How I learned to stop worrying and love the G4

metallifan33

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Forgive me if the thread title has been used before ;) .. but it's one of my favorite movies.

Thought I'd share my experience in case anyone else is in the same boat (It's a bit long, but I'm bored, so here goes):

Background: I owned an iPhone years ago and tried to make the jump to Android but was always turned off by the lag I noticed in Android phones compared with iOS. As time passed by and Android phones got better, I made the jump with the Galaxy line (S2, S3, S4,) I liked them but after a few months of use, the lag got pretty bad. When I finally tried an HTC phone (M7 and then M8), I loved the software so much better than touchwiz. It just seemed much smoother to me. I loved everything about the M8 except for the camera. As a previous iPhone user, I was pretty spoiled by good cameras but I thought it was worth the sacrifice. That was until recently....

Buying the G4: In February of this year, I had my first child. I actually bought a DSLR camera (Canon 70D in case anyone is interested) and loved it. I thought I'd be OK with the Canon DSLR and the M8, but alas, I was not. Inevitably, I found myself in situations that I needed my camera phone. After I took this picture (our first picture as a family), I realized how much I need a new camera phone.

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So the search began. Back then the G4 was not released and I decided I would not go with Samsung because I couldn't stand using a physical home button... that and I hated Samsung software (I use Nova but didn't like the way it ran on the S4). I decided to go with the iPhone 6+. Well, that lasted 2 months and I was cursing Apple so I went back to the M8 and waited for the G4). I decided against the M9 because of the camera reviews.

When I got the G4, I loved the screen size. The size and aspect ratio are perfect for me. I've never liked a phone design as much as I like the G4. I'm always paranoid about buying a piece of electronics that might have a defect, so when I buy a phone I obsessively check everything to see if I can find anything wrong before the return period is up. The first day I had it, I noticed the missed taps. Then there were missed swipes. Then a bit of lag. This surprised me because the reviewers all had nothing but praises for the phone. I began to worry I had a bad unit but then noticed many people on the forums having the same problem. Then the youTube videos of the issues came out and I was convinced it was design (software or hardware). I mulled over the decision for a long time and then decided I'd take the phone back because "I"m a software guy" and "my phone needs to be smooth first and foremost". I found out that LG software has never been "that good" and the G4 was the best they've had so far (this was discussed on the Android Central Podcast as well... reference Jerry's comments). So it all made sense. I ended up returning the phone and was back on my M8. The change in the software was so noticeable that I loved the M8 all over again.

I researched the Nexus 6, thinking about making the jump to AOSP (I hate carrier bloatware and there is no manufacturer UX that I like/use). The only thing about the N6 was the screen was too big. Then I found out that it didn't have an LED light (which I love). Then I read that people didn't like the camera software.

I thought about it some more and finally thought: when my daughter is older and I look back, am I going to be happy with great pictures or 10 - 12 months of "good phone software"? The more I thought about it in that perspective, the more I realized I that in the end, what I really wanted was a good camera. That, and I kept trying to push buttons on the back of the M8. Damn, why doesn't every phone have buttons on the back? Once I used them, I don't want anything else :)

Anyway, I went back and picked up another G4. But this time around, I didn't obsess over the missed taps, swipes, and lag (they were all there, the same as the first phone and the same as most people report in the forums). This time around, I took pictures of my daughter every time I came across a moment I wanted to capture and I'm really happy with the pictures and the fact that when I need a good camera, the G4 is there. I got a 128 gig SD card (something you can't do on N6). Just like with my Canon, I save the pictures in RAW and adjust the exposure/white balance/whatever else I want on the pictures in Adobe Lightroom. The missed taps don't seem so bad now... the hardest thing about this was typing a password that was encrypted (so I couldn't see the letters on screen) and missing a letter, not knowing it, and getting the password wrong. Now I turned on the tapping sounds so I know if I don't hear a sound, it missed a tap. That helps.
Anyway, I love the screen size, the buttons on the back, the screen quality and dimensions, and most of all the camera. I can deal with "janky software" (as Jerry put it). A few years down the road, I'm sure I'll forget all about the missed taps, but I'll have some great photos.
 
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Yeah I was stressing out about the G4 during the 14 day return period also. I seem to do this with every big purchase. I had the G3 which I loved, and some of the changes on the G4 I wasn't happy with. Namely the larger bezels and the sharper corners. After spending some time with the camera I started realizing what it is capable of and I could actually leave my dslr at home when I go to family functions. Also like you said 5.5 screen size is a must and back buttons are a must, coming from G2 and G3. It's just a matter of realizing what's more important to you because no smartphone is 100% perfect.

Beautiful family. Keep taking pictures!

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Very well put! This story sounds familiar somehow...

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Lol yeah. You read my post when I initially made my decision but had not got the phone yet. I picked it up the next day. One thing I really do like about this phone is the screen size really does make typing a lot easier. The M8 was narrow and I've noticed that for my hand size, it really does make typing on this screen easier.
 

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Inadvertently learned to stop obsessing as well since I look every single flaw, cosmetically and functionally. But for me I did it for a different reason, I think the phone is good, not amazing, but good, I have also come to terms with I want a 5.5! Inch screen, also I have decided that I will most likely jump to the next major flagship that ticks the right boxes.

