10-06-2011 05:36 PM
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  1. jerrod6's Avatar
    Samsung returns to pentile screens and its not pretty thegadgetlife

    I was holding out for this phone party because I wanted good performance, dual processor system... with a excellent HD screen ....now I read this..................

    So IF this is true are you concerned about the screen display on this proposed new phone? Really not better than current Super Amoled Plus?

    Should you switch from the Bionic or other pentile screen to this?

    Should you wait until the middle of next year or beyond?
    09-28-2011 09:56 PM
  2. the one and only M's Avatar
    I'd have to see it first. If it's as annoying as described by others, the non-pentile samoled qHD screen on the rumored droid spyder/hd will be my choice.
    09-28-2011 10:05 PM
  3. phantomash's Avatar
    its pentile but its RGBG alignment instead of the RGBW alignment that many has complained on the Bionic. Consider this, the original Galaxy S and Nexus S are both pentile too, including many other AMOLED and SAMOLED devices are all pentile screen, do you see anyone complaining at all? If any, some people actually dissed HTC's move switching the AMOLED display to SLCD at that time. Plus when people are having hands on with the Galaxy Note which essentially is a HD SAMOLED display too, they never mentioned any problem with the screen, in fact it being crisp and detailed is the comment. With that said, I don't see a problem it being pentile, assuming they're not RGBW alignment that plagued the Bionic.
    09-28-2011 10:20 PM
  4. edoublediz's Avatar
    there is no question IMO that RGBG (nexus1/incredible) pentile is much nicer than RGBW (bionic). i had a Dinc since day 1 until about a month ago. i loved that display, if it is any better than that im good. i will probably jump even with a higher density RGBW display. the next phone sammy releases with HD screen will be non-pentile super amoled plus
    09-28-2011 10:21 PM
  5. EggoEspada's Avatar
    We'll just have to wait and see how bad it is. I'm honestly not worried about it. The Galaxy Note apparently has the pentile arrangement with an HD display at 5.3" and have heard all good things about that display.
    09-28-2011 10:28 PM
  6. dsignori's Avatar
    It's definitely not going to bother me. I am super happy with my Samsung Fascinate's Pentile SAMOLD 800 x 480 screen. I have to imagine the higher res version will be even better. I am not worried in the least.
    09-28-2011 11:42 PM
  7. Last Ride's Avatar
    At the resolution we're talking about, will this even matter? I claim ignorance on the technical aspects, and I admit the Bionic screen is a noticable annoyance for me, but it seems a higher resolution would make for a cleaner look regardless of the pentile. And where does it end? Are we going to be complaining about the "old 720p screens" and how bad they look in a couple years when every phone has a 1080p screen? My bet is, no one is going to be able to tell the difference. These aren't big screen TV's. Maybe this is an apples and oranges comparison, but my point is that I think this "problem" is a bit overblown. YMMV,

    Bryan
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    09-29-2011 09:24 AM
  8. ManBearPig618's Avatar
    At the resolution we're talking about, will this even matter? I claim ignorance on the technical aspects, and I admit the Bionic screen is a noticable annoyance for me, but it seems a higher resolution would make for a cleaner look regardless of the pentile. And where does it end? Are we going to be complaining about the "old 720p screens" and how bad they look in a couple years when every phone has a 1080p screen? My bet is, no one is going to be able to tell the difference. These aren't big screen TV's. Maybe this is an apples and oranges comparison, but my point is that I think this "problem" is a bit overblown. YMMV,

    Bryan
    That and the Bionic is a different type of Pentile, anyway. I personally don't mind its screen, but the masses seem to hate the RGBW arrangement much more than the RGBG. That white subpixel is what seems to really set people off. From my understanding, the Prime will be RGBG, so I don't think it's anything to worry about - especially considering the heightened resolution.
    09-29-2011 09:53 AM
  9. delco714's Avatar
    Good news is I'm sure it'll be better on battery than say, the charge
    09-29-2011 01:46 PM
  10. dsignori's Avatar
    Good news is I'm sure it'll be better on battery than say, the charge
    I highly doubt it ...
    09-29-2011 02:45 PM
  11. delco714's Avatar
    I highly doubt it ...
    Why? pentile is better on battery than samoled.
    09-29-2011 08:22 PM
  12. yankdez's Avatar
    Why? pentile is better on battery than samoled.
    ???
    09-29-2011 09:10 PM
  13. delco714's Avatar
    ???
    Compare pentile phone's battery usage statistics with amoled phones, 5-10% pentile, 40-70% amoled (all depending on user of course), typically.
    10-01-2011 02:55 PM
  14. Officerpolabear's Avatar
    Compare pentile phone's battery usage statistics with amoled phones, 5-10% pentile, 40-70% amoled (all depending on user of course), typically.
    The AMOLED and SAMOLED screens are both pentile while SAMOLED+ is the only AMOLED screen that has the regular RGB stripe sub pixel layout. The reason why they had to use pentile is because that was the only way they would be able to achieve that high of a resolution while keeping the screen in 'phone-sized'.
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    10-01-2011 03:05 PM
  15. delco714's Avatar
    ^ now it makes more sense! thanks
    10-02-2011 12:53 PM
  16. sblantipodi's Avatar
    There is a lot of ignorance on pentile displays.
    I'm pretty sure that Prime will be RGBG but sincerely I will be happier with RGBW.

