1. s14tat's Avatar
    With all this talk about tiered data plans, what is everyones data usage on there charge? I heard that 4g uses up data faster. I use just over 2gb a month on my fascinate, but that is only 3g. I'm trying to decide if the new pricing will effect my bill much since I'm in the 2gb bracket. Thanks in advance guys.
    06-22-2011 06:20 PM
  2. jkeene81's Avatar
    If you are already a Verizon customer, you will be able to keep your unlimited data. Android Central has the official word from Verizon that if you have a contract from before July 7th you get to keep your plan even if upgrading later! http://www.androidcentral.com/verizo...omplete-detail
    06-22-2011 06:49 PM
  3. yankees368's Avatar
    Yeesh, I am at just over 3GB after just 15 days!
    Granted, most of that is probably speed tests :-)
    My average use on 3G was a DroidX was half a gig.
    06-22-2011 07:35 PM
  4. s14tat's Avatar
    jkeene81, what it doesn't specify is what happens when you go from 3g to lte. Would I have unlimited data on LTE as well?

    Also yankee, that is crazy how much more data you are using. Are you using your phone the same way? I mean it seems to me that you barely used your Droid X if your only using .5 gb a month. I don't consider myself to be a heavy user but I still use 2 gb.
    06-22-2011 07:55 PM
  5. stabbedintheface's Avatar
    I'm a pretty heavy user, but I'm literally in a wifi area 90% of the time (home/work)...and I still somehow use just over a gig.

    I'm not sure how I'm even doing that.... I don't tether, I don't use Pandora, I just email. Anything more than that and I bust out my xoom.

    I wonder if some of the stuff goes the cell data even when I'm on wireless?
    06-22-2011 08:07 PM
  6. El Jefe's Avatar
    jkeene81, what it doesn't specify is what happens when you go from 3g to lte. Would I have unlimited data on LTE as well?
    Yep.

    From the article in the link jkeene provided:
    "You'll also be able to keep the $29.99 unlimited plan when you upgrade to a new phone."
    06-22-2011 08:11 PM
  7. s14tat's Avatar
    Yep.

    From the article in the link jkeene provided:
    "You'll also be able to keep the $29.99 unlimited plan when you upgrade to a new phone."
    See that is still worded pretty ambiguously. Not all new phones are 4g, you can still upgrade to another 3g phone such as the droid x 2 or droid 3.
    06-22-2011 08:25 PM
  8. shrugger's Avatar
    See that is still worded pretty ambiguously. Not all new phones are 4g, you can still upgrade to another 3g phone such as the droid x 2 or droid 3.
    Yes. There is no distinction between 3G and 4G in Verizon's data plans.
    06-22-2011 08:29 PM
  9. jkeene81's Avatar
    Yea that was a shocker for me too, Big Greedy Red is not charging extra for 4G!!!!!
    06-22-2011 08:34 PM
  10. yankees368's Avatar
    jkeene81, what it doesn't specify is what happens when you go from 3g to lte. Would I have unlimited data on LTE as well?

    Also yankee, that is crazy how much more data you are using. Are you using your phone the same way? I mean it seems to me that you barely used your Droid X if your only using .5 gb a month. I don't consider myself to be a heavy user but I still use 2 gb.
    I am using the phone differently now that I have data that is fast (and works). Verizons 3G network here in Michigan has been shot for months, so most of my time was spent on WiFi. However, I almost never need to turn wifi on anymore, so all my data is really being done on LTE. Things I used to do, like download 40+MB podcasts are now counting against my data.
    Also, I run a lot of speed tests for fun, and those take up a LOT of data.
    06-22-2011 08:37 PM
  11. waterfrontmgmt's Avatar
    i am guessing thats because all their phones will be switching over to 4g over the next two years.

    Yea that was a shocker for me too, Big Greedy Red is not charging extra for 4G!!!!!
    06-22-2011 09:15 PM
  12. CaddyDave's Avatar
    I used 10gb on my tb last month
    06-22-2011 09:39 PM
  13. dm33's Avatar
    Yea that was a shocker for me too, Big Greedy Red is not charging extra for 4G!!!!!
    How nice of them. Provide a super fast pipe but charge you the same as 3G if you use it. And compared to today's prices, they're greatly increasing the price for everyone and letting you hit the limit 10 times faster.

    LTE is up to 10 times faster. So you can run through 2GB 10 times faster. So why is it useful to have LTE? At 20mbps, you can use up 2GB in 17 MINUTES. What are you supposed to do the rest of the month?

