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  1. delco714's Avatar
    Corp marketing would have an aneurysm.
    Aneurysm isn't a problem, it's the rupturing that truly is problematic
    09-21-2011 07:10 AM
  2. dsignori's Avatar
    ..

    Technology in smartphone hardware is advancing more rapidly now, and while the UI's still set each manufacturers phones apart, the REAL distinguishing factor is.... hardware. ...

    The smart consumer bases their purchase based on hardware, and longevity of device. UI's have no place for us, we will most likely remove them anyway.

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    Not for me. I think you made 2 opposite points in a way as well. Your name"oxymoron" might apply ! I am kidding of course, you have good points.

    However, I read that you said (1) The hardware is very very good on many new phones now (which I happen to agree completely with). and (2)You also say the UIs don't matter then (not sure why).


    Most people ("smart" or not) do not root their phones and flash ROMs. Many on these forums do of course, but many many "smart" buyers still do not. Like me, they may not want or need the fuss of having to flash ROMs, they want a good user experience out of the box.

    I think the UI is very very important, and at this point a good deal more important than many hardware aspects, given that so many new phones all ship with great specs now ..
    09-21-2011 08:59 AM
  3. Mooem's Avatar
    I'm leaning more and more towards believing Verizon's device will be pure stock ICS. Kellex from Droid-life has acknowledged knowing for a fact that this device is out in the wild with ICS and heard nothing about a skin being on top of it (as always take with a grain of salt!).

    I'm also inclined to believe reports of TouchWiz possibly being on early versions of the device as a temporary placeholder till Google was ready to release a workable build of ICS to OEMs. It makes sense to me. Aren't these phones in the planning and development stages of the hardware way ahead of Android releases?

    I also agree with the notion that if Verizon is going to be exclusive to the first ICS device for a time then it would be pertinent to have it stay a stock experience. The Droid moniker is irrelevant to it having a custom UI overlay like TouchWiz. Exclusivity is in of itself a differentiating factor if that were Samsung's or Verizon's concern. It could most definitely still have bloatware on it, however.

    Now that's not to say Samsung won't push out a later update with TouchWiz just like the Galaxy Tab 10.1 Nor does it mean Google hasn't already given some of the OEMs, like Samsung, ICS in parallel to them developing a custom UI for it. It's already a known fact that Google likes to work closely with certain OEMs.
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    09-21-2011 09:04 AM
  4. rickhamilton620's Avatar
    Not for me. I think you made 2 opposite points in a way as well. Your name"oxymoron" might apply ! I am kidding of course, you have good points.

    However, I read that you said (1) The hardware is very very good on many new phones now (which I happen to agree completely with). and (2)You also say the UIs don't matter then (not sure why).


    Most people ("smart" or not) do not root their phones and flash ROMs. Many on these forums do of course, but many many "smart" buyers still do not. Like me, they may not want or need the fuss of having to flash ROMs, they want a good user experience out of the box.

    I think the UI is very very important, and at this point a good deal more important than many hardware aspects, given that so many new phones all ship with great specs now ..

    I agree. When I look at phones, I look at how well the hardware and software work together. Software was a major factor in my decision to consider Samsung devices because *shocker* I actually like TouchWiz and the enhancement's that are made. I'm rooted and on a custom ROM now so I wouldn't equate a desire for manufacturer enhancements with "newbieness."


    Everyone's different though, so to a lot of people, a stock "just the basics-I'll customise by DL my favorite apps" experience is mighty appealing as well. If you swear by stock, then obviously software is playing a major role in your buying decision.

    I also agree with the other poster: its always smart to buy the highest end phone one can afford comfortably-more futureproof that way.
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    09-21-2011 09:21 AM
  5. oxymoron's Avatar
    Not for me. I think you made 2 opposite points in a way as well. Your name"oxymoron" might apply ! I am kidding of course, you have good points.

    However, I read that you said (1) The hardware is very very good on many new phones now (which I happen to agree completely with). and (2)You also say the UIs don't matter then (not sure why).


    Most people ("smart" or not) do not root their phones and flash ROMs. Many on these forums do of course, but many many "smart" buyers still do not. Like me, they may not want or need the fuss of having to flash ROMs, they want a good user experience out of the box.

    I think the UI is very very important, and at this point a good deal more important than many hardware aspects, given that so many new phones all ship with great specs now ..
    I agree "smart" was not the best term to use. What I meant was, well informed, tech savvy, and has a hunkerin' for some tinkerin'. I think "most" people on tech forums modify their devices in some way for performance.

    I think that to those people, the manufacturers UI is "less" important than hardware. I certainly have preferences for certain UI's over others, but it doesn't affect my decision to purchase or not to purchase. For me (and I think for most "techies"), the hardware is what sells the device. I try to ignore slick marketing, and get down to performance, or "ability" to perform outstanding after being tweaked. Even how "tweakable" a device is. Let's face it..... myself and most of the other users here are geeks! :-D

    The reason I said that the UI's don't matter to us, is simply because most of us here will not use it. We will use an alternative launcher/home replacement, and may also completely remove the manufacturers UI if possible.

