Rooted? Apps Safe to Remove from Samsung Note 4 (Sprint Version, Stock Rooted) ONGOING

[TigerDave99]

I couldn't locate any other thread like this, soooooo...

Carrying on the tradition that VegasRooted originally posted for the Sprint Galaxy S3:

I like to run stock rooted, so here is a list of the apps that I have stripped from my stock rooted Samsung Galaxy S3 Note 4 (Sprint version); my goal is always to run only the services that I use, and get rid of the rest.

Keep in mind that I remove ALL of these apps AT THE SAME TIME using Titanium Backup; I go down the list, wipe data on each, then delete the APK & Odex of each...some of them are dependent on each other, so if you remove only a portion of them, your results may vary...

Anyways, here are the apps that I have safely stripped without incident using Titanium Backup: (Note: Be sure to clear data of app prior to removal, and ALWAYS make a recovery backup of your ROM prior to stripping apps, and I would also suggest making a copy of the System/App folder and placing in on your SD card in case you want to add any apps back to the phone individually after stripping...and use Titanium Backup to make a batch backup of all system app data as well. If you need help with adding system apps back, just give me a shout!)

Here's my list of apps I've had frozen for the past few days. Yes, I have not removed them. I simply froze them using Titanium Backup. And so far so good!

Remember: This list is always changing and will vary from user to user depending on what apps/services you require!

