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  1. DolfanCole's Avatar
    I completely agree. Sadly though I don't see this issue being solved until the technology advancement slows down a bit. Its moving at such a rapid rate that the software developers can't keep up. Eventually though, it will start to slow down and it will give manufacturers more time to pair their hardware and software together. Sadly that might not be any time soon though.

    Even though it would kind of be against the entire android universe, I think Google needs to start putting restrictions on their operating system and how it can be used. I don't mean make it more closed from a development aspect, but they need to take a bit more charge of it. The reason why Apple is so successful, not counting their ad campaign which is obviously working very well, is because they do both the hardware and the software design internally. I think Google should do a full review of the processors that are out there and pick 1 or 2 for the following year that they think would be best for their phones. Maybe they shouldn't go as far as mandating that everyone uses those processors, but they should at least very strongly suggest that everyone uses them. This would give them a much better shot at optimizing their software. I think they kind of already do this, but they might want to take a bit stronger stance in this area. It would also make it easier on developers because they would know what to expect in every android phone that is coming out, regardless of carrier and manufacturer.

    Sadly it would remove a bit of the choice and openness in the android community, but I think it would produce better phones in the end. It would still breed competition because everyone would be competing for the contract just like they do with Apple. It's not really Google's style though.
    I'm not sure why all of the processors make that much of a difference. Maybe I'm missing something or assuming something basic just isn't enforced. For instance, all of the processors should implement the same instruction set and architecture. That way, the software doesn't rely on the possible differences between the processors as they all would have the same interface. Now how the processors handle the instructions can be implemented differently, and that can be what separates them from a performance, battery life, etc. standpoint. If this isn't done (and it sounds like it's not), then Google should require it.
    08-05-2011 09:09 AM
  2. Jtav27's Avatar
    Correct. And I agree that the marketing will be more towards the WebTop capabilities for the Bionic. But, that doesn't discount the fact that the two devices are quite similar, particularly when you look at them from the average consumer's perspective. And that's what I had an issue with in your post that stated the two devices were entirely different. Based on your post though, I have a feeling that you didn't mean it the way that it came across.
    I have to say that I agree with both of you, wierd, i know. But hear me out. I believe that they COULD launch the same day. And although very similar specs, a lot of people will be thinking about the future and what not. Will they ever want a webtop?... possibly. But thinking like the tech guys, like most of us are, we do not have much desire to do any computing from the CPU of any phone that will be out anytime soon(with exception of phones that may be powered by khal-el or a similar chip). If we want to do things on a computer they are usually a bit more strain than a dual core Ghz cpu can handle. At least for me. But...the capability is there, like CK said, with the Bionic. Personally, I've actually been a bit peeved at Moto for not giving us more solid info earlier. With that said, similar specs and all, I'm still going to get whichever I think is better after getting both in my hands.

    I also think that another reason they could launch the same day is the possibility that the Stratosphere launch has been on the roadmap for a while and Bionic WAS in fact hard scheduled for an earlier release date but due to problems had to delay it. VZW does not lose in this situation. Two amazing phones coming out, same day...for me it will be like going to an amusement park when I was a kid when I walk into the Verizon store.

    Just my opinions, feel free to let me know what you think.
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    08-05-2011 09:12 AM
  3. Castor Troy's Avatar
    Jtav I agree with you. I think that its very possible that they could release both phones at the same time. Delaying the launch of one phone due to the problems of another phone only compounds their issues. It may not be the ideal situation but it is what it is at this point. This was unexpected and now both (moto and verizon) are forced to deal with it.

    Delaying the launch sets them up for even more problems than they are already dealing with.