    Basically LTE's faster speed doesn't let you do anything new. Its useless. Forget video calls, streaming video etc. That will chew up 10GB, even 20GB very very quickly.

    Verizon has managed to strangle LTE to death before its even rolled out.

    Typical old world company, try to money grab every cent it can get out of consumers so that a new market never emerges.

    If it hadn't been for the iPhone and Android pushing open internet access on phones, we'd still be paying $50 for feature phone access to Verizon specific websites. For only $3/mo you can get Verizon news website. Woohoo!
    I'm sure they're making more money now that they opened it up and everyone pays $30/mo.

    Yet they'll choke it again. If they had made it more reasonably priced, they get everyone hooked on video streaming, video calls. But its not an option at anywhere near these prices.

    Given LTE is 10x faster, they should have encouraged use by pricing 20GB/mo LTE as a premium over 3G. Maybe $40/mo for 20GB/mo LTE, or $30/mo for 2GB 3G. Thats incentive to use the new network. Now, there's no incentive. Prohibitively priced.
    06-22-2011 11:05 PM
  14. UncleMike's Avatar
    Maybe I'm missing something here, but I'm baffled as to why people think their data use will skyrocket when they move from 3G to LTE. Say you're streaming music - it will still take you 3 minutes to listen to a 3 minute song; you won't be downloading more data for that 3 minute song, it will just happen faster. The same goes for videos.

    What is likely to happen is that usage habits will change after moving to LTE, but with the same behavior on the user's part there should be no increase in data use after moving to LTE. What am I missing?
    06-22-2011 11:39 PM
  15. s14tat's Avatar
    I'm hoping that is the case here unclemike. That is why I'm asking this question for the people who went from 3g to lte with the same usage.
    06-23-2011 12:38 AM
  16. r007's Avatar
    The biggest difference between 3g and 4g data usage for me is video chat. I can easily blow through 7gig a month on video chat (when I am not on WiFi)

    The second biggest change is with more bandwidth, apps like Netflix and Hulu or video podcast become more practical to watch with higher speeds. So, even if you do not use the data now, you might be pushing to that limit soon as new apps come out

    Further, moving into 4g, the dynamics of what a smartphone can be used for are changing. It's like the difference between dial-up and broadband. At the time people did not know what you would ever need more than 56kbs for. Now, people could not dream about not having fast speed.

    The biggest issue with putting caps like this on 4g is that it will hinder its ability and growth. People will use 4g the same as 3g and will not see its advantages. Developers will not develope radically new data-centric apps because no one will want to pay the data.

    By doing this, they effectively reduce their 4g network down to their 3g network and their investment becomes lost, as customer will not see an advantage.

    Just my opinion. Take it or leave it.
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    06-23-2011 08:15 AM
  17. Anderain's Avatar
    Im kinda with r007. Now that I have a charge on 4G I use it for more. For instance watching youtube videos. On this screen with 4G I have absolutely no reason to go to a computer to watch something, which I usually did with previous phones.

    I run about 3gb/month btw, and I do use my more data now that I have 4G.
    06-23-2011 09:08 AM
  18. Suntan's Avatar
    Yea that was a shocker for me too, Big Greedy Red is not charging extra for 4G!!!!!
    ...Yet.

    Think about it, the number one way to keep people from adopting your new 4G network is to make them pay more for it.

    I would say the vast majority of cell users would quickly decide that the 3G they have now is fast enough if they were faced with the potential of having to pay an additional $10 difference between the two.

    Why do you think Sprint just upped everybodys data plan by $10, instead of just people with 4G phones?

    -Suntan
    06-23-2011 10:29 AM
  19. Anderain's Avatar
    ...Yet.

    Think about it, the number one way to keep people from adopting your new 4G network is to make them pay more for it.

    I would say the vast majority of cell users would quickly decide that the 3G they have now is fast enough if they were faced with the potential of having to pay an additional $10 difference between the two.

    Why do you think Sprint just upped everybodys data plan by $10, instead of just people with 4G phones?

    -Suntan
    Eh, if it was only $10 I would go for the 4G...
    06-23-2011 10:40 AM
  20. mystiphi's Avatar
    I'm honestly not seeing the big problem with the new tiered plans. At least they gave us advance warning that this was going to happen. Just about everyone I know on any carrier has been grandfathered in with unlimited data. And most of them have more than one line.

