SMS Not Present on Phone if it's OFF and Gear on ON

[Jason Wu Hunter]

If I switch my phone off, I recieve SMS on the watch, but if I turn my phone back on again, I don't find the SMS on the phone.

Is it really that retarded?

 

[pcoventry]

Well no, the watch is acting like a standalone phone. If you get a message on the phone and it redirects to the watch does it stay on the phone?

You might think I am asking a dumb question but I've never paired my watch with a phone and never used it with one so I don't know

 

[Jason Wu Hunter]

Well, if both the phone and the watch are ON, then messages are received on both, of course; that's the main reason I'm using it; to relieve me of the pain of grabbing my phone just to check messages.

 

[mountainbikermark]

If the phone is off, the message forwarded to watch, the delivery report shows as received at the sms server so it will not try to send again when you power the phone on. It's not the watch or the phone. It's the delivery report

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[Jason Wu Hunter]

I don't care that it's the delivery report; this should be transparent to the user.

If they would have implemented an sms server here, they would have solved this problem. You always use a server, that's the first rule of good programming.

 

[mountainbikermark]

I don't care that it's the delivery report; this should be transparent to the user.

If they would have implemented an sms server here, they would have solved this problem. You always use a server, that's the first rule of good programming.

What you're saying makes no sense. Whoever sends a text. It goes through its scenario and ends up on your watch. Server part is done for that text.
What you seem to be asking is a server somewhere know that your phone is powered off and when you power it on it recognizes you've done so and then resends the message to your phone.
Maybe one day they'll have that ability but for now it just doesn't work that way.

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[foxbat121]

I don't know about CDMA carriers. But on my AT&T phones, text messages can't be forwarded. It can only be relayed by the phone via remote connection. So, if the phone is off, I got forwarded calls, but no SMS messages other than the ones sent directly to my watch number.

Secondly, standard SMS protocol does not require any carrier side server to store all your past messages. It only requires the messages be delivered once. If the device is not on, it will store and wait until it is delivered. Once delivered, there is nothing in the SMS protocol to provide any message backup. But many carriers do offer such message backup. But it can't be done with standard SMS protocol. For example, AT&T offers past messages if you use AT&T message app. I saw in Android Lollipop implementation on my Galaxy Alpha, it is now possible for carrier to plugin its backup mechanism (offered in carrier branded ROM of course) so that you can retrieve old messages via standard message app.

 

[Jason Wu Hunter]

You're approaching the problem in the wrong end.

The server is implemented in the cloud, as part of your Android account.

If the watch receives the message, it syncs with this SMS cloud service. When other devices comes online, they also get this message.

They should do this with general notification service as well.

When I read a god damn SMS on my watch, I don't want to see it unread on my god damn phone or my tablet.

 

[Jason Wu Hunter]

Of course, we could go on and on about how crap email and sms protocols are, but that's the status quo.

 

[foxbat121]

You're approaching the problem in the wrong end.

The server is implemented in the cloud, as part of your Android account.

No, you are. SMS is sent from carrier directly to your device, not to Google server. The cloud backup of Android account only works if you use Hangout as your SMS client (it will back up the SMS from device to your android account). Other SMS clients work differently.

Besides, as I mentioned, in most cases, SMS can't be forwarded by carrier network as part of the call forwarding. So, your watch can't event get any SMS if the phone is off. Are you mistaking those messages with the ones sent to your watch's number, not phone number.

 

[Jason Wu Hunter]

No, you are. SMS is sent from carrier directly to your device, not to Google server. The cloud backup of Android account only works if you use Hangout as your SMS client (it will back up the SMS from device to your android account). Other SMS clients work differently.

Besides, as I mentioned, in most cases, SMS can't be forwarded by carrier network as part of the call forwarding. So, your watch can't event get any SMS if the phone is off. Are you mistaking those messages with the ones sent to your watch's number, not phone number.

Now I understand why the world is going down

You don't send SMS from the carrier to the god damn Google server.

The carrier sends to whatever unit that has a SIM that is active, which happens to be my Android watch. This watch is connected to a cloud SMS service, which it uploads the god damn SMS to.

Now, when the phone comes online, which also is an Android device, it connects to the same SMS cloud service and fetches the message and also sees if it's been read.

 

[Jason Wu Hunter]

I didnt' know about this hangout thing doing SMS to the cloud; I'll check it out and report back.

 

[foxbat121]

I think you missed one important fact of Gear S: IT IS NOT an Android Watch. It runs Tizen OS and has zero access to Android eco system without your Phone as the go-between.

 

[Jason Wu Hunter]

I'm using gosms, which is a cloud SMS service, but it only fetches messages directly from my phone instead of from an android or tizen/samsung cloud service.

And that's really where the problem should've been solved. If Tizen had a samsung cloud sms service and Android had a Google cloud sms service, we could've used a third party to sync them, even between other operating systems.

When I use gosms, I get the SMS directly in my browser, so I don't have to reach for my phone when there's an incoming SMS and I'm lying in my velvet lined armchair.

When I'm on the go, I read SMS on my watch, but when I pull up my phone, I have to mark an infinite amount of SMS as read.

 

[Jason Wu Hunter]

Eh, it's called mysms, not gosms

 

[Jason Wu Hunter]

Of course, this is all a workaround for a poorly designed protocol like SMS and GSM/POTS in general, but the concept still applies to notifications.

 

[foxbat121]

Samsung does not seem to off backup of SMS in its Samsung cloud.

Google doesn't seem to open up access to these sensitive account data to anything other than Google's own apps

 

[Jason Wu Hunter]

Hmm, I never knew about this hangouts thing; maybe I found something now

Seems I have to disable mysms, then. I could use hangouts to answer sms from the browser? It seems so.

Does this hangout thing also put phone logs in the cloud?

I'll even buy a new watch to support hangout if this works.

 

[foxbat121]

Hangout is the equivalent of iMessages on iOS. However currently I don't use it because for Gear S to work correctly with text messages when connected to the phone, you have to use the Message app. There can only be one default message app to receive text message from the phone.

 

[Jason Wu Hunter]

Hangout is the equivalent of iMessages on iOS. However currently I don't use it because for Gear S to work correctly with text messages when connected to the phone, you have to use the Message app. There can only be one default message app to receive text message from the phone.

Hmm, are you sure about that?

I use mysms as my default messaging app and I still receive the SMS on my Gear S.