11-02-2010 10:55 AM
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  1. lolreconlol's Avatar
    Hi,

    I unplugged my phone this morning around 9 A.M, and sent about 50-100 texts today, and right now at 5:35 my phone is at 33%. The only thing that is running, is ADW.Launcher, and I've done LIGHT Twitter/Facebook checking throughout the day, maybe about 2-3 times each. I have Beautiful Widgets, but it's set to update every hour. I haven't talked on the phone at all, and my brightness is set to auto. My wifi is off, and I made sure I don't have GPS or anything on. What's killing my battery? My BB's battery life was 1000x better, I shouldn't have to baby this phone to have it make it through the day.

    I'm running JT's Clean D101 rom, and that's it.

    Edit - 32% now.
    10-31-2010 05:35 PM
  2. NOsquid's Avatar
    BB have better battery life, theyre also painful to use for anything besides text/email. Compromises...

    I'm convinced part of my perception that my BB had great battery life is due to the fact that i never browsed the web on it except unless it was urgent, whereas i do it all day on my fascinate.

    At your current rate youd probably make it 12hrs+ which isnt tooooo bad. Did you check the battery info in "about phone?" Anything interesting?

    Often the big difference between people on the forums is location. A lot of what kills a phone battery is searching for reception especially 3g. Some people just have great service where they live/work.

    You can try an app like juice defender to toggle your data if you want, some people have good results.
    10-31-2010 05:51 PM
  3. lolreconlol's Avatar
    BB have better battery life, theyre also painful to use for anything besides text/email. Compromises...

    I'm convinced part of my perception that my BB had great battery life is due to the fact that i never browsed the web on it except unless it was urgent, whereas i do it all day on my fascinate.

    At your current rate youd probably make it 12hrs+ which isnt tooooo bad. Did you check the battery info in "about phone?" Anything interesting?

    Often the big difference between people on the forums is location. A lot of what kills a phone battery is searching for reception especially 3g. Some people just have great service where they live/work.
    Without even using the phone, I went from 33-31% in 18 minutes. My signal is always around -90 dBm, it's -96 now.

    It's at 8h 48m 33s since unplugged:
    54% Display
    13% Standby
    10% Voice Calls
    8% Phone idle
    7% Android System
    3% ADW.Launcher
    2% Android OS

    Hehe, battery is at 30% now.
    10-31-2010 05:56 PM
  4. F34R's Avatar
    Yeah, that's a big part of the bb battery life perception; usage.

    While my battery seemed to last for days with my Tour, I didn't use it for more than facebook notifications, texting/mms, and phone calls. I'd occasionally have to check something on the internet, but it wasn't the norm.

    I'm using my Fascinate a lot more actively than the BB. I've gone 18+ hours, bringing it down to about 10%, with Tapatalk, browsing, phone calls, 200+ text/mms messages, camera, pic uploading, and my obligatory beautiful widgets updating.
    10-31-2010 06:09 PM
  5. packerbacker's Avatar
    Your battery life actually doesn't seem too bad! You don't seem to have any apps that are draining it, and it seems pretty standard that display and voice calls are two of the main battery hoggers.
    10-31-2010 06:36 PM
  6. joebob2000's Avatar
    The blackberry excuse of "yeah it lasts forever because you hardly use it" is serious bull****. I put in a lot of time on my bb storm, the only thing that would pull the battery down at any decent rate is heavy data usage. I would regularly have aim and bbm on line, do emails and tweets and web pages and messages and maps all day and the battery would never give up in less than 18 hours. The fascinate, with as much or less usage, maybe gets me 12 hours and that's if I lock the brightness as low as it will go.

    The bb platform, with a central data system to coordinate messaging, is just more efficient no mater how you cut it. I would elaborate but the battery on my fascinate is about to die. Sigh.
    10-31-2010 08:07 PM
  7. jeffnucci's Avatar
    Is the super clean ROM deodexed? I deodexed my phone and I'm getting better battery life.
    10-31-2010 08:34 PM
  8. F34R's Avatar
    The blackberry excuse of "yeah it lasts forever because you hardly use it" is serious bull****. I put in a lot of time on my bb storm, the only thing that would pull the battery down at any decent rate is heavy data usage. I would regularly have aim and bbm on line, do emails and tweets and web pages and messages and maps all day and the battery would never give up in less than 18 hours. The fascinate, with as much or less usage, maybe gets me 12 hours and that's if I lock the brightness as low as it will go.