    This whole post is an assumption based on the Stratosphere launching as the GS2


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    08-05-2011 09:48 AM
  4. chuckz28's Avatar
    I'm just not convinced the Stratosphere is a GS2. If the map is true (big if) then it shows the Stratosphere as THE only Samsung 4g device till the end of the year. We know for a fact that the slider is 4g due to photo leaks. I'm not sure, but hasn't The slider also passed the FCC? With all that evidence, simple deduction means that the slider is more imminent and can only be the Stratosphere and GS2 is either not 4g and launching as that 3G device on the 29th, or it isn't on the list. Not being on the list is a possibility as the iPhone isn't either.
    08-05-2011 10:08 AM
  5. DolfanCole's Avatar
    I'm just not convinced the Stratosphere is a GS2. If the map is true (big if) then it shows the Stratosphere as THE only Samsung 4g device till the end of the year. We know for a fact that the slider is 4g due to photo leaks. I'm not sure, but hasn't The slider also passed the FCC? With all that evidence, simple deduction means that the slider is more imminent and can only be the Stratosphere and GS2 is either not 4g and launching as that 3G device on the 29th, or it isn't on the list. Not being on the list is a possibility as the iPhone isn't either.
    But, there's nothing to say that the slider is not the GSII (or vice versa). Plus, the dates start on 9/1. It's plausible that the GSII and/or the slider can be released this month, and thus wouldn't be listed.
    08-05-2011 10:17 AM
  6. chuckz28's Avatar
    But, there's nothing to say that the slider is not the GSII (or vice versa). Plus, the dates start on 9/1. It's plausible that the GSII and/or the slider can be released this month, and thus wouldn't be listed.
    I'm hoping it isn't listed and it isn't the slider. Slider is a no go for me. As for a release this month I doubt it. Previous experience shows we would have something for evidence by now.
    08-05-2011 10:42 AM
  7. DolfanCole's Avatar
    I'm hoping it isn't listed and it isn't the slider. Slider is a no go for me. As for a release this month I doubt it. Previous experience shows we would have something for evidence by now.
    Each passing day with no new news makes the outlook for an August release less and less plausible. But, there's still time. I, on the other hand, wouldn't mind a slider variant of the GSII as long as nothing else changes. Coming from a BlackBerry, I appreciate the physical keyboard and don't mind the added thickness.
    08-05-2011 10:55 AM
  8. Castor Troy's Avatar
    I'm just not convinced the Stratosphere is a GS2. If the map is true (big if) then it shows the Stratosphere as THE only Samsung 4g device till the end of the year. We know for a fact that the slider is 4g due to photo leaks. I'm not sure, but hasn't The slider also passed the FCC? With all that evidence, simple deduction means that the slider is more imminent and can only be the Stratosphere and GS2 is either not 4g and launching as that 3G device on the 29th, or it isn't on the list. Not being on the list is a possibility as the iPhone isn't either.
    nothing from Samsung passed through the FCC (that we know of or have seen) and pics of that slider don't mean anything. The slider could be a development device that was scrapped, could be product that will launch (next month, next year), could be product that is in testing, product may never make it to market.

    Thats the thing with the Stratopshere. There has not been one mention/leak/rumor of it anywhere. It didn't exist 4 days ago. Stratosphere may not even be the slider OR the GS2, it could be an entirely different handset. I'm not convinced it's the slider or the GS2 or any other device. I'm only guessing it's the GS2 because more things point to it being that than anything else. Only evidence we have of the GS2 dropping anywhere is the campaign with the Telescope's and their CEO mentioning it will ship in August and Sprints version releasing soon. Thats why I am leaning toward the GS2 being the Stratosphere. Only evidence we have of it being the slider is a pic.

    EDIT: One last rumor that I forgot to add. Verizon is supposed to be the first to release the GS2 according to sources.

    Again we all could be wrong and it ends up being a device similar to the Droid Pro

    It could happen
    08-05-2011 11:00 AM
  9. Castor Troy's Avatar
    forgot to mention if the roadmap is true who would have thought the Revolution 2 would be coming out so soon? Lets assume this roadmap is true and it didn't leak but there was a rumor of a Revo 2. How many people would have been saying "Nonsense, they just released the Revolution!! They are not going to canabalize sales!" and on and on and on.

    We know nothing and ANYTHING is possible. Droid 2 and Droid 2 Global. Bet nobody saw that coming did they? We know nothing and our logic or preconceived notions about how things should go don't mean anything.
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    08-05-2011 11:21 AM
  10. chuckz28's Avatar
    forgot to mention if the roadmap is true who would have thought the Revolution 2 would be coming out so soon? Lets assume this roadmap is true and it didn't leak but there was a rumor of a Revo 2. How many people would have been saying "Nonsense, they just released the Revolution!! They are not going to canabalize sales!" and on and on and on.

