A higher authority than any of us has now spoken. Google (and Samsung for that matter) are IP thieves. I look forward to seeing them pay, and hope this results in attempting to do their own work the next time.
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I never said it was right for Google or Samsung to commit IP theft or to steal ideas from Apple and infringing patents, but it's also not right for Apple to be patenting every little thing and suing people over it. If it weren't for Samsung, Apple wouldn't be able to sell nearly as many iPhones as they do because they can't mass produce their chips. They're suing every ******* company in the world because their "icons are square" or because "the phone has rounded edges," what are they supposed to make their phones like then? It's a simple design that everyone should be able to use. You don't see guitar manufacturers suing others because they are using strings to produce sound or a golf ball manufacturing company suing others because their ball has dimples in it. They're making enough money, why are they suing people? They don't need more
 
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