    I know not everyone is into flashing ROM's and kernels. That's obvious by what percentage of the consumer base the development community makes up. But, that percentage is much higher on forums such as these. "We", is to whom I'm referring.

    You are correct, oxymoron I am. My name is based on the fact that people tell me, "For an intelligent guy, you sure do make some stupid decisions."

    Example.... I run the automation department at work. Do all the electrical design/programming of new equipment. I also knocked out one of my front teeth, and broke the other in half while riding a bicycle..... riding down a steep grade at approximately 30mph the front wheel began to wobble. I thought "That seems loose", at which point I lifted up on the handlebars. Yes, you know what happened.... the front wheel dropped out of the forks, and I used my face as an emergency brake on the asphalt.

    Sorry.... WAY off topic now.

    My next reply will be back on topic, promise ;-)

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    09-21-2011 09:33 AM
  6. dsignori's Avatar
    I agree "smart" was not the best term to use. What I meant was, well informed, tech savvy, and has a hunkerin' for some tinkerin'. I think "most" people on tech forums modify their devices in some way for performance.

    I think that to those people, the manufacturers UI is "less" important than hardware. I certainly have preferences for certain UI's over others, but it doesn't affect my decision to purchase or not to purchase. For me (and I think for most "techies"), the hardware is what sells the device. I try to ignore slick marketing, and get down to performance, or "ability" to perform outstanding after being tweaked. Even how "tweakable" a device is. Let's face it..... myself and most of the other users here are geeks! :-D

    The reason I said that the UI's don't matter to us, is simply because most of us here will not use it. We will use an alternative launcher/home replacement, and may also completely remove the manufacturers UI if possible.

    I know not everyone is into flashing ROM's and kernels. That's obvious by what percentage of the consumer base the development community makes up. But, that percentage is much higher on forums such as these. "We", is to whom I'm referring.

    You are correct, oxymoron I am. My name is based on the fact that people tell me, "For an intelligent guy, you sure do make some stupid decisions."

    Example.... I run the automation department at work. Do all the electrical design/programming of new equipment. I also knocked out one of my front teeth, and broke the other in half while riding a bicycle..... riding down a steep grade at approximately 30mph the front wheel began to wobble. I thought "That seems loose", at which point I lifted up on the handlebars. Yes, you know what happened.... the front wheel dropped out of the forks, and I used my face as an emergency brake on the asphalt.

    Sorry.... WAY off topic now.

    My next reply will be back on topic, promise ;-)

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    Thanks for the anecdote, that was funny. I see your point. If you are referring to people in these forums then much of what you originally mentioned does seem to apply.

    That said, I consider myself tech savvy as well, and I have zero desire to flash ROMs. I actually happen to like Touch Wiz enhancements too,just as another recent poster does.

    I guess my overall point is that, over time, I think the UI is what really leads to my satisfaction of a device. I do however appreciate the "'tweaking" ability of Android very much so if I don't like a UI , I at least have options.
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    09-21-2011 09:56 AM
  7. ChuckG73's Avatar
    I guess the point I was trying to make was that t a phone with a launcher over top of a stock browser seems like that would have to hamper the system in some way even if it is very minor. Like wearing two rain coats if its raining outside. Then adding a 3rd rain coat would be downloading and using a launcher from the market.
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    09-21-2011 10:25 AM
  8. oxymoron's Avatar
    Thanks for the anecdote, that was funny. I see your point. If you are referring to people in these forums then much of what you originally mentioned does seem to apply.

    That said, I consider myself tech savvy as well, and I have zero desire to flash ROMs. I actually happen to like Touch Wiz enhancements too,just as another recent poster does.

    I guess my overall point is that, over time, I think the UI is what really leads to my satisfaction of a device. I do however appreciate the "'tweaking" ability of Android very much so if I don't like a UI , I at least have options.
    Oh I completely agree, "the" UI is definitely very important indeed. It is how we navigate, what we look at, and interact with most often. I almost always end up using a home replacement for that very reason. ADW EX is my launcher of choice. I like the customization options, animations, choices of themes/icon packs, etc..

    I always try out the manufacturers stock UI for a while. I like a lot of the widgets that manufacturers come up with. The contacts widget on Moto's newest "non-blur" is pretty awesome for example.

    At this point, it just boils down to taste. And there's no debating that, we all have different ones. I hate mushrooms, some people love them. To his/her own, eh?

    I think we pretty much agree (I believe so anyway) on the main points, but differ in our tastes. Nothing wrong with that! An element of diversity :-)

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    09-21-2011 10:40 AM
  9. oxymoron's Avatar
    I guess the point I was trying to make was that t a phone with a launcher over top of a stock browser seems like that would have to hamper the system in some way even if it is very minor. Like wearing two rain coats if its raining outside. Then adding a 3rd rain coat would be downloading and using a launcher from the market.
    Yep, I agree. That's why I flash ROM's :-)

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    09-21-2011 10:42 AM
  10. RoninX's Avatar
    Well DROID is only on verizon, so it will probably be advertised as a DROID while other carriers get Nexus. I hope VZ gets the keyboard. That would be SWEET!
    Me too. If it also has LTE, then this would be my perfect phone.
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    09-22-2011 11:23 PM
  11. ottscay's Avatar
    Im gonna say the Droid Prime has a keyboard and the Galaxy Nexus does not. I want the Prime.
    That would really suck, since most people don't want a keyboard and on VZW we'd still be stuck without a proper stock phone.

