Nexus 7 vs Gtab 7.7 ... Returning the Nexus.

[Jaymil]

For starters I've had my Galaxy tab 7.7 for a few months now and was not happy with it on honeycomb. Kind of a coincidence that a stable working CM9 rom pops up the day before I get ahold of a nexus and then the official ICS drops the same day lol.

Anyway I was hoping that the Nexus would have a nice enough screen to move on from the 7.7. It didn't. Not even close in my opinion. Also the lack of SD card bugs me as does the excess bezel.

Now that the 7.7 has ICS it's a fairer fight and I don't see the tegra 3 in the nexus being all that much better than the dual core Exynos in the 7.7. Jellybean make a difference but I really think the Nexus is inferior hardware after using both together all day. I'm not even counting the fact that my nexus has the glass separation defect either as I know that's just a matter of swapping it out. (although I had the same problem with previous Asus tablets).

Anyway... I know there are some 7.7 people reading these forums trying to figure out if it's worth the "upgrade" to get jellybean and I'll go ahead and say don't bother. Would I recommend buying a 7.7 over a Nexus 7? Probably not.. although you can get the Verizon version factory refurb for $480 now off contract and $550 brand new. The Nexus is probably a better value still though. If you already have a 7.7 though definitely stick with that. If you're looking for a high end tablet though I think the 7.7 is still the best android tablet out in the sub 10 inch range by far.

Feel free to slam me, just throwing some info out for those who are interested.

 

[keithz]

Samsung P6810 Galaxy Tab 7.7 vs. Asus Google Nexus 7 - GSMArena.com

I'd say that it's not just Jellybean. It's the Tegra 3. It's the build quality. It's the quality of the screen. It's the fact that it'll probably get the next two Android updates at least (pure wifi means no carrier interference). And of course...the price.

That said, all that has to be weighed against a slightly larger screen, more and better cameras, USB, MicroSD, 3G/4G availability, etc.

Ultimately, it's your money and you should decide what's better for you. I think that the Nexus 7 will be the first real mainstream Android tablet. And if it is, it'll be far more supported. OS, accessories, apps, etc. That's why I'd pick the Nexus 7...to be on the winning team.

 

[zedorda]

The real point of the Nexus 7 is not as much the 4+1 CPU core but the 12 core graphics processor which makes the high end games shine brilliantly. I agree the Gtab 7.7 is much more versatile but versatility wasn't the idea behind the Nexus 7. If your looking for a general tablet for all around use I would go with the Gtab 7.7 but for high-end gaming and media consumption the Nexus 7 is a clear winner.

 

[Jaymil]

That's great in practice but playing Dead trigger I get more stutters on the Nexus than I do on the 7.7. I had the same experience with Tegra 2 being a steaming pile as well compared to similiar exynos processors.

And yeah I can't argue with the fact that the nexus will more than likely be updated to the next 2-3 versions of android but I'll probably be rocking a Surface by then anyway... who knows. The quality of the screen on the Nexus is compared to the 7.7. Not just a little worse.. alot. Is it better than a galaxy tab 7-2 ? Hell yeah.. but it's not even in the same ballpark as the ipad or 7.7 sorry to say.

 

[Jaymil]

Anyway I'm not here to defend my comments against people who haven't used either tablet. I've been around the block and owned just about every tablet their is. The Nexus 7 is over rated. For the price..yes it's great but in the grand scheme of android tablets the hardware is weak. It's a budget version of an underperforming processor with a weak screen with light leakage and shoddy build quality that happens to have a decent resolution. No SD card, I could give a rats ass about rear cameras but that too.. Huge bezel on the sides.. it's thick it's heavier than it should be.

I know everyone wants this to be the god android tablet to take android tablets mainstream but it's like nobody wants to notice that the emperor has no clothes on around here lol. Yes it's a hell of alot better than a kindle fire at the same price but damn.. it's really not a high end tablet.. (nor do I expect it to be at $200 hence why I said earlier if you're looking for high end go with the 7.7).

