08-03-2011 08:20 AM
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  1. CanUFeelIt's Avatar
    Thank you I didn't mean to put words in anyone's mouth that is just how it read to make it seem like that. And I agree I can see some very angry bionic fanboys when the gs2 comes out with lte and its unlocked bootloader and better screen I can only imagine what will happen. Then again they will be in denial like all the iphone fanboys lol.
    For making fun of iphone fanboys you sound very similar to one of them.

    Oh, and Bionic "fanboy" here..I could care less if GS2 comes in 4G
    07-31-2011 06:56 PM
  2. redraider133's Avatar
    For making fun of iphone fanboys you sound very similar to one of them.

    Oh, and Bionic "fanboy" here..I could care less if GS2 comes in 4G
    I had an iphone 4 for like 2 weeks didn't like it. If you are getting the bionic then why are you on here? Of course you don't care because you and many others are probably the ones who think their phones are the best no matter what. The thing is there is always something better and to each their own so if thats what you like then by all means grab one I am sure it will be a good phone hopefully it doesnt have many bugs when it launches.
    07-31-2011 07:47 PM
  3. chuckz28's Avatar
    It's about the Bionic fanboys who are terrified of the possibility that their beloved phone, which they've been waiting on seemingly forever, may be deemed inferior to the GS2 almost immediately.




    C'mon, buddy...it's not a stretch to say that "different all around" could easily be interpreted as "complete redesign". Nobody is trying to put words in your mouth. You just weren't very clear on exactly what you meant in your initial post.

    My apologies for not being more clear in my quick reply. I was wrong to assume everyone would know that each carrier would change the phone a little bit and my broad statement could be interpreted differently. My only point was they will change the design slightly, they could change it to fit LTE as they changed it for sprints version, but the question still remains if they did put LTE in or not. I'm getting the device regardless it just depends on how bad Verizon changes it on whether I get their version or Sprint's.
    07-31-2011 07:49 PM
  4. Castor Troy's Avatar
    It's about the Bionic fanboys who are terrified of the possibility that their beloved phone, which they've been waiting on seemingly forever, may be deemed inferior to the GS2 almost immediately.
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    Ahhhhhh!! Well that makes sense. I couldn't understand why some people would get so upset about the possibility. I was like "WTH is that all about?"

    Another thing that people like to toss around. The catchphrase "Binged" lol. Number one who cares. That gets stripped right out if you don't want it. Takes all but 3 minutes. Secondly its a stupid search engine. I spend maybe .00000000034 minutes a year on searching things on my handset. It can be yahoo for all I care lol.

    Binged sminged.......trivial

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    07-31-2011 08:28 PM
  5. redraider133's Avatar
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    Ahhhhhh!! Well that makes sense. I couldn't understand why some people would get so upset about the possibility. I was like "WTH is that all about?"

    Another thing that people like to toss around. The catchphrase "Binged" lol. Number one who cares. That gets stripped right out if you don't want it. Takes all but 3 minutes. Secondly its a stupid search engine. I spend maybe .00000000034 minutes a year on searching things on my handset. It can be yahoo for all I care lol.

    Binged sminged.......trivial

    Sent from my Droid
    I agree especially since the bootloader will be unlocked it will take nothing to remove bing. I think people are just trying to nit pick because everything about this phone is getting such great reviews they dont really have anything else to try and say is bad about the phone. Now until it reaches verizon that could be a different story but if they leave it alone then if all they have to say is bad is bing that is saying something about the quality of the phone.
    07-31-2011 08:36 PM
  6. 916ninja's Avatar
    Thank you I didn't mean to put words in anyone's mouth that is just how it read to make it seem like that. And I agree I can see some very angry bionic fanboys when the gs2 comes out with lte and its unlocked bootloader and better screen I can only imagine what will happen. Then again they will be in denial like all the iphone fanboys lol.
    You can ask CK, I'm a huge fan boy for the Bionic but I am waiting till the gs2 and Bionic are out before deciding which to buy. I'm just hoping gs2 is lte. If so, it won't be hard to decide which one I want. I am new to the gs2, so if it's confirmed to have lte, my bad.

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    07-31-2011 08:49 PM
  7. Castor Troy's Avatar
    Correct redraider and that's assuming it even ships with Bing. I think that contract is up if I'm not mistaken anyhow.

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    07-31-2011 09:04 PM
  8. CanUFeelIt's Avatar
    I had an iphone 4 for like 2 weeks didn't like it. If you are getting the bionic then why are you on here? Of course you don't care because you and many others are probably the ones who think their phones are the best no matter what.
    Easy killer! I plan on buying the GS2 regardless of 4g since the moment the Bionic was delayed. The only way I switch back to the Bionic now is if Verizon turns the GS2 into a slider/does something to really turn me off.
    07-31-2011 10:15 PM
  9. Droid800's Avatar
    A complete redesign is not required and I think that's what you are not understanding. The GS2 doesn't have to go from where it is now to the size of the Droid 2. We are talking a slight change but a change nonetheless.