    If they offer both, great. If not, I am truly out of there in February if there's no stock ICS/NFC/Nexus-like phone on Verizon (without a keyboard).
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    09-23-2011 12:16 PM
  12. TheDave's Avatar
    The tweets are back....
    Seem to be about the charge, though. Not a Panda-sanctioned literature work.

    Sad day. Need some more Nexus news.... Picture would be nice....
    09-24-2011 09:06 AM
  13. mikachu's Avatar
    Believe me or not, I held the phone for for 30 seconds as described in the poem. I honestly thought it was a SAMSUNG EPIC 4G for Verizon. Had I known it was the new "nexus" I definitely would have looked at it longer to give you more details.

    That poem does not lie.
    09-24-2011 09:40 AM
  14. phantomash's Avatar
    Believe me or not, I held the phone for for 30 seconds as described in the poem. I honestly thought it was a SAMSUNG EPIC 4G for Verizon. Had I known it was the new "nexus" I definitely would have looked at it longer to give you more details.

    That poem does not lie.
    so does the phone has any front buttons (capacitive/physical) at all?
    does it have a keyboard? (though I really doubt it)

    I figure this could be easily observable by just holding the phone.
    09-24-2011 10:18 AM
  15. nemov's Avatar
    Believe me or not, I held the phone for for 30 seconds as described in the poem. I honestly thought it was a SAMSUNG EPIC 4G for Verizon. Had I known it was the new "nexus" I definitely would have looked at it longer to give you more details.

    That poem does not lie.
    If you didn't know what it was it's likely you still don't know what it is... most likely the Stratosphere.
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    09-24-2011 10:44 AM
  16. turb0wned's Avatar
    If you didn't know what it was it's likely you still don't know what it is... most likely the Stratosphere.
    Exactly. Moving along.
    09-24-2011 12:08 PM
  17. dsignori's Avatar
    Believe me or not, I held the phone for for 30 seconds as described in the poem. I honestly thought it was a SAMSUNG EPIC 4G for Verizon. Had I known it was the new "nexus" I definitely would have looked at it longer to give you more details.

    That poem does not lie.
    Color me dubious as well. The phone "described in the poem" has a 1280 x 720 HD display and ICS. You thought it was a "SAMSUNG EPIC 4G for Verizon"? Doesn't exactly make sense ..
    09-24-2011 12:26 PM
  18. rickhamilton620's Avatar
    If you didn't know what it was it's likely you still don't know what it is... most likely the Stratosphere.

    This. Glad to hear Stratosphere's not a bad feeling phone though.
    09-24-2011 01:22 PM
  19. nemov's Avatar
    The tweets are back....
    09-24-2011 03:19 PM
  20. hmackenz's Avatar
    The tweets are back....
    yay! oh, but they're about the charge. umwut
    09-24-2011 10:45 PM
  21. Bearly's Avatar
    I took that to mean the Prime will evoke the same sentiments the Charge did:

    People will think the phone is too large (based on specs) but they'll be pleasantly surprised. And the battery with LTE isn't bad but could be better.

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    09-25-2011 03:47 AM
  22. Bearly's Avatar
    Ok I know I know ...POIDH

    But...

    I just talked to a dev who I guess works on the Google dev platforms. I forget what role he has but he doesn't work directly for Google.

    He's played with the Prime. He smiled and just said a few things about it. Said build quality is not impressive. Its pretty thin. Feels plasticky. Screen is nice. It does have LTE.

    He ALSO said the HTC Vigor is a nicer phone: much better build quality and looks nicer. I think someone else said the same before.

    Thats all I got. I wont see him anytime soon but he's the roommate of a friend's friend.



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    09-25-2011 05:00 AM
  23. ChuckG73's Avatar
    To be honest if the Nexus S came to Verizon I would take it and be happy. I want a Nexus.
    09-25-2011 05:59 AM
  24. mikachu's Avatar
    If you didn't know what it was it's likely you still don't know what it is... most likely the Stratosphere.
    I'm not saying I'm right or wrong. Just sharing what I gathered.


    Some more info for you all.

    It had a keyboard, but was grippier and better then the epics


    The processor was considerably faster then the epics.


    It had lte



    Now I'm unsure about the stratosphere, but is it a direct replica of the epic? Including the keyboard?
    09-25-2011 07:23 AM
  25. nemov's Avatar

    Now I'm unsure about the stratosphere, but is it a direct replica of the epic? Including the keyboard?
    Did it look like this?
    09-25-2011 07:28 AM
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