 

[Ravynmagi]

The Exynos 4 dual core in the GT 7.7 is pretty nice and I believe easily keeps up with the down clocked T30L processor. I'd say the SoCs between the two tablets is mostly a draw (Mali 400 is a nice GPU too).

The GT 7.7 wins big on display quality. The slightly larger 7.7 might be a little bit more of a sweet spot while still feeling portable and comfortable. And it's Super AMOLED, colors look so vibrant and blacks so dark. The Nexus 7 display is slightly meh, the colors are a bit washed out (perhaps some of us got bad units, not sure).

The Nexus 7 is of course cheap and running Jelly Bean, will be updated a lot more promptly than Samsung updates it's tablets. But having micro SD sure is nice too (for some of us anyway).

So I completely agree with Jaymil. Nexus 7 is the better value. But if you already have a GT 7.7, getting a Nexus 7 doesn't seem like a great idea.

 

[DestinedtoGame]

I think a lot of the time people are expecting far to much bang for their buck. It's like going to McDonald's and getting a Big Mac and expecting it taste like an amazing Kobe burger or Bison burger. It's just not going to happen.

It's a 200 dollar tablet. 200 bucks! It's a glorified e-reader. Which is exactly what I wanted! To expect it to be on par with other high end tablets is to be unreasonable.

 

[Necrocis]

Why would someone w/ a 7" tablet be looking to replace w/ something the same size unless significantly better anyway?

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[Daniel0418]

You have touchwiz. Enough said. I love touchwiz on the GS3 and don't mind it on the GS2, but touchwiz is complete and utter garbage on Samsung Tablets. Plus, you wont see Jellybean for months. Then after you get Jellybean you simply will never see what comes after because Samsung will and always does drop support for phones after one major update. Asus build quality for exceeds that of all the Samsung tablets I've owned. I don't knock SuperAMOLED + because that screen tech is the best out there. And if your buying a tablet today, your getting straight ripped off paying $500 for a skinned ICS 7" tablet.


Lol that all being said, if you already have a 7.7, its definitely a waste to buy another 7".

 

[Jaymil]

Why would someone w/ a 7" tablet be looking to replace w/ something the same size unless significantly better anyway?

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Because prior to last week the 7.7 was stuck on Honeycomb with no custom rom support to speak of and because the promise of quad core and jellybean on a Nexus was enticing. However it just didn't pan out to be much of an upgrade if at all since many categories were downgrades.

 

[Jaymil]

You have touchwiz. Enough said. I love touchwiz on the GS3 and don't mind it on the GS2, but touchwiz is complete and utter garbage on Samsung Tablets. Plus, you wont see Jellybean for months. Then after you get Jellybean you simply will never see what comes after because Samsung will and always does drop support for phones after one major update. Asus build quality for exceeds that of all the Samsung tablets I've owned. I don't knock SuperAMOLED + because that screen tech is the best out there. And if your buying a tablet today, your getting straight ripped off paying $500 for a skinned ICS 7" tablet.


Lol that all being said, if you already have a 7.7, its definitely a waste to buy another 7".

No touchwhiz on my 7.7... I'm running a buttery smooth build of CM9 now. It's really like a new device. I haven't tried the official ICS build for it but I'm sure the touchwhiz slows it down. I also don't expect it to ever get Jellybean officially but I do think it will get CM10 and I think developement will pick up now that ICS kernal source is out and the price is dropping on it more people will buy it. And yeah the price was a bit steep on this tablet (allthough it's dropped quite a bit lately) but it really is top notch hardware. Honeycomb and touchwhiz were the only things holding it back and those are both gone now.

 

[TemporalBeef]

I feel the lack of an sd slot is a non issue because of the rise of cloud storage as well as streaming media services.

 

[keithz]

And yeah the price was a bit steep on this tablet (allthough it's dropped quite a bit lately) but it really is top notch hardware.

