Verizon Version

[ClintRo]

Does anyone know if the Verizon Version is SIM unlocked?

 

[mustang7757]

Does anyone know if the Verizon Version is SIM unlocked?

I believe after 45 days active it is

 

[Rukbat]

These are Verizon's current unlocking policies.

 

[anon(7901790)]

Does anyone know if the Verizon Version is SIM unlocked?

It should be. All Verizon devices are supposed to be SIM unlocked.

 

[anon(7901790)]

These are Verizon's current unlocking policies.

That link is Verizon FIOS.

 

[anon(7901790)]

I believe after 45 days active it is

Actually, it is supposed to be unlocked out of the box. However, because of an uptick in armed robberies at Verizon stores, Verizon asked the FCC for a waiver to allow it keep the device locked for up to 60 days after purchase.

That out of the box policy was because of a deal Verizon did with the FCC. Verizon got hammered by the FCC because it was not allowing tethering, nor was it allowing 3rd party navigation apps to use the GPS. Additionally, Verizon had to agree to its devices being unlocked out of the box as part of a 4G spectrum purchase deal.

In the past few years, there have been some high profile broad daylight armed robberies of Verizon stores. Armed robbers literally would pull up to a Verizon store in a van in broad daylight and steal a bunch of phones and tablets at gun point.

The 60 day unlock was to act as a deterrent to would be robbers.

 

[ClintRo]

I am curious how the automatic unlock is triggered. I tried to install an A&TT sim and it didn't work.

 

[anon(7901790)]

I am curious how the automatic unlock is triggered. I tried to install an A&TT sim and it didn't work.

How long have you had the tablet?

 

[ClintRo]

Since August 15th

 

[anon(7901790)]

Since August 15th

Was the AT&T SIM card already unlocked? It may be the AT&T SIM is locked to another device.

 

[anon(7901790)]

Here is Verizon's unlock policy:

https: / / www.verizon.com/ about/ consumer-safety/ device-unlocking-policy


"“Unlocking” a device refers only to disabling software that would prevent a consumer from attempting to activate a device designed for one carrier’s network on another carrier’s network. Due to differing technologies, an unlocked Verizon Wireless device may not work – or may experience limited functionality – on another carrier’s network."

Edit: For some reason when you click on the link, it takes you to Verizon's business FIOS page. Copy the above URL then remove the spaces and it should work.

 

[Mike Dee]

Actually, it is supposed to be unlocked out of the box. However, because of an uptick in armed robberies at Verizon stores, Verizon asked the FCC for a waiver to allow it keep the device locked for up to 60 days after purchase.

That out of the box policy was because of a deal Verizon did with the FCC. Verizon got hammered by the FCC because it was not allowing tethering, nor was it allowing 3rd party navigation apps to use the GPS. Additionally, Verizon had to agree to its devices being unlocked out of the box as part of a 4G spectrum purchase deal.

In the past few years, there have been some high profile broad daylight armed robberies of Verizon stores. Armed robbers literally would pull up to a Verizon store in a van in broad daylight and steal a bunch of phones and tablets at gun point.

The 60 day unlock was to act as a deterrent to would be robbers.

They started doing that apx a year ago but I'm not buying their reasoning behind it.

 

[anon(7901790)]

They started doing that apx a year ago but I'm not buying their reasoning behind it.

The FACTS disagree with your opinion. Also, the 60 day thing actually was over the summer (this past July to be exact). The FACTS of the matter are that in recent years, several Verizon stores were robbed in broad daylight. Verizon has an obligation to protect its employees and customers while in its stores. It also has an obligation to protect itself from fraud.

https://local21news.com/news/local/...multiple-suspects-in-robbery-at-verizon-store
https://www.waaytv.com/content/news...ng-to-armed-robbery-at-Verizon-560503671.html
https://www.riverbender.com/article...zon-wireless-armed-robbery-suspects-35970.cfm


https://www.fiercewireless.com/devices/verizon-implements-60-day-locking-policy-new-phones

"Verizon previously told the FCC that selling unlocked phones facilitated, and maybe even encouraged, increasing incidents of device and identity theft, which negatively impacted both the carrier and its customers. The thinking is that phones that can only work on single carrier’s network (locked) for a period are not as valuable on the black market and so not as appealing to fraudsters."