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    They would have to completely redesign the PCB, just like they're having to do for WiMax. (and the WiMax chip is a lot smaller than any available LTE chip)

    If you want LTE, you're going to have to deal with a device at least as thick as the Charge.
    08-01-2011 12:04 AM
  10. Droid800's Avatar
    If you noticed he never said that this chip would be in the SGSII. He said he had no knowledge of that. All he said was that his source told him that it would have LTE. Realistically all anyone is doing is speculation so I don't see how the speculation for it being LTE equipped is any less valid then your speculation that it will not. Neither one has solid ground to stand on at the moment.

    Also, we already know that Samsung did a redesign of the phone to fit in WIMAX. No one is saying that the WIMAX chip is the same size as the LTE chip, but they are more similar in size then you would think. All people are saying is that since Samsung did a redesign of the phone to fit WIMAX I see no reason why they couldn't do it for Verizon. It makes sense considering how much time they have had since the phone was originally released.
    Go take a look at the PCB for the Charge. The LTE chip takes up more space than the Hummingbird and CDMA chip COMBINED. While I don't doubt that Samsung has the capability to redesign it to accomodate the LTE chip, the question is whether they would WANT to do it, since it would require a lot of compromises that would make the Verizon Galaxy SII a simply 'good' handset instead of an amazing one.

    I don't see them making those compromises. Instead, I see them choosing to wait until the second generation LTE chips are available.
    08-01-2011 12:09 AM
  11. MasterGiraffe's Avatar
    Go take a look at the PCB for the Charge. The LTE chip takes up more space than the Hummingbird and CDMA chip COMBINED. While I don't doubt that Samsung has the capability to redesign it to accomodate the LTE chip, the question is whether they would WANT to do it, since it would require a lot of compromises that would make the Verizon Galaxy SII a simply 'good' handset instead of an amazing one.

    I don't see them making those compromises. Instead, I see them choosing to wait until the second generation LTE chips are available.
    I understand that the chipset is big and the PCB has to span the length of the phone making it thicker and larger. The place that I differ from you is I think that adding LTE makes it an amazing handset. The main sacrifice they would have to make is the size of the phone. They would definitely had to make the phone thicker etc. Yes it does drain battery life, but its not like I am going to sit there with 4G on all day. I always found that to be one of the lesser problems with 4G at the moment because you can turn it on and off as you please.

    When I hear all of the news about how Verizon is being more difficult in terms of negotiations with the SGSII this is exactly what I think about. It just makes sense to me that Verizon asked Samsung to do it and Sammy was a bit resistant. Verizon threw their weight around a bit and said no we want you to put LTE in it and that is what is taking them so long. I don't really think that Samsung wants to do all of the work to redesign the phone, but I do think that Verizon is making them.
    08-01-2011 01:00 AM
  12. whiteshadow001's Avatar
    I understand that the chipset is big and the PCB has to span the length of the phone making it thicker and larger. The place that I differ from you is I think that adding LTE makes it a amazing handset. The main sacrifice they would have to make is the size of the phone. They would definitely had to make the phone thicker etc. Yes it does drain battery life, but its not like I am going to sit there with 4G on all day. I always found that to be one of the lesser problems with 4G at the moment because you can turn it on and off as you please.

    When I hear all of the news about how Verizon is being more difficult in terms of negotiations with the SGSII this is exactly what I think about. It just makes sense to me that Verizon asked Samsung to do it and Sammy was a bit resistant. Verizon threw their weight around a bit and said no we want you to put LTE in it and that is what is taking them so long. I don't really think that Samsung wants to do all of the work to redesign the phone, but I do think that Verizon is making them.
    Here is what I see happening. The new iPhone won't be LTE either because of what your talking about, unless they redesigned the LTE chip already. Samsung is competing directly with Apple, so if the new iPhone isn't LTE why would they need the SGSII to be LTE. Although it would make it even more appealing of a phone IMHO (not that it isnt already amazing!) But hey thats just my 2 cents.
    08-01-2011 01:14 AM
  13. redraider133's Avatar
    well they made the sprint version longer and thicker for wimax which is very similar in size to the lte chip. Not saying they will do this for verizon version
    08-01-2011 06:40 AM
  14. Friend-O's Avatar
    If you want LTE, you're going to have to deal with a device at least as thick as the Charge.
    Fine by me. The Charge is plenty thin in my eyes.

    While I don't doubt that Samsung has the capability to redesign it to accomodate the LTE chip, the question is whether they would WANT to do it, since it would require a lot of compromises that would make the Verizon Galaxy SII a simply 'good' handset instead of an amazing one.
    Can you please detail the "compromises" (aside from thickness) that would make the GS2 only "good" instead of "amazing" if it were to have LTE?
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    08-01-2011 08:33 AM
  15. eksplosions's Avatar
    I'm with Friend-O there, adding a bit of bulk will hardly make it any less amazing. If the phone came out in Thunderbolt thickness, it'd still be the same amazing phone people rave out without the "it's thinner than an iPhone" bit. I don't know about you, but I can live with that. I tried out a Charge and Thunderbolt and neither of them seemed too thick, though that's probably since I'm on a BB right now.
    08-01-2011 08:38 AM
  16. CanUFeelIt's Avatar
    Here is what I see happening. The new iPhone won't be LTE either because of what your talking about, unless they redesigned the LTE chip already. Samsung is competing directly with Apple, so if the new iPhone isn't LTE why would they need the SGSII to be LTE. Although it would make it even more appealing of a phone IMHO (not that it isnt already amazing!) But hey thats just my 2 cents.
    Yeah you already kind of answered it. If the GS2 is on par with its international counterpart, it's already a good competitor for the iPhone5. Throw LTE in and those non-hardcore iPhone fanboys in 4G areas will probably consider switching to the right side!
    08-01-2011 08:40 AM
  17. neowarcloud's Avatar
    They would have to completely redesign the PCB, just like they're having to do for WiMax. (and the WiMax chip is a lot smaller than any available LTE chip)

