Which is worse? HTC keeping 4mp camera or Samsung keeping plastic design?

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metal phones like the iPhone 5 and M8 look really nice and feel really nice, but that is about it. Metal wears much worse than plastic imo, and the back of my S4 can be changed if it gets damaged. When I had an iPhone I HAD to buy a case for it as I was scared of putting it down anywhere and scratching it. my S4 is naked and gets plonked on all sorts of surfaces and there is barely a scratch on it.

plastic/poly-carbonate is a much more practical material.
 

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I really like the new M8 and I appreciate that HTC is not giving up, but I think the Samsung hate has consumed some people to the point of no return.

A 4mp shooter is absolutely unacceptable for a flagship. Especially one that takes mediocre photos. Every reviewer thus far, including A/C, has been pretty upfront about the M8's shortcomings. If you don't take photos or don't care about poor image quality, this is a moot point. But I take a lot of photos and rely on my camera as my primary shooter. I went to Europe for four months and had to use a GS3 Mini since I lost my GS3. The Mini, which is practically two years old I might add, had a 5mp shooter. Zooming in was a painful experience with just 3mp less than I was used to. Differences in photo quality weren't just present, but they were clear as day. I ended up lugging around my Cybershot with me because I couldn't stand it. Point is, in taking a photo of mom and grandma, you're not going to notice the difference. But in the real world - at a baseball game, or in a massive crowd at a concert - zoom is very important. And a 4mp shooter just can't do the job in my experience, regardless of what imaging technology is baked behind it. There's a reason why cameras do not come with 4mp anymore.

The GS5's camera looks mighty impressive. 16mp is a big improvement over my GS3's 8mp shooter, and I think its new features are going to go a long way in fixing what I didn't like about the GS3. I was impressed by the speed at which the GS5 was taking photos in hands-on impressions. And dat flash looks as bright as ever. Could've helped to bring OIS on board, but I'm confident the GS5's camera will be a beast nonetheless.

I have to agree with others that the metal design of the M8 is being overblown. Every single other iPhone I see is cracked, dented, and torn up - or it's in a big black Otterbox or Lifeproof case. Metal and aluminum scratches easily. Smartphones are not televisions or microwaves. You are inevitably going to drop your phone at one point or another. What I love about my GS3, which is in a big Otterbox case, is that I don't have to fret or have palpitations when it falls (even when it's not in its case). HTC's screen replacement service is certainly reassuring, but it's a pain to replace your phone regardless of whether it's free or not. And the water resistance is a BIG DEAL.

I resent the idea that the S5 isn't 'premium' enough. Premium and practical are not mutually exclusive.

My only concern about the S5 is how bloatware affects performance. I don't mind any of Samsung's latest software additions but they really need to add the option to delete some of their software. Nobody I know uses ChatON and I certainly don't. Flipboard is great but I shouldn't be required to use it. I understand a handful of Samsung-specific software, but in preferring most of Google's software, having double the apps (several of which never seem to stop running in the background) can definitely slow down a phone.

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This.

It does matter, but it should be at the bottom of the list. Functionality matters far more.

I think they're just as important. On average a person looks at their smartphone 100 times a day, why would you want to look and hold a craply-designed product. It's all part of the experience, as much as functionality and performance.
 

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I think they're just as important. On average a person looks at their smartphone 100 times a day, why would you want to look and hold a craply-designed product.
Because it is a tool, not jewelry.

And I say that without sarcasm. That is the real answer. It's a tool. I might be able to appreciate a good looking hammer, but at the end of the day, the one that is better at driving nails is going to be the one I prefer. I would only care about looks if the functionality was the same.
 

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I think they're just as important. On average a person looks at their smartphone 100 times a day, why would you want to look and hold a craply-designed product. It's all part of the experience, as much as functionality and performance.

If the functionality of the phone is important to you, and if you're sensible and careful with sensitive high-tech gadgets, you will protect the phone with a bumper case or a flip cover or similar. That radically changes the entire phone's appearance and completely hides its backside. So then you paid for the phone's prettiness but can't even see it IRL...
 