I predict sales will crater....because of the Nexus 7. Samsung should have been selling this thing for $250 at launch. But they didn't. And now there's something that carries the Google name brand name in the market at the same price point. Add to that, the 7.7 is the same size as the rumoured mini-iPad. And if that thing comes in at $249, it'll hurt lots of Android tablet sales....but particularly ones like these in direct competition.

Samsung's biggest problem is that they keep thinking that they are Apple and can insist on Apple-like prices and margins. This thing was $700 at launch. Really? This is exactly why Google had to make the Nexus 7. With companies like Samsung leading the Android tablet charge, Android was doomed to fail with tablets.

None of that is to say it's a bad device. It's great tech. And if it works for you, keep it. But personally, I think you're better off selling it (if you can) and buying yourself a Nexus 7, before it loses even more value...an inevitability once the iPad mini and the Nexus 10 launch for $299.

 

[Unicorn Rancher]

For starters I've had my Galaxy tab 7.7 for a few months now and was not happy with it on honeycomb. Kind of a coincidence that a stable working CM9 rom pops up the day before I get ahold of a nexus and then the official ICS drops the same day lol.

Anyway I was hoping that the Nexus would have a nice enough screen to move on from the 7.7. It didn't. Not even close in my opinion. Also the lack of SD card bugs me as does the excess bezel.

Now that the 7.7 has ICS it's a fairer fight and I don't see the tegra 3 in the nexus being all that much better than the dual core Exynos in the 7.7. Jellybean make a difference but I really think the Nexus is inferior hardware after using both together all day. I'm not even counting the fact that my nexus has the glass separation defect either as I know that's just a matter of swapping it out. (although I had the same problem with previous Asus tablets).

Anyway... I know there are some 7.7 people reading these forums trying to figure out if it's worth the "upgrade" to get jellybean and I'll go ahead and say don't bother. Would I recommend buying a 7.7 over a Nexus 7? Probably not.. although you can get the Verizon version factory refurb for $480 now off contract and $550 brand new. The Nexus is probably a better value still though. If you already have a 7.7 though definitely stick with that. If you're looking for a high end tablet though I think the 7.7 is still the best android tablet out in the sub 10 inch range by far.

Feel free to slam me, just throwing some info out for those who are interested.

No slam. That makes sense. If someone already owns a Gtab that's a different situation than someone who doesn't have a tablet computer and is trying to decide which one to get.

It's a somewhat similar situation for the Kindle Fire, for different reasons. If some is deciding between the Fire and the 7, there's a lot of good reasons to choose the 7. However, if somebody already has a Fire, then the incremental benefit of the Nexus 7 may not be worth $250.

 

[Jaymil]

I predict sales will crater....because of the Nexus 7. Samsung should have been selling this thing for $250 at launch. But they didn't. And now there's something that carries the Google name brand name in the market at the same price point. Add to that, the 7.7 is the same size as the rumoured mini-iPad. And if that thing comes in at $249, it'll hurt lots of Android tablet sales....but particularly ones like these in direct competition.

Samsung's biggest problem is that they keep thinking that they are Apple and can insist on Apple-like prices and margins. This thing was $700 at launch. Really? This is exactly why Google had to make the Nexus 7. With companies like Samsung leading the Android tablet charge, Android was doomed to fail with tablets.

None of that is to say it's a bad device. It's great tech. And if it works for you, keep it. But personally, I think you're better off selling it (if you can) and buying yourself a Nexus 7, before it loses even more value...an inevitability once the iPad mini and the Nexus 10 launch for $299.

I definitely agree on the price issue. I paid $525 for mine which I rationalized because I was selling my ipad 3 to fund it. It is GREAT hardware that was limited by Honeycomb and touchwhiz but no longer. Problem is people don't want to pay $500 for tablet not named the ipad.

I had my 7.7 up on swappa for about a month prior to the nexus 7 coming out. I was offered $350 for it several times and I was just about to pull the trigger but I wanted to wait to see if I could live with the Nexus 7. If I could get $500 for my 7.7 then sure I could live with a nexus for $250 but only getting $350 for the 7.7 I just can't do it.. that screen is so nice it really does make the N7 screen look bad.


