Is this not a lame article?

[carme4]

http://phandroid.com/2016/12/20/samsung-galaxy-note-7-users/

 

[Jeremiah Bonds]

They waited til the Pixel past it before they wrote the article. haha

 

[Mike Dee]

Not even worth the read

 

[Ry]

http://phandroid.com/2016/12/20/samsung-galaxy-note-7-users/

Why would that article be lame?

 

[MikeyBugs95]

So they compare a phone with little to no publicity and a phone that, while having huge publicity, is still very new to a phone that was released earlier this year, had even greater publicity, and is a part of a series of flagships known world over?

 

[ajb1965]

All this says to me is that there is still a large population of idiots using a phone that will be a nice Gorilla Glass paperweight after Christmas.....

 

[Mike Dee]

All this says to me is that there is still a large population of idiots using a phone that will be a nice Gorilla Glass paperweight after Christmas.....

I can't imagine hanging on to a phone that was recalled due to a safety issue no matter how low the risk may or may not be. I sincerely hope no one loses their car, home or that someone doesn't burn to death because somebody selfishly hangs on to a phone.

 

[Ry]

So they compare a phone with little to no publicity and a phone that, while having huge publicity, is still very new to a phone that was released earlier this year, had even greater publicity, and is a part of a series of flagships known world over?

you mean a niche phone, right?

 

[Jeremiah Bonds]

They'll have an expensive paperweight come January.

 

[MikeyBugs95]

Ah, yes. Thank you.

 

[juliesdroidsync]

<sigh...>Is it lame? I guess it depends on what your takeaway is from it.

It seems to make several points as others have stated. Still quite a few Note 7 users; more than I thought... A lot fewer v20 users than I would have guessed, too... regardless of reasons, that was interesting.

However, IMO, it's a SAD article...

Why? IMO, it's sad because I believe most Note 7 holdouts are just trying to hang on long enough for a decent replacement phone... since many think other current offerings are... shall we say, "lacking" in too many respects. 2016 was maybe not the best year for phones in the USA.

Personally, I tried 2 of the v20's... I tried so hard to love them - one unlocked, and one Verizon. just. couldn't. love. them. (in great part having to deal with Big Red no matter what - a topic for other posts.) I think they have great potential; just not this go 'round. I DO very much miss the music on the v20, for example. Stick a stylus on it, make it waterproof, address my grievances w/ Verizon about it, and I'll buy one next time. Pixel XL? Ummm... Nope.

I even emailed Huawei (sp?) about the Porsche Design Mate 9. I said <paraphrasing here> Guys! Huge gaping vacuum in the US Market, have you not heard??? People here will gladly give you $1500 for a phone if you just give them something they want!

They emailed back and said they "just didn't know about the US Market yet..." and if they did, "maybe not a CDMA version..." and "maybe sometime after the first of the year..." Geez...

So I have tried, like many others... really. I just refuse to settle for less, which is a main issue with the majority of holdouts.

Considering I have a much higher chance of being a threat to my family or the public at large with the wiring in my old house, making toast in my kitchen, or even getting into a car to go to the grocery store, I'll try not to feel too guilty about being a menace to society as I hold on to my Note 7 for a few more weeks; hoping and praying for the early release of an S8... or anything else...

if I have a change of heart and decide that using my washing machine (one of which IS actually a Samsung!) or blowdrying my hair is really too much of a risk to the general populace, I do have some really good Amish & Mennonite friends that I sometimes think I'll go live with!

As far as being bricked in January; we shall see... they're going to have to disable some other way than an OTA update; as it is my understanding that it is easy enough to block updates and most holdouts have already done this, although we can't discuss that here.

Anyway, I got a Note 5 for backup if worse comes to worse... I believe that I can speak for many Note 7 holdouts when I say we want this to be over quickly, too.

Just someone, PLEASE, for the love of Sweet Baby Jesus, give us a really good alternative. As you can see by this "lame article", many apparently don't believe there is one at this point.

Not trying to be argumentative, really, just sharing my takeaway from the article.

 

[talon1189]

You unfortunately have no choice other that stay with Verizon due to where you live. I feel bad that there are no other options for you. Your reliable Note 5 should hold you over until another newer quality phone fits your own needs including an "FM radio". Keep fighting for what you believe in. Good luck and have a Merry Christmas. Maybe Santa will bring you a very late gift of a new Note 8 or better earlier than expected in 2017

 

[Jerry Hildenbrand]

1. Quentin is awesome. I was lucky enough to drink some weird california yogurt beer at an art gallery in San Francisco for a couple hours with him 2 or 3 Google I/O's ago. On a side note, the only time coors light ever tasted good was when it was washing the taste of that weird beer out of my mouth

2. Quentin has a job. It's not fixing cars, or designing office buildings, or baking the perfect quiche. It's writing words that the company he works for will make money from. He's smart as a whip and creative to boot. He very likely gets to write about the things he wants to write about the majority of the time. they will be great for his boss because they'll be thoughtful articles that engage the people who are interested.

3. But his boss also needs to be visible to those who aren't daily readers. They need to position themselves where their content is visible and that often requires another type of editor's input. Are some of the things he writes clickbait? probably. I know some of the things I write are clickbait. Everyone who does this for a living writes post that are baiting in people from social media and search.

4. When that happens, we try to write the best damn clickbait you're going to read that day.

I don't know how Q feels about the subject there. But I know that the analytics company had this data. This data is something people (like us, because that's what we're doing) will want to talk about. He wrote that beautifully. He stuck to the data and never once said it was true or what it meant, instead he asked you what you thought it meant. Looking back, I wish I had written it instead of letting it slide. I would have tried to write it just like that.