    We know nothing and ANYTHING is possible. Droid 2 and Droid 2 Global. Bet nobody saw that coming did they? We know nothing and our logic or preconceived notions about how things should go don't mean anything.
    Well all I know is that BMX said it would only be 3G and I also know Bionic is in End user experience level testing at Verizon when the GS2 isn't. If they are supposed to launch the same day it should be there. Also not having an FCC final report yet doesnt help. I'm just super skeptical right now. Believe me I'd love an LTE GS2 to launch ASAP, I'm just not seeing much of a window of possiblity anymore.
    08-05-2011 11:45 AM
  11. BigDFSU's Avatar
    I meant to bring that up earlier, that seemed crazy to me that a Revolution 2 was going on sale so soon after the first one released.
    08-05-2011 11:49 AM
  12. BigDFSU's Avatar
    I have to admit that I am worrying slightly at the lack of info for the VZW S2. The window is starting to shrink if it is going for August. Don't know what to think about this Stratosphere launching the same day as the Bionic. There are differences between the Bionic and S2, but they both largely cater to the same crowd. Wouldn't make sense to me to release both on the same day unless this is just an issue of the Bionic delays and not wanting to delay the S2 as well because it would interfere with focus on the new iPhone that would launch soon. Only option after that is delaying the S2 until after the iPhone launch and risk pissing off Samsung and people waiting on this phone.

    I'm fairly sure I said nothing new after typing this, so basically I agree with the people who said this first.
    08-05-2011 11:58 AM
  13. Castor Troy's Avatar
    Slowie I don't think any of us think an August release is possible. The million dollar question is if the Stratosphere is the GS2.


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    08-05-2011 12:04 PM
  14. TeeSquar's Avatar
    I have to admit that I am worrying slightly at the lack of info for the VZW S2. The window is starting to shrink if it is going for August. Don't know what to think about this Stratosphere launching the same day as the Bionic. There are differences between the Bionic and S2, but they both largely cater to the same crowd. Wouldn't make sense to me to release both on the same day unless this is just an issue of the Bionic delays and not wanting to delay the S2 as well because it would interfere with focus on the new iPhone that would launch soon. Only option after that is delaying the S2 until after the iPhone launch and risk pissing off Samsung and people waiting on this phone.

    I'm fairly sure I said nothing new after typing this, so basically I agree with the people who said this first.
    Yep. The Bionic seems to have kicked into gear in regard to "leaks". New photos or info every day or two now.
    08-05-2011 12:05 PM
  15. geeksbsmrt's Avatar
    I see a lot of people concerned about the phones releasing on the same date. This may actually be better for VZW. I say this because they will be releasing the phones from different manufacturers. Some people are very brand loyal and will not buy another brand. So, by releasing a Moto and Sammy phone on the same day it is possible to actually make more money than if they only released one phone. Capitalism at its finest: Give the market choices and only good things can come.
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    08-05-2011 12:07 PM
  16. DolfanCole's Avatar
    Well all I know is that BMX said it would only be 3G and I also know Bionic is in End user experience level testing at Verizon when the GS2 isn't. If they are supposed to launch the same day it should be there. Also not having an FCC final report yet doesnt help. I'm just super skeptical right now. Believe me I'd love an LTE GS2 to launch ASAP, I'm just not seeing much of a window of possiblity anymore.
    Actually what BMX said was that the current generation of LTE chips would not fit into the current form factor of the GSII. Samsung could have come up with another LTE chip that could fit (didn't they use their own for the Charge?) or they could have made it thicker to accommodate. So, it's not out of the question that it can still be LTE.
    08-05-2011 12:08 PM
  17. MasterGiraffe's Avatar
    I'm not really as worried about not having info from the FCC. If we are assuming that the GSII might be the Stratosphere then it would be releasing on the same day as the Bionic. Have we seen the FCC documentation on the Bionic? Maybe I am just way out of it and I missed the Bionic passing the FCC, but until the Bionic passes I'm not going to worry about the SGSII and/or Stratosphere passing the FCC. It still has a couple of weeks to make it through before I would start to worry.
    08-05-2011 12:47 PM
  18. clearrants's Avatar
    I'm not really as worried about not having info from the FCC. If we are assuming that the GSII might be the Stratosphere then it would be releasing on the same day as the Bionic. Have we seen the FCC documentation on the Bionic? Maybe I am just way out of it and I missed the Bionic passing the FCC, but until the Bionic passes I'm not going to worry about the SGSII and/or Stratosphere passing the FCC. It still has a couple of weeks to make it through before I would start to worry.
    The Bionic passed through the FCC over a month ago

    Did the Motorola Droid Bionic just clear the FCC? | Android Central

    Also, the FCC confidentiality ends on Sunday.. unless Moto extends it of course.
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    08-05-2011 12:51 PM
  19. DolfanCole's Avatar
    I'm not really as worried about not having info from the FCC. If we are assuming that the GSII might be the Stratosphere then it would be releasing on the same day as the Bionic. Have we seen the FCC documentation on the Bionic? Maybe I am just way out of it and I missed the Bionic passing the FCC, but until the Bionic passes I'm not going to worry about the SGSII and/or Stratosphere passing the FCC. It still has a couple of weeks to make it through before I would start to worry.
    Yes, the Bionic has gone through the FCC. But there's still time. Whatever the Stratosphere is, it hasnt gone through yet.
    08-05-2011 12:51 PM
  20. MasterGiraffe's Avatar
    Haha oops I can't believe I missed something that important.