Also on your point.. Samsung obviously saw the signs with their newer tablets being much lower priced. The problem is all the tablet makers are lowering the price of their new tablet models... but they're just rehashed versions of last years models with old tech in them. If you're in the market for a high end android tablet there really isn't anything out there for you at any price aside from the 7.7 and I guess the transformer infinity (Allthough it's hard for me to consider any asus product high end after witnessing their shoddy build quality 3 times now.)



Regardless I'm good with my 7.7 for now and I love android for my phone/small tablet but I'm looking to get rid of my ultrabook (samsung series 9) and my large tablet category and get either a Microsoft Surface or some other type convertable windows tablet/laptop device. I really don't see android being able to compete in the large tablet space (or apple in time) with a full fledge desktop class operating system. Not long term anyway.

 

[sstephen17]

I had a Galaxy 7.7 Plus that I just sold so I can purchase a Nexus 7. It was a good tablet, perfect size for my needs, primarily ebooks, video, and web surfing. However, I hated Samsung's TouchWiz and I still haven't been updated to Ice Cream Sandwich.

I've never had a Nexus device before but I did have the original Asus Transformer. Reluctantly, I sold it to a relative who really like it for its docking capabilities. I was always impressed with the Asus build quality, especially the screen so I'm excited about the N7. With updates directly from Google, I'm thrilled to be getting the current version of Android on a consistent and timely basis.

 

[Daniel0418]

Yeah I really think if you already ahve the 7.7 your better off keeping that. Especially once you have CM10, your going to be in love. And like I said before, I LOOOOOVE Samsung's Super AMOLED displays. They are the best in the biz. So yeah I would hang onto that. And if your comfortable with rooting (which you obviously are) then your going to have a ton of cool new up to date ROMs for it.

 

[eleeezy]

I predict sales will crater....because of the Nexus 7. Samsung should have been selling this thing for $250 at launch. But they didn't. And now there's something that carries the Google name brand name in the market at the same price point. Add to that, the 7.7 is the same size as the rumoured mini-iPad. And if that thing comes in at $249, it'll hurt lots of Android tablet sales....but particularly ones like these in direct competition.

Samsung's biggest problem is that they keep thinking that they are Apple and can insist on Apple-like prices and margins. This thing was $700 at launch. Really? This is exactly why Google had to make the Nexus 7. With companies like Samsung leading the Android tablet charge, Android was doomed to fail with tablets.

None of that is to say it's a bad device. It's great tech. And if it works for you, keep it. But personally, I think you're better off selling it (if you can) and buying yourself a Nexus 7, before it loses even more value...an inevitability once the iPad mini and the Nexus 10 launch for $299.

I think its important to realize that samsung is trying to turn a profit from the device, whereas google is basically subsidizing the nexus 7 to its clienta while earning its profits primarily from the Play Store

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[chocolate muffins]

Jaymil.... you're full of crap

Sent from my Nexus 7, which I went backwards in time to get

 

[aggie]

I'm happy with the Nexus 7 for what it is. I didn't expect it to be a top of the line tablet to compete with the likes of the Transformer series or the iPad (which is a no go for me as I don't like Apple or iOS). I have a iPad which my wife and daughter currently use and a Transformer Prime and even though the Nexus 7 doesn't really stand out against the others, especially the Prime, it is the one that I'm probably going to go with and I will likely put my Transformer Prime + Dock up for sale. I bought the Prime to try to make it a laptop replacement but right now I still cant see myself using it as such. The Nexus 7 is perfect for media consumption, web/email, and gaming which I will assume is the majority of tablet use for most users. For those that can use a tablet as a workhorse/laptop replacement this may not be the tablet for them and you may want to look at one of the larger tablets that are also geared towards productivity. I will likely look into the Surface to fill that need but for $250 the Nexus 7 definitely has a place in my device aresenal.