I went back and forth between this and the s6, in the end I chose the G4, the reviews were glowing for the most part, but I gotta say, they have been a bit misleading, I like you have missed taps, keyboard issues (using Google) and lag which seems quite random.

I think the issue is the reviews are de bloated international phones from LG mostly, then carriers get their hands on these phones and bastardized them and ship the units we flood to the forums to complain about lol.

Cheers


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I think the issue is the reviews are de bloated international phones from LG mostly, then carriers get their hands on these phones and bastardized them and ship the units we flood to the forums to complain about lol.

I think you've hit the nail on the head there. I'm in the UK where the networks tend not to meddle with devices too much. Most of the problems that some US users have with carrier-locked phones don't seem to occur here, so we have to look on from afar as those users struggle to keep their bloated and disabled devices working properly. :(

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metallifan33 - I can relate to the whole obsessing about flaws thing (I think the Internet has made my OCD tendencies 1000 X worse). Glad to hear you found a phone you're happy with! Great family selfie, btw ;-).Obviously, you can't get a great photo of something if you don't have your camera with you at that moment, and I can see always having to have that big 70D with you isn't practical. I don't always like to have to remember to take my little ELPH with me, but I always have my phone in my pocket...unfortunately, it's a Samsung Convoy that takes pretty poor shots 50% of the time, and missed a few really cool moments with really off photos :-\. This is why I've been stalking the G4, but trying to make sure I know it well before I take the plunge on that 14 day return period.

Now that you've had it, some camera questions...

How accurate is the white balance, or do you shoot everything in RAW? I hear (and see) some complaints about a yellowish/greenish cast, especially with flash.

How's the lag? Kids and lag are mortal enemies.

How well does Full Auto work in not so perfect light? Another area I hear a few complaints about, compared to the S6.

Have you tried the Video camera much? Another issue I read about was the funky OIS creating bad effects on videos.

Thanks for your input!
 

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First off, excellent thread title :)To paraphrase, "We must protect our precious battery fluids."

Secondly, I think you make a lot of good points. I got my first G4 on the day that Verizon released them. I returned it in the 14-day return window, due to it frequently running warm (seemingly at random), and battery-life concerns. I'm not an early-adopter type of person, but I rolled the dice, and was concerned by what I was seeing. It's a phone I will almost certainly keep for 2 years, so I want to make sure it's good.

But I bought a second one last weekend. I'm going to give it another shot, incorporating some of the suggestions people have made for improving battery life. I'm hoping I can get it to a condition where I get enough battery life for what I want. The most basic requirement being to make it through a day on one charge.

However, now I do also have my spare battery from LG, which helps put my mind at ease. Even if I can't charge enough during the day, I know that in a minute, I can swap over and be back to 100% battery. I don't want to constantly be carrying a spare battery around by pure necessity, but it's a good option to have for days when I expect I may be using the phone heavily.

I am trying to avoid worrying *too* much about the battery issues. I will do what I can to maximize my battery life. I'm hoping that will be enough for what I typically need. And I can swap batteries if it comes to that. Hopefully with time, people will figure out ways to get more battery life from the phone.
 

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metallifan33 - I can relate to the whole obsessing about flaws thing (I think the Internet has made my OCD tendencies 1000 X worse). Glad to hear you found a phone you're happy with! Great family selfie, btw ;-).Obviously, you can't get a great photo of something if you don't have your camera with you at that moment, and I can see always having to have that big 70D with you isn't practical. I don't always like to have to remember to take my little ELPH with me, but I always have my phone in my pocket...unfortunately, it's a Samsung Convoy that takes pretty poor shots 50% of the time, and missed a few really cool moments with really off photos :-\. This is why I've been stalking the G4, but trying to make sure I know it well before I take the plunge on that 14 day return period.

Now that you've had it, some camera questions...

How accurate is the white balance, or do you shoot everything in RAW? I hear (and see) some complaints about a yellowish/greenish cast, especially with flash.

How's the lag? Kids and lag are mortal enemies.

How well does Full Auto work in not so perfect light? Another area I hear a few complaints about, compared to the S6.

Have you tried the Video camera much? Another issue I read about was the funky OIS creating bad effects on videos.

Thanks for your input!

S6 vs G4 video - take your choice

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7nWv62m0l_9NmZMTkZjVC1aZ28/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7nWv62m0l_9cFRkWWZSZUZZeGs/view?usp=sharing

Which is which?
 

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The best camera is the one you have with you. And I'm prepared to have the G4's camera at the expense of lag, lack of easy root... My priority is the same as yours: great pics of my new baby.

From a new dad to another... Congratulations on your new arrival. You guys make a most beautiful family.

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I worried quite a lot about my G4 before it arrived due to all the forum threads about touchscreen issues, lag, overheating, camera issues, etc.

When it arrived and after initial setup and installing my apps, those worries vanished.

It's an awesome phone and it's just what I need for my usage pattern.

Glad you're enjoying the G4! And you have a really nice family. ;)
 

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