Rom Manager, Nandroid and the Evo

jeffreytz

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OK So I searched around and couldn't find an answer for this so figured I'd just ask :)

Are there issues using Rom Manager to create Nandroid backups and restore them on the Evo 4g? My phone is rooted via Unrevoked forever and I had the 2.6xx version of Clockwork Recovery. After doing the last HTC update in January I decided I wanted to backup my phone exactly as it was, so I purchased Rom Manager, ran the backup, had no issue saving it or anything like that. I also backed up all my apps with Titanium Backup (premium), and have been backing up every now and then after I load new apps. Note I'm not using any custom ROMs or anything, just the latest HTC EVO stock ROM rooted (what can I say, I like Sense :D)

I've been having some issues with my phone (the biggest being I always get a force close when I try to enter Accounts & Sync from Settings) so yesterday I decided to go ahead and just restore the phone using the backup I did in January via Rom Manager. It seemed to run fine but when it was done most of the application icons on my home screens were the generic android one you get when you have an icon on the home screen but then delete the application. The layout of all the home screens was correct, but most of the apps were not there/not loaded, and they weren't in the app drawer either. This included basic stuff like Android Market, so I couldn't even go to the market to install Titanium Backup and just restore my apps that way.

In the end I went into recovery and just selected data wipe/factory reset and that worked in the sense I had a working phone with all the default apps that come in the HTC ROM and the default home screens. I then went in the market, installed Titanium and restored my applications and that worked perfect.

So I'm trying to figure out why my nandroid backup didn't work correctly. I tried it a couple of different times but got the same result each time (most apps missing, including stuff that should be in the standard ROM). I even tried restoring the backup from the recovery menu itself (i.e. powered down, went into recovery mode, selected restore backup, and got the same thing). Maybe I'm not clear on what a "nandroid" backup is - I thought it was a complete backup of the entire phone, an "image", so if I wiped it and restored the backup my entire phone would be EXACTLY as it was when I created the backup.

Like I said I finally gave up, did the factory reset option (but did not erase recovery so I kept Clockwork, my root and superuser it seems) and now everything is working (except I STILL am getting the force close when selecting Accounts & Sync in Settings, but I can get around that by hitting the "settings" menu option in things like email, etc. Not sure why that's broken and a factory reset didn't fix it). And Titanium Backup restored my apps/data with no problem.

Rom Manager is installed and says its working and I've let it update Clockwork to the latest version 3.0.0.5. The reason I got Rom Manager in the first place was I wanted to start playing around with some of the other ROMs but now don't feel comfortable I can backup, flash, and then get back to my HTC setup via the nandroid backup. Finding documentation on Rom Manager is pretty tough, just examples on varoius websites on how to use it, and the developers blog doesn't seem to have anything either. Supposedly the paid app has "support" but I can't find that anywhere either.

Any help/tips here would be appreciated.

JT
 

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I'm not familiar with Rom Manager, but it sounds like it isn't making true Nandroid backups or at least complete backups.

I occasionally switch between CyanogenMod and Calkulin's EViO 2 ROM and I make my Nandroid backups from Recovery using Amon_RA recovery. The only problem I have had with the blank icons is when I switch SD cards and have some of the programs moved to SD.
 

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I use Rom Manager and have yet to have a problem with my back ups, but I also have the paid version check the market for Rom Manager Premium if your looking for the supported version.
 

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I may have misread your initial post. Did you do the OTA in January before or after you rooted the phone?

As eldub1 noted, running an OTA after rooting will break your root and that could be the problem with your backups.
 

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No, I ran the OTA after I put back the stock recovery. Once the OTA was installed I then reinstalled Clockworkmod recovery and superuser. It was at that point I installed Rom Manager and Titanium Backup.
 

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I use Rom Manager and have yet to have a problem with my back ups, but I also have the paid version check the market for Rom Manager Premium if your looking for the supported version.

Yup I have the paid version as well - ROM Manager Premium v3.0.0.7. I did finally wise up and look for the developer email in the Market listing, I guess I'll start there for support.
 

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Hmm, did you re-run the Unrevoked Forever after the OTA?

Can you get into the Clockworkmod Recovery by turning the phone off, then pressing and holding the Power + Vol. Down button until you get to the screen with the 3 skateboarding androids?

Does it show S-OFF at the top of the screen and what happens when you select the "Recovery" option?

BTW, if you haven't done it before, read the messages and be careful when answering the questions with the Vol. buttons.

Also, I apologize that I am a bit ignorant with Clockworkmod Recovery. I personally use the Amon_Ra Recovery.
 

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OK So I searched around and couldn't find an answer for this so figured I'd just ask :)

Are there issues using Rom Manager to create Nandroid backups and restore them on the Evo 4g? My phone is rooted via Unrevoked forever and I had the 2.6xx version of Clockwork Recovery. After doing the last HTC update in January I decided I wanted to backup my phone exactly as it was, so I purchased Rom Manager, ran the backup, had no issue saving it or anything like that. I also backed up all my apps with Titanium Backup (premium), and have been backing up every now and then after I load new apps. Note I'm not using any custom ROMs or anything, just the latest HTC EVO stock ROM rooted (what can I say, I like Sense :D)


JT

Plenty of good Sence Roms, Myn's Warm being one of them.
 

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No, I ran the OTA after I put back the stock recovery. Once the OTA was installed I then reinstalled Clockworkmod recovery and superuser. It was at that point I installed Rom Manager and Titanium Backup.

I've heard several people have had problems after using TB to restore certain apps+data. this may be your problem.

Try running fix permissions from rom manager and see what happens.
 

jeffreytz

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Hmm, did you re-run the Unrevoked Forever after the OTA?

Can you get into the Clockworkmod Recovery by turning the phone off, then pressing and holding the Power + Vol. Down button until you get to the screen with the 3 skateboarding androids?

Does it show S-OFF at the top of the screen and what happens when you select the "Recovery" option?

No, I didn't have to re-run Unrevoked Forever after the OTA, just replaced the stock recovery with Clockwork and then reinstalled superuser; I could do that because S-OFF was still set (the "forever" part of Unrevoked, I guess :) )

Yes, I can get to Clockworkmod by the standard recovery mode entry and even ran one restore that way (directly from the Clockworkmod menus) but it had the same result, which means the backup itself isn't complete.

JT