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Looks do matter. I don't want to belittle her opinion. I agree they matter.

But when choosing a $400 to $700 device that I am going to use to make my life easier, the case is not the first thing that I will be concerned about. It is on the list, but it should not be at the top of the list IMO. Not unless the phone already has great functionality for what I use it for.
 

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Because it is a tool, not jewelry.

And I say that without sarcasm. That is the real answer. It's a tool. I might be able to appreciate a good looking hammer, but at the end of the day, the one that is better at driving nails is going to be the one I prefer. I would only care about looks if the functionality was the same.

While I agree 100% with you here, to some, looks are as, if not more, important than performance. To them, cool.... to each their own. But, personally, when I read about all the hoops that both HTC and Apple had to jump through to manufature the enclosures... specialized tooling, crazy and complex machining... All I though was "Why?" It's a phone.... put that money into a better screen, get a better CPU, design a better camera.... don't go overboard pumping money into a component of a product that, in my humble opinion, does absolutely nothing to improve the function of the phone just to win some beauty points.
 

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For me it came down to the physical home button. I hate the buttons on the screen. Every time I send a text message and have to hit the space bar, most of the time I hit the home button by accident.
 

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A 4mp shooter is absolutely unacceptable for a flagship.

You should really try it and check out some consumer comparisons. It's a really nice cam. That 4mp is far more detailed than my 8mp because detail has more to do than just the MP rating. Phone journalists aren't the best judges of artistic media. I'm shopping between these two phones myself and have been delighted with the M8 pics I've seen and taken.
 

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Moderator note: Merged the duplicate threads.
 

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I personally think the S5 is THE MOST HIDEOUS smartphone I've ever seen. I can't stand that horrid back cover with its dot matrix design. UGH. Seriously, I can feel my eyes bleeding every time I look at it. The S5 is like Quasimodo's ugly cousin. The M8 however, mmm... it's like looking at pornography.

HOWEVER.

If I had to choose, I'd pick the S5 over the M8 any day. It's the better engineered product. The S5 has a larger screen and yet it's 2 oz lighter. The removable battery is a godsend in this day and age since you can upgrade to 7,000mah batteries if you wanted. Both have microSD, which is great. The biggest downfall of the M8 is that crappy, crappy camera. I've seen the pictures it takes and there's no denying that it's only 4 MP. Sure the pictures look great on a tiny 5 inch screen or on thumbnails - but blow it up on your desktop and you can see the grains and pixels. Ew.

Sorry but I'll pick brains over beauty any day. If your partner is hideous, you can put a paper bag over her head. But if your partner is an airhead, there's no amount of math problems you can teach her to make her shut up about Kim Kardashian.
 

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Crappy crappy camera? I think there are a lot of people commenting about things they have no hands on with. Sounds like a bunch of regurgitation of others opinions.

As for the look and feel of a high end phone. Is part of the overall package...

I want a phone that looks good, feels good, works good and lasts. I want the total package plain and simple but no phone has the best of everything.

The One M7 was liquid smooth had a great display and a good camera with great functionality. Front speakers with top notch sound and a sleek design that is pleasant to look at. I hope the M8 will bring more of the same.

The One, S5, Note, Moto X, G5, IPhone... These are great phones, you just have to choose what has the most features that suit your needs.

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Do people even have experience with the m8? It's not a mega pixel it's a ultra pixel. The actual photos that are taken with the m8 are actually very nice. Much better than the previous one. When you are looking on your phone or even you're computer you can't tell a big difference. I personally hate Samsung and the design and touchwiz. I went with lg this go around because I got a bad taste in my mouth with the first one and battery life. They are both great phones and ultimately it comes down to personal choice. There are winners on both sides. Just unless you have used each for yourself don't bash what you don't know. The ones ultra pixel is a very good camera and yes I've used it and seen the pictures.