    In any case it will have a great display, I really like the improvements that pentile matrix has to offer.
    If you are interested in what pentile is, what advantages has to offer there is a great blog on this good tech.
    PenTile Blog
    10-02-2011 12:58 PM
  17. Officerpolabear's Avatar
    There is a lot of ignorance on pentile displays.
    I'm pretty sure that Prime will be RGBG but sincerely I will be happier with RGBW.

    In any case it will have a great display, I really like the improvements that pentile matrix has to offer.
    If you are interested in what pentile is, what advantages has to offer there is a great blog on this good tech.
    PenTile Blog
    isn't one of main pros is the fact it has better battery life than a display with the traditional RGB?
    10-02-2011 03:26 PM
  18. ibejack96's Avatar
    doubt it will matter if it has a 720p res... samsung's pentile screens (original SGS) seem to not be as bad as the moto screens we've been seeing
    10-02-2011 04:06 PM
  19. EMM81's Avatar
    I am going to try to clear some things up for you guys.

    RGBW pentile arrangements are ONLY used on LCD's. It results in brighter whites but weaker saturated colors. This is because a white pixel is made up of three colored pixels on an LCD each of which blocks at least 66% of the light from the back-light. So on an LCD you can never get more than a maximum 33% of the brightness produced by that back-light. The white pixel in the RGBW lets 100% of the light through and will reduce the power required only for white or non color saturated images.

    RGBG pentile arrangements are used in camera sensors and OLED screens. The human eye is most sensitive to green and therefore one can create a screen using using this pentile arrangement that appears to have nearly the same resolution as an RGB stripe display. This is only true for pictures though. Text and images with straight lines especially vertical and horizontal will look fuzzy especially if they are composed of an individual color. Samsung used the pentile arrangement for their AMOLED's because they could not achieve the same resolution currently achievable with LCD's.

    800x480= 768000 subpixels
    (pentile)
    800x480 = 1152000
    960x540 = 1555200
    1280x720= 1843200
    (pentile)
    1280x720 = 2764800

    I would argue that for the screen sizes in question a 1280x720 pentile display will be amazing and at least clearer than non-pentile 540p displays!
    10-05-2011 03:06 PM
  20. dsignori's Avatar
    I really think this Pentile worry will be for nothing. Most people LOVE the Galaxy S 1 phone displays. They had the same SAMOLED pentile display with a much lower resolution than this will have. As I stated before, I love the display on my Fascinate at 800 x 480. The same type of display at 1280 x 720 I expect to be tremendous. I don't doubt that we'll have a few who may knock it, but I bet 99.9% of people will LOVE the new screen if it has the specs rumored.
    10-05-2011 03:29 PM
  21. sblantipodi's Avatar
    I really hope that Prime will be pentile, at that huge DPI pentile can give many benefits like more efficient display, better contrast, better text sharpness and wide color gamut.
    10-05-2011 05:36 PM
  22. E_man's Avatar
    Many people here seem to mistake RGBG for RGBW. The prime will be RGBG, just like all other non+ SAMOLEDs. RGBW has a white pixel. That adds brightness, but NO color information. This is bad, and the cause of the crosshatch patterns. The reason for this is if you have a pixel that is in the middle of a green field, and it has red and white, there is no combination to display green, so you get a nasty pattern there. That pixel can only display red. This is what motorola uses.

    RGBG is better. If you are in the middle of a green field, every pixel can display green. It's only in pure red/blue fields you get problems.

    The second reason RGBG is better is most of the detail our eyes see comes from the green spectrum. There are extra green pixels in an RGBG display. The white pixel can't give any color information still. So the resolution is cut significantly compared to even an RGBG pentile display.

    However, the prime is going to (supposedly) have 315ppi. That's close to a third more pixel density than devices like the bionic/sensation and any single pixel problems will hopefully be will hidden. As an owner of a device with the same pentile matrix and much lower density, I can say it's a lot less noticable than the moto version.

    I really hope that Prime will be pentile, at that huge DPI pentile can give many benefits like more efficient display, better contrast, better text sharpness and wide color gamut.
    Pentile shrinks the color gamut, because not all pixels can display all colors.
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    10-05-2011 06:39 PM
  23. kath00's Avatar
    Had the Bionic for 2 weeks and never had a problem with the screen. I loved how bright it was in sunlight. Some people were disturbed by the screen but I never saw the checker pattern some others did.

    Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk
    10-05-2011 07:01 PM
  24. sblantipodi's Avatar
    Pentile shrinks the color gamut, because not all pixels can display all colors.
    pentile give 72%NTSC vs 55%NTSC over a normal rgb stripe.
    if this is a "shrink" for you, ok.
    10-06-2011 05:50 AM
  25. E_man's Avatar
    pentile give 72%NTSC vs 55%NTSC over a normal rgb stripe.
    if this is a "shrink" for you, ok.
    because there's nothing else that affects that...right...

    There's a heck of a lot that goes into color depth than pixel arrangement, or all our desktop LCD's would have the same gamut. Hint, they don't.
    10-06-2011 05:35 PM
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