Last updated Feb. 17, 2015

1. AllShare FileShare Service 2.1 (com.sec.android.allshare.service.fileshare)
2. Backup 3.10.9 (com.samsung.android.scloud.backup)
3. Beaming Service 1.1.6 (com.mobeam.barcodeService)
4. BlurbCheckout 1.0 (Build 204) (com.blurb.checkout)
5. Briefing 1.0.19 (flipboard.boxer.app)
6. Bubbles 1.0 (com.android.noisefield)
7. CapabilityManagerService 2.4.0 (com.sec.android.service.cm)
8. ChromecastServerService 1.0 (com.sec.embeddedserverservice)
9. Connections Optimizer 3.0.9.17 (com.smithmicro.mnd)
10. Connections Optimizer Updater 2.1.4.1 (com.smithmicro.EDM)
11. DirectShareManager 2.5.0 (com.sec.android.directshare)
12. ELM Agent 14341 (com.sec.esdk.elm)
13. Email 4.4.2.0400 (com.android.email)
14. Enterprise VPN Services 1.3 (com.sec.enterprise.mdm.vpn)
15. EpsonPrintService 1.0.0 (com.epson.mobilephone.samsungprintservice)
16. Evernote 6.3.3.1 (com.evernote)
17. Exchange services 4.4.2.0100 (com.android.exchange)
18. GALAXY Apps 14120405.03.012.1 (com.sec.android.app.samsungapps)
19. Google Play Books 3.3.15 (com.google.android.apps.books)
20. Google Play Games 2.2.09 (1680149-000) (com.google.android.play.games)
21. Google Play Movies & TV 3.6.16 (com.google.android.videos)
22. Google Play Music 5.8.1810R.1720607 (com.google.android.music)
23. Google Play Newsstand 3.3.1 (com.google.android.apps.magazines)
24. Google+ 4.9.0.84567213 (com.google.android.apps.plus)
25. Help 1.0.0 (com.samsung.helphub)
26. HTML Viewer 1.0 (com.android.htmlviewer)
27. Internet 2.0.341100600.128293 (com.sec.android.app.sbrowser)
28. KLMS Agent 2.4.361 (com.samsung.klmsagent)
29. KNOX 2.2.0 (com.sec.knox.bridge)
30. Knox Notification Manager 2.2.2 (com.sec.knox.seandroid)
31. KNOX SetupWizardClient 2.2.0 (com.sec.knox.knoxsetupwizardclient)
32. Launcher 1.0 (com.sec.android.emergencylauncher)
33. Market Feedback Agent 4.4.4-1227136 (com.google.android.feedback)
34. Mobile Installer 4.1.01 (com.sprint.ce.updater)
35. Mobile tracker 1.0.67631.138416 (com.sec.android.app.mt)
36. MobilePrintSvc_CUPS 1.0 (com.siso.app.generic)
37. MobilePrintSvc_CUPS_Backend 20130513 (com.siso.app.genericprintservice)
38. My Files 1.0 (com.sec.android.app.myfiles)
39. My interests 1.0 (com.samsung.android.keyguardwallpaperupdator)
40. My Places 1.0 (com.sec.android.widgetapp.locationwidget)
41. Nearby devices 2.1 (com.sec.android.nearby.mediaserver)
42. Nearby Service 2.1 (com.sec.android.allshare.service.mediashare)
43. New registration 1.1.27 (com.sec.enterprise.knox.cloudmdm.smdms)
44. Nfc Service 4.4.4-N910PVPU1ANK2 (com.android.nfc)
45. OCR Service 1.0.79493.157050 (com.sec.android.app.ocrservice)
46. Pay with PayPal 1.0.0.0 (com.sec.android.stub.paywithpaypal)
47. PEN.UP 1.5.6 (com.sec.penup)
48. Phase beam 1.0 (com.android.phasebeam)
49. Photo Screensavers 4.4.4-N910PVPU1ANK2 (com.android.dreams.phototable)
50. Quick connect 1.3.2262190 (com.samsung.android.sconnect)
51. Quick Connect Interaction Service 1.0 (com.sec.android.service.bezel)
52. S Finder 2.500 (com.samsung.android.app.galaxyfinder)
53. Samsung Billing 2.01.11 (com.sec.android.app.billing)
54. Samsung Calendar SyncAdapter 1.5.77598.154304 (com.samsung.android.scloud.proxy.calendar)
55. Samsung Cloud Data Relay 3.05007.63672.129697 (com.samsung.android.scloud.auth)
56. Samsung Cloud Quota 1.5.14 (com.samsung.android.scloud.quota)
57. Samsung Contact SyncAdapter 1.5.77598.154307 (com.samsung.android.scloud.proxy.contacts)
58. Samsung Content Agent 1.0 (com.sec.android.app.SamsungContentsAgent)
59. Samsung DM Service 1.10.12 (com.samsung.syncservice)
60. Samsung Galaxy 1.3.5 (com.sec.android.app.sns3)
61. Samsung GALAXY Apps Widget 1.00.065 (com.sec.android.widgetapp.samsungapps)
62. Samsung Link Platform 2.0.2 (com.samsung.android.sdk.samsunglink)
63. Samsung Link Platform Connectivity 2.7.4.7 (com.sec.msc.nts.android.proxy)
64. Samsung Memo SyncAdapter 4.2.77598.154310 (com.samsung.android.scloud.proxy.memo)
65. Samsung Print Service Plugin 2.00.141113 (com.sec.app.samsungprintservice)
66. Samsung Push Service 1.3.0.2 (com.sec.spp.push)
67. Samsung SBrowser SyncAdapter 1.5.77598.154300 (com.samsung.android.scloud.proxy.sbrowser)
68. Samsung Syncadapters 5.6.1.74891.150063 (com.samsung.android.scloud.sync)
69. Scrapbook 1.7.119426 (com.samsung.android.app.pinboard)
70. Self Service SZ_5.2.00 (com.sprint.dsa)
71. Selfie alarm 1.49 (com.sec.di.SmartSelfShot)
72. Shot & more 3.0.0.22 (com.arcsoft.magicshotstudio)
73. Smart Remote 7.12.0.29 (tv.peel.smartremote)
74. Sprint ID 2.0.27 (com.sprint.w.installer)
75. Sprint Zone 5.0.011 (com.sprint.zone)
76. Studio 1.5.81 (com.sec.android.mimage.sstudio)
77. Swype 1.7.9.30068 (com.nuance.swype.input)
78. SysScope 1.2.50kc (com.sec.android.app.sysscope)
79. Tags 1.1 (com.android.apps.tag)
80. TalkBack 3.5.2 (com.google.android.marvin.talkback)
81. Travel wallpaper 1.0.43429.97355 (com.samsung.android.service.travel)
82. USBSettings 1.0 (com.sec.usbsettings)
83. Wi-Fi Calling SSE-T-4.4.4-5.0-57096-1.2.5 (com.kineto.smartwifi)
84. Wi-Fi Direct 2.1 (com.sec.android.app.FileShareClient)
85. Wi-Fi Direct share 2.1 (com.sec.android.app.FileShareServer)

Tip: The way I was able to export this list, was by doing the following in Titanium Backup: Backup/Restore > Click to edit filters > Filter by temperature: Frozen > OK (check mark) > Menu button > Send data... > List of all apps > Gmail. Then I emailed it to myself. It's a good list to keep handy in case I ever make changes. You can also save your list of frozen apps within Titanium Backup for easy retrieval.​

 

[TigerDave99]

Added 12 more items...