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Do people even have experience with the m8? It's not a mega pixel it's a ultra pixel. The actual photos that are taken with the m8 are actually very nice.
I actually agree with this. The camera is not a quantum leap beyond the current generation, but I don't see any huge problems with it. MP is way overrated as a spec. 4MP is a bit low, but its not THAT low. Quality matters more than MP. People keep forgetting that this is not like other 4MP cameras. It is doing hardware downsampling.

Much better than the previous one.
Yep. This is a night and day improvement over the 2013 One.
 

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I was able to put hands on the 5 and the m 8 this week. Exterior, I personally like the shape, design and feel of the m 8. However, that doesn't mean the 5 is not nice. When or if you put a case on the 5, who cares what it's made of. Without a case, the 5 is very good looking where as it doesn't feel cheap or too big. The back of the phone feels nice and not like a fake piece of plastic or pleather. Huge difference in camera. Shutter speed much quicker on the 5. M 8 pictures were grainy and pixelated. I felt that the 5 was easier to navigate, but that could be mostly to me currently having the 3. It just seemed like the 5 is a much more sound phone than the 8. HTC built a great phone, but I think the 5 is better. Having a removable battery is a plus for me. If you can make it out to best buy to see the 5, and Verizon to see the m 8, you will be able to judge for yourself. Putting hands on helped make my decision for which one to get. Now, if only Verizon would stop playing games and officially say that they will be available on April 11 th like all the other carriers!

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The camera was horrible in the HTC one and one of the few complaints about it, to keep it for the HTC one + (2014)(m8) and whatever else this new phone is named, was complete failure. A friend of mine upgraded from his 2011 DROID Bionic to the HTC one about half a year ago. Fell in love with the one but complains the camera takes lower detailed and blurred images compared to the Bionic. My personal opinion the galaxy s3/note 2 cameras from 2012 are much better than HTC ultra pixel garbage.

I also don't care for a heavy metal phone either. Either way I put my phone is a case and cases are plastic. The HTC One(m8) is a nice a nice looking phone, has most things important to me, but I would take the s5 any day because of the superior camera, water proof design, and replaceable battery.

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Either way I put my phone is a case and cases are plastic.

The cheap ones, yes. But they can also be metal, leather, or even wood. And they can be silicone rubber, which is not much more expensive than plastic ones but has far superior shock absorbing qualities.
 

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Do people even have experience with the m8? It's not a mega pixel it's a ultra pixel. The actual photos that are taken with the m8 are actually very nice. Much better than the previous one. When you are looking on your phone or even you're computer you can't tell a big difference. I personally hate Samsung and the design and touchwiz. I went with lg this go around because I got a bad taste in my mouth with the first one and battery life. They are both great phones and ultimately it comes down to personal choice. There are winners on both sides. Just unless you have used each for yourself don't bash what you don't know. The ones ultra pixel is a very good camera and yes I've used it and seen the pictures.

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Megapixels, ultra pixels, super pixels - you can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig. 4mp is still 4mp. It doesn't matter how HTC sugarcoats it. The reviews have universally bashed the camera and the photos look worse than those I took on my $200 (off contract) Galaxy S3 mini - a two year old mid range device with a 5mp shooter. If you want to zoom on a 4mp camera, I say forget it. I'm not going to sit frustrated at a baseball game or in a large crowd dealing with blurry and choppy zoom. What's a contextual dual lens if your photo sucks anyways.

Samsung is by no means producing cutting edge design or jaw dropping interfaces. But at least they are smart enough to focus their time, energy, and money on features that matter. The damn camera. I find it absurd that Samsung has drawn deep criticism for 'gimmicky' features when year after year, they seem to get the most important stuff right. A great camera, a great screen, durability, and functionality. If HTC would've just ditched the gimmicky megaultrasuperduperpixel in favor of a familiar shooter, they probably would've won the race.

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HTC ones camera blows the S3 away

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