    The bb platform, with a central data system to coordinate messaging, is just more efficient no mater how you cut it. I would elaborate but the battery on my fascinate is about to die. Sigh.
    Sorry, but your experience isn't universal. Don't be so arrogant to think that your usage and battery life is something automatically synonymous with Blackberry. I had the Tour since release date, up until a month ago, so I can surely testify to the experiences with battery life that I had. You mention nothing of voice calls, which would equally drain the battery down when included with all your other activities throughout the day.

    The Fascinate doesn't have quite the juice, but it's comparable, and with a larger screen and more usage that I had out of my BB with data and GPS.
    10-31-2010 09:29 PM
  9. Adiliyo's Avatar
    Is the super clean ROM deodexed? I deodexed my phone and I'm getting better battery life.
    yes, it is deodexed
    10-31-2010 10:12 PM
  10. joebob2000's Avatar
    Sorry, but your experience isn't universal. Don't be so arrogant to think that your usage and battery life is something automatically synonymous with Blackberry. I had the Tour since release date, up until a month ago, so I can surely testify to the experiences with battery life that I had. You mention nothing of voice calls, which would equally drain the battery down when included with all your other activities throughout the day.

    The Fascinate doesn't have quite the juice, but it's comparable, and with a larger screen and more usage that I had out of my BB with data and GPS.
    Only android arrogance is allowed here, my bad. I have gotten three days at a stretch (yes 72 hours) in voice/txt only use of my bb (roaming outside the us) and I am pretty sure an android phone couldn't dream of that. Data traffic kills smartphone batteries, and the bb platform has several novel ways to minimize traffic. If you can't recognize that, you are going to spend a lot of time trying to figure out why your phone only runs 12 hours on a charge. Yes, a bb can be drained fast if used heavily but this fascinate is dead faster on light use than my bb EVER was, even on heavy use. Screen inefficiency, chronic multitasking and inefficient data use are all possible culprits. But no, lets keep telling ourselves the browser is faster so it's obviously better than a bb.
    10-31-2010 11:02 PM
  11. Sta11i0n's Avatar
    I too came from BB, a Storm to be specific, and didn't have battery problems with it until about a month before I switched to the Fascinate. (I think my BB knew I was shopping elsewhere and making me pay for it) I used mine very heavily all its life. Playing music for hours each day, texting, bbm, web, etc... On its last leg, phone calls where its cryptonite. I could literally go from 85% battery to 15% after a 10 min phone call. So as you could imagine, my switch to the Fascinate has been nothing short of impressive. The only things I would recommend changing on your settings is the screen timeout to 30 seconds, and your backlight to a fixed setting, as low as you can tolerate (mines all the way down). I noticed a pretty considerable difference when I made those changes on mine after using it the first few days on auto. It is still tough for me to get an accurate judgment on this phones true battery life during regular usage since I'm still playing with downloading new apps and showing it off to friends to get a "real world" baseline. Your display is always going to be your biggest consumer of power, so I'd recommend doing as much as you can happily work with to keep that as dim and off as possible. Right now, I've been unplugged for over 13 hours, and am at 50% battery which includes some app shopping, text (approximately 200), web (shopping and videos) email, calls (30mins total), and some gaming.
    10-31-2010 11:09 PM
  12. voghan's Avatar
    It's almost midnight and I have 34% battery left. You need to not use auto brightness. Find a setting like 10% . You should also root your phone and remove all the Verizon apps. There are posts on that in the hacking forum. If you want the best possible battery life this is your solution.

    Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk
    11-01-2010 12:08 AM
  13. Adiliyo's Avatar
    blackberry's also have anemic cpu's and tiny screens.

    sure my tour got pretty good battery life, but i couldn't do as much with it either. (or didn't want to because it was a bad experience)

    i get about 12-18hours on a charge with my fascinate though depending on use. it also seems to charge pretty quick, so 20-30 mins on a charger here and there is going to help a lot.

    this is all with autobrightness as well.
    11-01-2010 12:27 AM
  14. packerbacker's Avatar
    It's almost midnight and I have 34% battery left. You need to not use auto brightness. Find a setting like 10% . You should also root your phone and remove all the Verizon apps. There are posts on that in the hacking forum. If you want the best possible battery life this is your solution.

    Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk
    I fully concur.
    11-01-2010 06:15 AM
  15. F34R's Avatar
    Only android arrogance is allowed here, my bad. I have gotten three days at a stretch (yes 72 hours) in voice/txt only use of my bb (roaming outside the us) and I am pretty sure an android phone couldn't dream of that. Data traffic kills smartphone batteries, and the bb platform has several novel ways to minimize traffic. If you can't recognize that, you are going to spend a lot of time trying to figure out why your phone only runs 12 hours on a charge. Yes, a bb can be drained fast if used heavily but this fascinate is dead faster on light use than my bb EVER was, even on heavy use. Screen inefficiency, chronic multitasking and inefficient data use are all possible culprits. But no, lets keep telling ourselves the browser is faster so it's obviously better than a bb.
    I was actually speaking directly about my own experience. You stated in a general sense that the usage myth was bs. I explained fairly clearly that I was talking about my usage, and your usage doesn't necessarily speak for the bb using world. You can't possibly call the comparisons, between my bb usage and battery life vs my android usage and battery life, bs. You simply dismiss our accounts because yours was different. That's arrogance.

    Once I've ironed out what I want my phone to be doing, the battery life has been comparable to my BB, especially taking into consideration the usage, screen, cpu, etc.
    11-01-2010 07:01 AM
  16. emptycube's Avatar
    I just noticed that there is a setting for:
    WiFi Sleep Policy
    When screen times out
    Never when plugged in
    Never

    Mine was set to 'When screen times out'. Would it use less battery if it were set to 'Never'? When I'm at home I leave WiFi ON.

    It is located in Settings>Wireless & Networks>WiFi settings; then press the Menu button and select Advanced>WiFi Sleep Policy.
    11-01-2010 08:00 AM
  17. sjenkins1009's Avatar
    Wifi sleep policy is actually a battery saver. It shuts down the wifi on your phone after so long to prevent it from draining the battery. If you set it to never you will actually see less battery performance. I would reccomend at the very lowest, never when plugged in so this way when on battery it will still take Wifi into sleep mode.

    As for the comparisons people are having between BB and Android, two different OS's two completely different uses and enviorments. BB was designed as a company phone with a home option. BB browser is a low key mobile browser that usually displayed pages just like my dumb phone used to. BBM has never been something that can be turned on or off (least not that I have ever seen will have to check my old tour when i get home). Also, the other major difference goes back to where everyone is talking screen size.... the small screens on the tour, bold, curve, are screen displays only, so of course they are going to use less power, and then the storm, seriously people? All you have to do is look at the picture difference between the storm and the facinate and you are surprised that the Fascinate uses some more power?
    11-01-2010 08:10 AM
  18. jwebste9's Avatar
    Well I unplug phone at six thirty each morning. Gps always on. Beautiful widget updating every hour. School send twenty emails a day. I text non stop and check android central hourly. And play angry birds and I do t put phone on charger until ten or eleven and it will be at 15 percent. I would call it great battery life. O and wifi is on from 830-520. Rooted and removed some bloatware
    11-01-2010 08:39 AM
  19. joebob2000's Avatar
    I was actually speaking directly about my own experience. You stated in a general sense that the usage myth was bs. I explained fairly clearly that I was talking about my usage, and your usage doesn't necessarily speak for the bb using world. You can't possibly call the comparisons, between my bb usage and battery life vs my android usage and battery life, bs. You simply dismiss our accounts because yours was different. That's arrogance.

    Once I've ironed out what I want my phone to be doing, the battery life has been comparable to my BB, especially taking into consideration the usage, screen, cpu, etc.
    I havent found a single use case where the fascinate can outlast the BBs i have used. Maybe our luck is just different. If the android platform is supposed to work better than this, then maybe I need to ditch the fascinate. However, if we (the android community) are going to ignore the stuff the BB does right and simply say "hey look how terrible the browser is" then we are setting the bar WAY too low for a smartphone. I want to see Google competing with RIM on every level, not just multimedia, that's my point here. To date, I haven't seen it and I really get the impression that the kool-aid around here stops any of you from expecting that either.
    11-01-2010 09:02 AM
  20. emptycube's Avatar
    Wifi sleep policy is actually a battery saver. It shuts down the wifi on your phone after so long to prevent it from draining the battery. If you set it to never you will actually see less battery performance. I would reccomend at the very lowest, never when plugged in so this way when on battery it will still take Wifi into sleep mode.
    OK thanks, I guess I thought it switching back and forth between WiFi/Data everytime time I pick up the phone would use more battery. In any case, it can't be much more battery drain because I set my phone to 'Never' on Saturday @ ~2:00 PM and it was @ 50% late last night (so almost a day and a half) but I didn't use phone much.
    11-01-2010 09:40 AM
  21. Chris3D's Avatar
    To date, I haven't seen it and I really get the impression that the kool-aid around here stops any of you from expecting that either.
    I think you're comparing apples to oranges. On the hardware level, they're just too different to make any blanket conclusions with regard to battery life. The newest BB Torch, for example, has a 624MHz processor, a 3.2 inch screen and weighs 5.7 ounces. The Fascinate has a 1GHZ processor, 4 inch screen and weighs 4.1 ounces - 1.6 ounces LESS. And earlier BB's had even smaller (and sometimes FAR smaller) screens and slower processors.