 

[TigerDave99]

• Added (froze) "DM Service" to get rid of constant "System Update" notification, especially after reboots.
• Removed (defrosted) "Car Mode" and associated "Music" app to give the Car Mode functionality a try.
• Removed "Hangouts" because even though I had frozen it, I was getting periodic "Unfortunately Hangouts has stopped" errors popping up throughout the day. Something else must be causing it.
• Also removed "S Health" and "Health Service" as I decided to try using those apps as well.

Side note: If you happen to have Xposed Framework installed, you may experience constant crashing when trying to use "S Health". The solution for me was to do steps outlined here:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=52213118#post52213118

 

[risalazar]

With all of this bloatware frozen, did you see a jump in your device's performance?

 

[bbmjack]

With all of this bloatware frozen, did you see a jump in your device's performance?

Yes

KRASIVA

 

[lumaom]

I tried to remove a stock app and my screen started showing the android flashing for a long time. I couldn't get rid of it so I forced a shutdown to no avail. i removed the battery with the same result. The android still flushing in the screen. Please help me to solve this problem! Thank you

 

[muzzy996]

What android flashing? Are you saying the device won't even boot and it's stuck on a splash screen that displays an android icon?

What "stock app" did you try to remove and how did you try to remove it?

You may want to try to boot into safe mode and revserse your steps if you can. Safe mode info here: Galaxy Note 4 Safe Mode: What you need to know | Android Central

 

[pappcam]

What's the point of having a smartphone if you're removing 90% of what's on the phone. The vast majority of things listed above consume absolutely no resources when they aren't running. All they do is take up a tiny amount of space. You also run the risk of bricking your phone like the guy above if you don't know what you're doing.

It seems that a lot of the "de-bloating" that people do is pointless and people do it "just because" but I guess everyone's entitled to do whatever they want with their phones.

 

[muzzy996]

The tiny amount of space you're referring to is storage space. For many of us who do debloat this is not as relevant as the amount of RAM that is consumed by cached processes associated with the applications.

To see what I mean install a system monitor application like this one: https://forums.androidcentral.com/e...details?id=nextapp.systempanel&token=DR-7dikU

Once installed perform a clean boot and let the phone sit for several minutes without touching it. After several minutes of inactivity go straight into the system monitor application and look at the list of applications loaded into memory. The list is divided into categories, one of which is labeled Inactive (Cached) Applications. These apps are not taking up CPU time at all but they are loaded into memory, cached and ready to load quickly when needed. Question is - do you need every one of them? Apps that aren't needed but are taking up space will have to be unloaded and replaced with a second app that's not there should that second app be launched by the user. This can be inefficient and the reduction in "lag" that people who debloat will observe is based upon this manual optimization.

Some people take this kind of cleanup too far, expecting debloating to reduce the use of physical RAM . . The goal shouldn't be to maximize the amount of free RAM, it should be to maximize the use of RAM by ensuring what is loaded is what is necessary to give the user the functionality that they need the most.

 

[pappcam]

The tiny amount of space you're referring to is storage space. For many of us who do debloat this is not as relevant as the amount of RAM that is consumed by cached processes associated with the applications.

To see what I mean install a system monitor application like this one: https://forums.androidcentral.com/e...details?id=nextapp.systempanel&token=UA-gOfQS

Once installed perform a clean boot and let the phone sit for several minutes without touching it. After several minutes of inactivity go straight into the system monitor application and look at the list of applications loaded into memory. The list is divided into categories, one of which is labeled Inactive (Cached) Applications. These apps are not taking up CPU time at all but they are loaded into memory, cached and ready to load quickly when needed. Question is - do you need every one of them? Apps that aren't needed but are taking up space will have to be unloaded and replaced with a second app that's not there should that second app be launched by the user. This can be inefficient and the reduction in "lag" that people who debloat will observe is based upon this manual optimization.

Some people take this kind of cleanup too far, expecting debloating to reduce the use of physical RAM . . The goal shouldn't be to maximize the amount of free RAM, it should be to maximize the use of RAM by ensuring what is loaded is what is necessary to give the user the functionality that they need the most.