    If you want LTE, you're going to have to deal with a device at least as thick as the Charge.
    That would be only if their sticking with their original LTE chip. We don't know what radio we will end up with.
    08-01-2011 09:07 AM
  18. MasterGiraffe's Avatar
    Here is what I see happening. The new iPhone won't be LTE either because of what your talking about, unless they redesigned the LTE chip already. Samsung is competing directly with Apple, so if the new iPhone isn't LTE why would they need the SGSII to be LTE. Although it would make it even more appealing of a phone IMHO (not that it isnt already amazing!) But hey thats just my 2 cents.
    Yeah, but what you have to take into account is the cult following that the iPhone has. If the iPhone and the SGSII were on par and 100% identical in terms of tech specs the iPhone would outsell the SGSII in massive numbers. People will buy the iPhone for the sole reason that it is the next generation iPhone. I have a lot of friends who don't even shop around to see what other phones are like.

    It's the sad truth, but the only way for the SGSII to actually compete with the iPhone is to be better in a lot of selling points. If they end up with similar specs in terms of processor speed, ram etc., but the SGSII has LTE I think it might have a fighting chance to get people to think twice. Without LTE it has no chance IMHO.
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    08-01-2011 09:15 AM
  19. nemov's Avatar
    It's the sad truth, but the only way for the SGSII to actually compete with the iPhone is to be better in a lot of selling points. If they end up with similar specs in terms of processor speed, ram etc., but the SGSII has LTE I think it might have a fighting chance to get people to think twice. Without LTE it has no chance IMHO.
    I don't think it matters. People with iPhones won't even be concerned with 4G until there's an iPhone that has it. I don't think Samsung is worried very much about Apple. There's plenty of business they can take from HTC and Motorola.
    08-01-2011 09:28 AM
  20. DolfanCole's Avatar
    I don't think it matters. People with iPhones won't even be concerned with 4G until there's an iPhone that has it. I don't think Samsung is worried very much about Apple. There's plenty of business they can take from HTC and Motorola.
    That's almost like saying "X amount is enough profit. I know we can make more, but that'll be good". I doubt they think that way. If they can compete with Apple and put out a superior product (which IMO they do), I have to think that they'd want to do that. Problem is Verizon has a say in it too.
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    08-01-2011 09:46 AM
  21. androidjunkie30's Avatar
    My thing is the GSII was originally made with hspa+ which is somewhat 4G but if they take that out and just leave the 3G they would have to make it somewhat thinner or a little different and I don't think they will just leave it with 3G and I do expect them to put LTE in it but I'm still on the fence because I'm not sure if that will happen
    08-01-2011 09:51 AM
  22. Castor Troy's Avatar
    since it would require a lot of compromises that would make the Verizon Galaxy SII a simply 'good' handset instead of an amazing one.
    explain ALL the compromises that Samsung will have to make and how that translates into the Galaxy S 2 being just a simply good handset vs a great one

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    08-01-2011 09:57 AM
  23. Castor Troy's Avatar



    Can you please detail the "compromises" (aside from thickness) that would make the GS2 only "good" instead of "amazing" if it were to have LTE?
    hey good question



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    08-01-2011 10:01 AM
  24. Stang68's Avatar
    I'll say it again...I highly doubt Verizon would want to be left out of the "4G" marketing wars with the GSII. It's going to be "4G" on every other carrier, so why wouldn't Verizon want theirs to be 4G?
    08-01-2011 10:21 AM
  25. MasterGiraffe's Avatar
    My thing is the GSII was originally made with hspa+ which is somewhat 4G but if they take that out and just leave the 3G they would have to make it somewhat thinner or a little different and I don't think they will just leave it with 3G and I do expect them to put LTE in it but I'm still on the fence because I'm not sure if that will happen
    Yeah, it would be strange for them to take things out and either leave the empty space or make the phone smaller. It seems that if they are going to have to change the design they might as well change it for the better. The biggest problem that I have is Verizon's network. On any other network the lack of what they arguably call 4G wouldn't be as big of a problem. With Verizon though, they kind of skipped over the 3G technology in order to get to 4G faster. If the SGSII doesn't have 4G then it will be a pain because Verizon's 3G network is definitely one of the slowest out of all the 3G networks (especially in my area).
    08-01-2011 10:25 AM
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