    It is unfortunate that the carriers load up Android phones with all kinds of battery sapping bloat, but that can be solved by rooting and removing it. You won't get an argument from me that that shouldn't be necessary, but it is what it is.
    11-01-2010 09:46 AM
  22. joebob2000's Avatar
    I think you're comparing apples to oranges. On the hardware level, they're just too different to make any blanket conclusions with regard to battery life. The newest BB Torch, for example, has a 624MHz processor, a 3.2 inch screen and weighs 5.7 ounces. The Fascinate has a 1GHZ processor, 4 inch screen and weighs 4.1 ounces - 1.6 ounces LESS. And earlier BB's had even smaller (and sometimes FAR smaller) screens and slower processors.

    It is unfortunate that the carriers load up Android phones with all kinds of battery sapping bloat, but that can be solved by rooting and removing it. You won't get an argument from me that that shouldn't be necessary, but it is what it is.
    Newer, faster CPUs can be more efficient, especially in standby (see: pentium 4 2ghz vs core 2 solo 2ghz). I would never complain if the full throttle runtime is poorer on a newer, 1ghz 512mb ram device is less than an older 600mhz, 256mb ram device. However the standby time is just as bad (if not much worse) and there are other reasons for that (lack of sensible optimizations) than the cpu speed or features. We need to be asking the hard questions here, that is all i am saying. How can android get better?
    11-01-2010 11:24 AM
  23. voghan's Avatar
    There is a cool app called Auto WiFi Toggle. It checks to see I'd a WiFi network is available, if not it turns off WiFi, if found WiFi stays on. WiFi will save your battery a ton is being used.

    Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk
    11-01-2010 01:54 PM
  24. F34R's Avatar
    I havent found a single use case where the fascinate can outlast the BBs i have used. Maybe our luck is just different. If the android platform is supposed to work better than this, then maybe I need to ditch the fascinate. However, if we (the android community) are going to ignore the stuff the BB does right and simply say "hey look how terrible the browser is" then we are setting the bar WAY too low for a smartphone. I want to see Google competing with RIM on every level, not just multimedia, that's my point here. To date, I haven't seen it and I really get the impression that the kool-aid around here stops any of you from expecting that either.
    You are misunderstanding my position. I'm saying that with the amount of use I have with the Fascinate, the batter life is comparable to my Tour with the way I used it.

    If I used my Tour for the amount of stuff I use my Fascinate, I'm sure the battery life would suffer a lot more than it did with the type of usage I had for my BB.

    Can the battery life improve? Of course it can. I look at different ways to do just that, every day. What services are being used that don't need to be, bloatware, etc., all taking juice that I don't need it. I love my BB, and miss the functionality I had with it. However, I've grown into wanting a little more out of my phone, and the Fascinate gives that to me. Have I made a sacrifice in pure battery life? Yes. Have I gained a lot more flexibility, usage, and other features, at the cost of some of that juice? Yep. I'm still able to get through my daily activities, raging from 12 to 18 hours without thinking I have to stop doing X to save my battery.
    11-01-2010 04:27 PM
  25. voghan's Avatar
    Actually, I can get three or four days on my HTC Hero. It's rooted, running a custom rom with almost no usage at all. it's my test phone with no coverage, just wifi. I still get gmail emails and texts via google voice. It's got a 3.2" screen that is drastically darker than the Fascinate's. I maybe pick it up five times a week when I want to test a change to my app on a phone with a small screen. See a Android phone can go multiple days without charging.
    11-01-2010 04:46 PM
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