Installing an app that consumes resources to see which apps consume resources has always been a baffling thing to me. I realize that some bloatware is crap and most people don't want crap bloatware but I guess I'm lucky to be with a carrier that doesn't load their phones with crap.

I say this now but I once was heavy into the root and debloat thing on my old S3 but I have come to the realization that for me it just isn't worth the time and hassle anymore. What little gains I made rooting, debloating and modifying my S3 sure wasn't relative to all the time and effort that was required. It seems I was doing it just because I could.

Anyway, sort of off topic but just my opinion on the subject.

 

[egbertina]

Excellent post, well written and informative Thank you.

 

[muzzy996]

Installing an app that consumes resources to see which apps consume resources has always been a baffling thing to me. I realize that some bloatware is crap and most people don't want crap bloatware but I guess I'm lucky to be with a carrier that doesn't load their phones with crap.

I say this now but I once was heavy into the root and debloat thing on my old S3 but I have come to the realization that for me it just isn't worth the time and hassle anymore. What little gains I made rooting, debloating and modifying my S3 sure wasn't relative to all the time and effort that was required. It seems I was doing it just because I could.

Anyway, sort of off topic but just my opinion on the subject.

Not off topic at all actually but quite an important point. Diagnostic tools aren't necessarily needed 24x7. Similar to battery monitoring applications once things are optimized it's best to deactivate or uninstall the monitoring utility, otherwise it too is just wasting resources.

On my devices for example I do not actively run battery monitoring software or app killing/monitoring software. I go through the process outlined above when I initially setup the device and once I'm satisfied that nothing unwanted is automatically running in the background I'll freeze the monitoring software with titanium backup. I will not use the software again unless future installation or updates of apps brings unwanted battery drain or performance hits.

Totally agree that it is a lot of effort, and whether or not it is worth it is subjective. Nevertheless there are highly effective methods to minimize lag and battery drain and they rely on using diagnostic tools to figure out what is going on.

 

[Zach5050]

Just a comment for those of you that knock what this gentleman has listed. When I can take my phone that previously lost 20% of its power from turning it on within 30 minutes, and have 0% battery drain in a four hour period?!!! I'll leave it at that.

 

[Eddy Kelemis]

Just a comment for those of you that knock what this gentleman has listed. When I can take my phone that previously lost 20% of its power from turning it on within 30 minutes, and have 0% battery drain in a four hour period?!!! I'll leave it at that.

Amen to that

 

[Eddy Kelemis]

I couldn't locate any other thread like this, soooooo...

Carrying on the tradition that VegasRooted originally posted for the Sprint Galaxy S3:



Here's my list of apps I've had frozen for the past few days. Yes, I have not removed them. I simply froze them using Titanium Backup. And so far so good!

Remember: This list is always changing and will vary from user to user depending on what apps/services you require!