Wouldn't you rather have a post you think is lame or clickbaity to come from someone who does it right instead of some rss scraper blog writing 100 words in a big long list?

tl;dr — the writer never wants to write clickbait. Sometimes his boss requires it. The writer will do his or her best to present it as thoroughly as possible.

 

[pkcable]

Well said Jerry!

 

[Aquila]

I guess it would only be a lame article if you presume that the V20 deserves something.

 

[pkcable]

I guess it would only be a lame article if you presume that the V20 deserves something.

Well I know the v20 is a bit better, BUT my brother as a V10 owner will NEVER buy LG again that's how bad his experience was, lol.

 

[Mike Dee]

I guess it would only be a lame article if you presume that the V20 deserves something.

You lost me on that one.... What would anyone presume the V20 deserves in relation to the depth of the article?

 

[Aquila]

You lost me on that one.... What would anyone presume the V20 deserves in relation to the depth of the article?

If you feel that the V20 deserves to outsell anything else, or deserves to have its sales weakness covered up or that anything that mentions the V20 in less than glowing terms is "lame". You don't find this article, which is clearly focused on the Note 7 - including it's url address - and then plop it into the V20 section, calling it "lame" and with no other explanation or analysis unless one of two things is happening. 1) You didn't read the entire article or 2) You're looking for sensationalism and muckery rather than any sort of sincere discussion. It's possible both things are happening.

The OP didn't mention what device he was talking about in the thread title, made no comments or analysis whatsoever and calls it "lame" without a single word of explanation. They also haven't returned to offer any support for their position or to dispute any of the refutations of their assumed position - which is likely that they don't enjoy having a negative light shown on the V20 - otherwise this thread would be where it belongs, in the Note 7 section with a title that says, "Apteligent indicates there are still more Note 7's in use than other recently launched devices" or something to that effect, and some comments would be in the first post indicating that the OP had read the article and wanted to discuss aspects of it.

Being frustrated that someone pointed out the low sales volumes of the V20 doesn't make sense unless you start with the assumption that it's going to be a huge seller. Everyone already knew that the V20 was barely going to move units, no matter how good of a job LG can do in the design, execution and marketing.

Here's an example of reading the article and providing some of your own thoughts:

Aside from that, the data is obviously completely bunk unless we are to believe that there are less than 100k LG V20's out in the wild... that's an impossibly low figure. We also know that the Pixel/Pixel XL combination has already outsold the Note 7 lineup, making their position on this chart stand out as fishingly small and there's no way on earth that the Sony Xperia XZ sold anything near or ever will sell as many as the week 1 sales of the Note 7. We also know that the Note 7 curve doesn't look that way because of the numbers given about returns between recall periods - a blip that doesn't even register on the chart. We also know that in the US there are, as of many weeks ago, less than 50k devices in use - and we can extrapolate that to mean there are likely less than 200k on the planet. This chart would have us believe that the V20 and OP3T have less than 200k devices in use combined. Obviously bad data.

Long story short, this is either a chart made using unintentional sampling bias or major errors in sampling. It definitely is not a comprehensive review of devices connected to the global internet.

 

[Mike Dee]

If you feel that the V20 deserves to outsell anything else, or deserves to have its sales weakness covered up or that anything that mentions the V20 in less than glowing terms is "lame". You don't find this article, which is clearly focused on the Note 7 - including it's url address - and then plop it into the V20 section, calling it "lame" and with no other explanation or analysis unless one of two things is happening. 1) You didn't read the entire article or 2) You're looking for sensationalism and muckery rather than any sort of sincere discussion. It's possible both things are happening.

The OP didn't mention what device he was talking about in the thread title, made no comments or analysis whatsoever and calls it "lame" without a single word of explanation. They also haven't returned to offer any support for their position or to dispute any of the refutations of their assumed position - which is likely that they don't enjoy having a negative light shown on the V20 - otherwise this thread would be where it belongs, in the Note 7 section with a title that says, "Apteligent indicates there are still more Note 7's in use than other recently launched devices" or something to that effect, and some comments would be in the first post indicating that the OP had read the article and wanted to discuss aspects of it.

Being frustrated that someone pointed out the low sales volumes of the V20 doesn't make sense unless you start with the assumption that it's going to be a huge seller. Everyone already knew that the V20 was barely going to move units, no matter how good of a job LG can do in the design, execution and marketing.

Here's an example of reading the article and providing some of your own thoughts:

Aside from that, the data is obviously completely bunk unless we are to believe that there are less than 100k LG V20's out in the wild... that's an impossibly low figure. We also know that the Pixel/Pixel XL combination has already outsold the Note 7 lineup, making their position on this chart stand out as fishingly small and there's no way on earth that the Sony Xperia XZ sold anything near or ever will sell as many as the week 1 sales of the Note 7. We also know that the Note 7 curve doesn't look that way because of the numbers given about returns between recall periods - a blip that doesn't even register on the chart. We also know that in the US there are, as of many weeks ago, less than 50k devices in use - and we can extrapolate that to mean there are likely less than 200k on the planet. This chart would have us believe that the V20 and OP3T have less than 200k devices in use combined. Obviously bad data.

Long story short, this is either a chart made using unintentional sampling bias or major errors in sampling. It definitely is not a comprehensive review of devices connected to the global internet.

I agree that the OP didn't offer much except to post a thread. Yes the data leaves a lot to be desired. Statistics can often be presented in a way to prevert whatever point you are trying to make.

 

[carme4]

OP here. Life happened. Suddenly Christmas, shopping, wrapping, cooking, traveling, and out of town guests took over my weary mind and body and I haven't been back on the forums. I guess I was just plain feeling "defensive" towards the V20 and found the article not very accurate in my opinion but then what do I know? I'm 60! I'm now learning how to control my Amazon Echo and Dot! Happy New Year!