    I agree that they will stunt development and curb the appeal of 4G by limiting people to 2GB of usage. That may turn off potential new customers. Check that... It definitely will turn off new customers. At this point, VZW has the upper hand though. They can really claim to have the fastest network. AT&T admitted they are 2-3 years behind on LTE while Sprint and T-Mo (as it currently exists) missed the memo.

    I left Blackberry because it wouldn't commit to innovative, appealing devices. I left T-Mo because they wouldn't commit to LTE (plus the spotty coverage). I went to Verizon and the Charge when I did because I was warned in advance that tiered data was coming. I definitely use more data now that I'm on 4G for many of the reasons r007 mentioned earlier. I've averaged about 3GB over the last two months.

    Did I really want to wait for the Bionic? Yes. Would I rather have had a Droid with a QWERTY? Of course. Did my new phone have to have 4G? Definitely. Did I believe Big Red would actually wait to allow new users to sign on for unlimited data after the Bionic finally dropped? Yeah right!! For those that have been waiting on that to happen, I suggest you try the Charge. Knock the battery life but you can't deny that it's a pretty sweet device. At the end of the day, I like $$$ and freedom to do what I want with a device more than the potential next great, limited to 2GB for the price of unlimited data device.

    The bottom line is we all saw this coming.
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    06-23-2011 02:13 PM
  21. bucrepus's Avatar
    Whether they told us, warned us or whatever.. The problem with tiered plans / 4LTE is the data caps are TOOO low. I have blown through over 5 GB in three weeks. 'Normal browsing', using video chat a couple of times, and watching a few HULU movies. I'm actually 'scared' to use the phone too much because VZ is griping so and placing expensive prices on the data. I have unlimited data, but I am sure if I use the phone somewhat heavily (like I want to) when the networks get more crowded I will be throttled. I am not abusing the network (in my opinion), but find it stupid to have to 'worry' and carefully tread on my data usage to keep from being throttled ( penalty more than just a billing period now). I should be able to video chat when I want to, VZ promotes it (and video stuff), but then they say they will drop the hammer on you or charge unreasonable fees if you do. 4LTE advanced services use data NOT proportional to what VZ sets caps at...

    Buc
    06-23-2011 03:31 PM
  22. UncleMike's Avatar
    The biggest difference between 3g and 4g data usage for me is video chat. I can easily blow through 7gig a month on video chat (when I am not on WiFi)

    The second biggest change is with more bandwidth, apps like Netflix and Hulu or video podcast become more practical to watch with higher speeds. So, even if you do not use the data now, you might be pushing to that limit soon as new apps come out

    Further, moving into 4g, the dynamics of what a smartphone can be used for are changing. It's like the difference between dial-up and broadband. At the time people did not know what you would ever need more than 56kbs for. Now, people could not dream about not having fast speed.

    The biggest issue with putting caps like this on 4g is that it will hinder its ability and growth. People will use 4g the same as 3g and will not see its advantages. Developers will not develope radically new data-centric apps because no one will want to pay the data.

    By doing this, they effectively reduce their 4g network down to their 3g network and their investment becomes lost, as customer will not see an advantage.

    Just my opinion. Take it or leave it.
    Even if your data usage remains the same, the fact that you're on LTE will improve the overall experience because there won't be any waiting or buffering (or it will be greatly reduced). But by having a cap, no matter how generous it is, users will be more conscious of their data use, and at times opt not to do something they would have otherwise done, for fear of needlessly approaching overage charges. So I think there is an advantage to LTE, even with the caps.

    Without an unlimited option, I feel the planned caps are too low. Even I realize that - with my average <200MB per month data usage. To me it's the equivalent of offering voice plans of 200, 500, and 900 minutes, with no unlimited option; there are too many users who will be going over their cap, and will be curbing their use to stay within it.
    06-23-2011 04:50 PM
  23. GramieDroid's Avatar
    When I bought my Granddaughter the kin one at Christmas, she only used the wifi and somehow there was a data charge to it. They had to do something on their end to stop the charging. Wonder if there is a correlation???? Are they somehow measuring all the data that comes from wifi and adding it in?? Can they do that ?
    06-23-2011 08:20 PM
  24. trifecta's Avatar
    Grandfathers or existing doesn't mean to us what it means to them so be careful. We added a data phone earlier this yr and took advantage of an offer attached to it. When the Charge came out, got it and dumped my Blackberry. Apparently I had a Blackberry plan even though it was always called a data plan. Changing to the Android platform(the phone we added.earlier was also Android)made me lose the promo.
    06-23-2011 08:43 PM
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