Last updated Feb. 17, 2015

1. AllShare FileShare Service 2.1 (com.sec.android.allshare.service.fileshare)
2. Backup 3.10.9 (com.samsung.android.scloud.backup)
3. Beaming Service 1.1.6 (com.mobeam.barcodeService)
4. BlurbCheckout 1.0 (Build 204) (com.blurb.checkout)
5. Briefing 1.0.19 (flipboard.boxer.app)
6. Bubbles 1.0 (com.android.noisefield)
7. CapabilityManagerService 2.4.0 (com.sec.android.service.cm)
8. ChromecastServerService 1.0 (com.sec.embeddedserverservice)
9. Connections Optimizer 3.0.9.17 (com.smithmicro.mnd)
10. Connections Optimizer Updater 2.1.4.1 (com.smithmicro.EDM)
11. DirectShareManager 2.5.0 (com.sec.android.directshare)
12. ELM Agent 14341 (com.sec.esdk.elm)
13. Email 4.4.2.0400 (com.android.email)
14. Enterprise VPN Services 1.3 (com.sec.enterprise.mdm.vpn)
15. EpsonPrintService 1.0.0 (com.epson.mobilephone.samsungprintservice)
16. Evernote 6.3.3.1 (com.evernote)
17. Exchange services 4.4.2.0100 (com.android.exchange)
18. GALAXY Apps 14120405.03.012.1 (com.sec.android.app.samsungapps)
19. Google Play Books 3.3.15 (com.google.android.apps.books)
20. Google Play Games 2.2.09 (1680149-000) (com.google.android.play.games)
21. Google Play Movies & TV 3.6.16 (com.google.android.videos)
22. Google Play Music 5.8.1810R.1720607 (com.google.android.music)
23. Google Play Newsstand 3.3.1 (com.google.android.apps.magazines)
24. Google+ 4.9.0.84567213 (com.google.android.apps.plus)
25. Help 1.0.0 (com.samsung.helphub)
26. HTML Viewer 1.0 (com.android.htmlviewer)
27. Internet 2.0.341100600.128293 (com.sec.android.app.sbrowser)
28. KLMS Agent 2.4.361 (com.samsung.klmsagent)
29. KNOX 2.2.0 (com.sec.knox.bridge)
30. Knox Notification Manager 2.2.2 (com.sec.knox.seandroid)
31. KNOX SetupWizardClient 2.2.0 (com.sec.knox.knoxsetupwizardclient)
32. Launcher 1.0 (com.sec.android.emergencylauncher)
33. Market Feedback Agent 4.4.4-1227136 (com.google.android.feedback)
34. Mobile Installer 4.1.01 (com.sprint.ce.updater)
35. Mobile tracker 1.0.67631.138416 (com.sec.android.app.mt)
36. MobilePrintSvc_CUPS 1.0 (com.siso.app.generic)
37. MobilePrintSvc_CUPS_Backend 20130513 (com.siso.app.genericprintservice)
38. My Files 1.0 (com.sec.android.app.myfiles)
39. My interests 1.0 (com.samsung.android.keyguardwallpaperupdator)
40. My Places 1.0 (com.sec.android.widgetapp.locationwidget)
41. Nearby devices 2.1 (com.sec.android.nearby.mediaserver)
42. Nearby Service 2.1 (com.sec.android.allshare.service.mediashare)
43. New registration 1.1.27 (com.sec.enterprise.knox.cloudmdm.smdms)
44. Nfc Service 4.4.4-N910PVPU1ANK2 (com.android.nfc)
45. OCR Service 1.0.79493.157050 (com.sec.android.app.ocrservice)
46. Pay with PayPal 1.0.0.0 (com.sec.android.stub.paywithpaypal)
47. PEN.UP 1.5.6 (com.sec.penup)
48. Phase beam 1.0 (com.android.phasebeam)
49. Photo Screensavers 4.4.4-N910PVPU1ANK2 (com.android.dreams.phototable)
50. Quick connect 1.3.2262190 (com.samsung.android.sconnect)
51. Quick Connect Interaction Service 1.0 (com.sec.android.service.bezel)
52. S Finder 2.500 (com.samsung.android.app.galaxyfinder)
53. Samsung Billing 2.01.11 (com.sec.android.app.billing)
54. Samsung Calendar SyncAdapter 1.5.77598.154304 (com.samsung.android.scloud.proxy.calendar)
55. Samsung Cloud Data Relay 3.05007.63672.129697 (com.samsung.android.scloud.auth)
56. Samsung Cloud Quota 1.5.14 (com.samsung.android.scloud.quota)
57. Samsung Contact SyncAdapter 1.5.77598.154307 (com.samsung.android.scloud.proxy.contacts)
58. Samsung Content Agent 1.0 (com.sec.android.app.SamsungContentsAgent)
59. Samsung DM Service 1.10.12 (com.samsung.syncservice)
60. Samsung Galaxy 1.3.5 (com.sec.android.app.sns3)
61. Samsung GALAXY Apps Widget 1.00.065 (com.sec.android.widgetapp.samsungapps)
62. Samsung Link Platform 2.0.2 (com.samsung.android.sdk.samsunglink)
63. Samsung Link Platform Connectivity 2.7.4.7 (com.sec.msc.nts.android.proxy)
64. Samsung Memo SyncAdapter 4.2.77598.154310 (com.samsung.android.scloud.proxy.memo)
65. Samsung Print Service Plugin 2.00.141113 (com.sec.app.samsungprintservice)
66. Samsung Push Service 1.3.0.2 (com.sec.spp.push)
67. Samsung SBrowser SyncAdapter 1.5.77598.154300 (com.samsung.android.scloud.proxy.sbrowser)
68. Samsung Syncadapters 5.6.1.74891.150063 (com.samsung.android.scloud.sync)
69. Scrapbook 1.7.119426 (com.samsung.android.app.pinboard)
70. Self Service SZ_5.2.00 (com.sprint.dsa)
71. Selfie alarm 1.49 (com.sec.di.SmartSelfShot)
72. Shot & more 3.0.0.22 (com.arcsoft.magicshotstudio)
73. Smart Remote 7.12.0.29 (tv.peel.smartremote)
74. Sprint ID 2.0.27 (com.sprint.w.installer)
75. Sprint Zone 5.0.011 (com.sprint.zone)
76. Studio 1.5.81 (com.sec.android.mimage.sstudio)
77. Swype 1.7.9.30068 (com.nuance.swype.input)
78. SysScope 1.2.50kc (com.sec.android.app.sysscope)
79. Tags 1.1 (com.android.apps.tag)
80. TalkBack 3.5.2 (com.google.android.marvin.talkback)
81. Travel wallpaper 1.0.43429.97355 (com.samsung.android.service.travel)
82. USBSettings 1.0 (com.sec.usbsettings)
83. Wi-Fi Calling SSE-T-4.4.4-5.0-57096-1.2.5 (com.kineto.smartwifi)
84. Wi-Fi Direct 2.1 (com.sec.android.app.FileShareClient)
85. Wi-Fi Direct share 2.1 (com.sec.android.app.FileShareServer)