    Well that pretty much makes my phone point invalid, but it's true there is still a bit of time before we have to panic. More pictures of the Bionic leaked also. It really does seem like there is a new leak of pictures every day. Its only a matter of time before it is officially announced. Hopefully the SGSII follows right after.
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    08-05-2011 12:54 PM
  21. Castor Troy's Avatar
    Actually what BMX said was that the current generation of LTE chips would not fit into the current form factor of the GSII. Samsung could have come up with another LTE chip that could fit (didn't they use their own for the Charge?) or they could have made it thicker to accommodate. So, it's not out of the question that it can still be LTE.
    They used the VIA chip for the Charge. They do make their own LTE chip as well, yes.

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    08-05-2011 01:09 PM
  22. DolfanCole's Avatar
    Haha oops I can't believe I missed something that important.

    Well that pretty much makes my phone point invalid, but it's true there is still a bit of time before we have to panic. More pictures of the Bionic leaked also. It really does seem like there is a new leak of pictures every day. Its only a matter of time before it is officially announced. Hopefully the SGSII follows right after.
    Yeah, but my point is, the Stratosphere is scheduled for release the same day according to the roadmap. Whatever it ends up being, whether it's the GSII, slider, or whatever, the point is that it hasn't gone through the FCC, but yet it's still slated for the same release date as the Bionic. We should be seeing something soon to help decipher what the Stratosphere actually is.
    08-05-2011 01:19 PM
  23. shrugger's Avatar
    Well all I know is that BMX said it would only be 3G and I also know Bionic is in End user experience level testing at Verizon when the GS2 isn't. If they are supposed to launch the same day it should be there. Also not having an FCC final report yet doesnt help. I'm just super skeptical right now. Believe me I'd love an LTE GS2 to launch ASAP, I'm just not seeing much of a window of possiblity anymore.
    Except... Verizon is planning on releasing a Samsung device on Sep. 8. We don't know of the GS2 being in user testing, but we don't know of ANY Samsung device being in user testing.

    So if the 9/8 release is correct, then either 1) Verizon has the Stratosphere in testing and we haven't had any leaks yet; or 2) they aren't doing the same level of testing on the Stratosphere as they are on Bionic.

    If it's #1, there's no real reason to believe it is or isn't the GS2 vs. the slider. If it's #2, it makes it more likely it's the GS2 (a phone that has been widely tested around the world for months now- and only the Verizon-specific changes [LTE?] need to be tested out) than the slider.

    So, if the 9/8 date is valid for a Samsung LTE device, it seems to me that it's as least as likely to be the GS2 as the slider based on what we know so far.
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    08-05-2011 01:21 PM
  24. Jtav27's Avatar
    Except... Verizon is planning on releasing a Samsung device on Sep. 8. We don't know of the GS2 being in user testing, but we don't know of ANY Samsung device being in user testing.

    So if the 9/8 release is correct, then either 1) Verizon has the Stratosphere in testing and we haven't had any leaks yet; or 2) they aren't doing the same level of testing on the Stratosphere as they are on Bionic.

    If it's #1, there's no real reason to believe it is or isn't the GS2 vs. the slider. If it's #2, it makes it more likely it's the GS2 (a phone that has been widely tested around the world for months now- and only the Verizon-specific changes [LTE?] need to be tested out) than the slider.

    So, if the 9/8 date is valid for a Samsung LTE device, it seems to me that it's as least as likely to be the GS2 as the slider based on what we know so far.
    I agree. I doubt they would require the same testing for a phone that has been out in the rest of the world for many months now. But if it is the slider with GS2 internals you would think they would need more than just a month of testing due to such a big change in structure.
    08-05-2011 01:49 PM
  25. rosser's Avatar
    If BMX said that its too thin for the LTE version, and that they need to make it bigger, maybe they made it bigger but then it was too thick and so they just threw in a keyboard. I don't know anymore....
    08-05-2011 02:20 PM
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