"Jeffrey Moore, principal at Wave7 Research, indicated there are real device-related fraud issues at national retail stores, such as people using fake IDs at stores like Walmart and Target to buy expensive devices like iPhones on equipment installment plans (EIP) and then resell them abroad.

Moore told FierceWireless that while some cynics might accuse Verizon of trying to reduce churn, he would disagree.

“I think Verizon is addressing a very legitimate concern,” Moore said."

 

[mustang7757]

Actually, it is supposed to be unlocked out of the box. However, because of an uptick in armed robberies at Verizon stores, Verizon asked the FCC for a waiver to allow it keep the device locked for up to 60 days after purchase.

That out of the box policy was because of a deal Verizon did with the FCC. Verizon got hammered by the FCC because it was not allowing tethering, nor was it allowing 3rd party navigation apps to use the GPS. Additionally, Verizon had to agree to its devices being unlocked out of the box as part of a 4G spectrum purchase deal.

In the past few years, there have been some high profile broad daylight armed robberies of Verizon stores. Armed robbers literally would pull up to a Verizon store in a van in broad daylight and steal a bunch of phones and tablets at gun point.

The 60 day unlock was to act as a deterrent to would be robbers.

I see , thanks for the heads up

 

[Mike Dee]

The FACTS disagree with your opinion. Also, the 60 day thing actually was over the summer (this past July to be exact). The FACTS of the matter are that in recent years, several Verizon stores were robbed in broad daylight. Verizon has an obligation to protect its employees and customers while in its stores. It also has an obligation to protect itself from fraud.

https://local21news.com/news/local/...multiple-suspects-in-robbery-at-verizon-store
https://www.waaytv.com/content/news...ng-to-armed-robbery-at-Verizon-560503671.html
https://www.riverbender.com/article...zon-wireless-armed-robbery-suspects-35970.cfm


https://www.fiercewireless.com/devices/verizon-implements-60-day-locking-policy-new-phones

"Verizon previously told the FCC that selling unlocked phones facilitated, and maybe even encouraged, increasing incidents of device and identity theft, which negatively impacted both the carrier and its customers. The thinking is that phones that can only work on single carrier’s network (locked) for a period are not as valuable on the black market and so not as appealing to fraudsters."

"Jeffrey Moore, principal at Wave7 Research, indicated there are real device-related fraud issues at national retail stores, such as people using fake IDs at stores like Walmart and Target to buy expensive devices like iPhones on equipment installment plans (EIP) and then resell them abroad.

Moore told FierceWireless that while some cynics might accuse Verizon of trying to reduce churn, he would disagree.

“I think Verizon is addressing a very legitimate concern,” Moore said."

I'm not disputing the facts. I don't buy that those facts are the motivating factor behind their policy.

The 60 plan was fully implemented in July but their intent was announced in 2018

 

[anon(7901790)]

I'm not disputing the facts. I don't buy that those facts are the motivating factor behind their policy.

The 60 plan was fully implemented in July but their intent was announced in 2018

In other words, the facts don't jive with your beliefs so you ignore them.

 

[Mike Dee]

In other words, the facts don't jive with your beliefs so you ignore them.

There are no other words, and I am not ignoring anything. I'm free to draw my own conclusions.

 

[mustang7757]

In other words, the facts don't jive with your beliefs so you ignore them.

Mike's pretty knowledgeable person

 

[Mike Dee]

Mike's pretty knowledgeable person

I would just like to know why I wasn't born rich instead of so damn handsome and knowledgeable

 

[mustang7757]

I would just like to know why I wasn't born rich instead of so damn handsome and knowledgeable