Tip: The way I was able to export this list, was by doing the following in Titanium Backup: Backup/Restore > Click to edit filters > Filter by temperature: Frozen > OK (check mark) > Menu button > Send data... > List of all apps > Gmail. Then I emailed it to myself. It's a good list to keep handy in case I ever make changes. You can also save your list of frozen apps within Titanium Backup for easy retrieval.​

Did anything brake while you froze these apps and services like screen mirroring or data drops and did you have any fc's showing up im on custom mm rom on n4 and this thing has 364 apps plus my apps its ridiculous i need to get this number down to 200's i just dont wanna break anything i nedd in process

 

[anon(5719825)]

This is why I root my Note 4 and Note Edge. The standby times on these phones is unbelievable. I haven't used my Note 4 much at all this week and this phone also has a new OEM battery that I bought on eBay for about $12. I've been using my Note 5/S7 Edge this week.

 

[AndroidGrl83]

Installing an app that consumes resources to see which apps consume resources has always been a baffling thing to me. I realize that some bloatware is crap and most people don't want crap bloatware but I guess I'm lucky to be with a carrier that doesn't load their phones with crap.

I say this now but I once was heavy into the root and debloat thing on my old S3 but I have come to the realization that for me it just isn't worth the time and hassle anymore. What little gains I made rooting, debloating and modifying my S3 sure wasn't relative to all the time and effort that was required. It seems I was doing it just because I could.

Anyway, sort of off topic but just my opinion on the subject.

What carrier do you use?

 

[KatieBlue]

The tiny amount of space you're referring to is storage space. For many of us who do debloat this is not as relevant as the amount of RAM that is consumed by cached processes associated with the applications.

To see what I mean install a system monitor application like this one: https://forums.androidcentral.com/e...details?id=nextapp.systempanel&token=-p4nAXyo

Once installed perform a clean boot and let the phone sit for several minutes without touching it. After several minutes of inactivity go straight into the system monitor application and look at the list of applications loaded into memory. The list is divided into categories, one of which is labeled Inactive (Cached) Applications. These apps are not taking up CPU time at all but they are loaded into memory, cached and ready to load quickly when needed. Question is - do you need every one of them? Apps that aren't needed but are taking up space will have to be unloaded and replaced with a second app that's not there should that second app be launched by the user. This can be inefficient and the reduction in "lag" that people who debloat will observe is based upon this manual optimization.

Some people take this kind of cleanup too far, expecting debloating to reduce the use of physical RAM . . The goal shouldn't be to maximize the amount of free RAM, it should be to maximize the use of RAM by ensuring what is loaded is what is necessary to give the user the functionality that they need the most.

I think that's a very good point. The differentiation btwn amt of RAM and use of RAM. I'm not tech savvy but that, I understand. Thanks for pointing that out. I don't think it would have occurred to me on that level. Your translation into well written old fashioned English? Tha