10-10-2011 01:10 PM
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  1. nemov's Avatar
    A bit sensitive about your Samsung? Did your father work for Google or something? Didn't know this forum would be the "praise the Android" discussion.
    Pointing out that that Nexus Prime is being made by Samsung isn't sensitive, it's a fact. I own a Motorola Droid. I've never had a Samsung device.

    If you're going to talk nonsense don't be surprised if someone corrects you.
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    10-02-2011 05:01 PM
  2. _JKK_'s Avatar
    A bit sensitive about your Samsung? Did your father work for Google or something? Didn't know this forum would be the "praise the Android" discussion.

    I just want the best phone possible by the end of October. I don't want any reviews saying last year's Iphone 4's screen and camera beating any newer Android phone's screen and camera even though its resolution is lower and sensor megapixel is lower.
    Exactly. Every Android OEM seems to think that all that matters is a bigger screen and faster processor

    Apple has killed everyone on the fit and finish, and its phone has consistently outsold individual handsets for more than a year and a half (i.e. forever in the smartphone world).

    That has to stop too bad it's taken them so long that Apple has a new phone coming.
    10-02-2011 06:26 PM
  3. _JKK_'s Avatar
    Pointing out that that Nexus Prime is being made by Samsung isn't sensitive, it's a fact. I own a Motorola Droid. I've never had a Samsung device.

    If you're going to talk nonsense don't be surprised if someone corrects you.
    Is it really a "fact," though?

    :P I'm just saying, guys. It's not a fact until it's announced and out.
    10-02-2011 06:28 PM
  4. jlee91780's Avatar
    He was probably right about Samsung going to build the Nexus Prime, but even if I'm wrong, so what? There's no affirmative news about the company. But what gives him a right to tell me not to post based on my criticism of Android phones or even if I did make a mistake in my statement about a future device?
    Also, I only said I hoped HTC would build the Prime not stating it as fact even though he doesn't have more than rumor to affirm the company, but I think what he is actually criticizing me on is citing a study he personally believes in incorrect. I cited a study from a well known tech news site, he acknowledged that he had read it too, and he cited his personal disbelief based on his opinion that Android couldn't make money if people were returning them. Am I supposed to believe a random guy on a anonymous forum or a well known tech news site? Probably the latter even if I admit the general media is sensationalistic. Why is the study so hard to believe?; there's a ton of Android phones out there built for all kinds of crappy carriers, many of them are no good, only the top ones are worth anything.

    Also, I didn't say the SGS2 is below average, but that Samsung phones got below industry average for customer satisfaction. Everything I'm citiing is either from Engadget or CNET, nowhere else, I promise, I promise.
    10-02-2011 07:10 PM
  5. Photon4glover's Avatar
    Okay iPhone can only compete because it has an apple logo, and people haven't used an Android I'm willing to bet 90 percent of people who own an iPhone would trade it if they used Android and had some one give them some pointers. IPhones older face it unless apple makes a good move with IP5, their done. For the most part iPhone is for old people and little kids who dont know what they want.
    You have no right saying Android is horrible, Android is godly stop being a Apple suck up you don't see Android suing people because a rival company sells a better product! Thank you

    Sent from my MoPho on The Sprint Network
    10-02-2011 07:30 PM
  6. jlee91780's Avatar
    If you read my original post, I only said I would wait for both specs to come out and read the reviews before I made my decision and my opinion is everyone should do the same. At heart, Android and iOS are the same push the icon button and open the app so just get whatever performs the best for you. If you can live with crappier hardware so you can tweak a few things here and there, go get the Android. If the Prime is better hardware and lets me tweak stuff, I'll go get that. But Apple addressed many of the tweaks Android lovers wanted in their new iOS5 and so I want to see what ICS does to counter. Is any of this unreasonable?

    I don't understand this whole "don't be a sheep" idea. But what?, it makes you feel like a rebel to get an Android phone? Go skydive or something. Iphone is actually the minority to all Android phones and wants to do things its own way and doesn't want to play nice with the industry leading majority Windows PCs out there. So whose being a sheep getting the minority device? I guess its the leader if you compare it to individual Android phones.
    10-02-2011 07:52 PM
  7. qnet's Avatar
    If you read my original post, I only said I would wait for both specs to come out and read the reviews before I made my decision and my opinion is everyone should do the same. At heart, Android and iOS are the same push the icon button and open the app so just get whatever performs the best for you. If you can live with crappier hardware so you can tweak a few things here and there, go get the Android. If the Prime is better hardware and lets me tweak stuff, I'll go get that. But Apple addressed many of the tweaks Android lovers wanted in their new iOS5 and so I want to see what ICS does to counter. Is any of this unreasonable?

    I don't understand this whole "don't be a sheep" idea. But what?, it makes you feel like a rebel to get an Android phone? Go skydive or something. Iphone is actually the minority to all Android phones and wants to do things its own way and doesn't want to play nice with the industry leading majority Windows PCs out there. So whose being a sheep getting the minority device? I guess its the leader if you compare it to individual Android phones.
    I have to agree with you to a extent. I was on the XDA forum following the crazy thread of the guy who bought the Nexus S - on Ebay - with ICS on it and, Google allegedly remote wiped it. One of the posters ask if ICS had full hardware acceleration and, he noted that this is what made the Iphone so smooth. I Googled "ICS & hardware acceleration" and, was directed right back to this very site to a thread you had started on the topic .

    I had always wondered why some parts of Android ran smooth - such as the app drawer - while others did not. I build computers and, also own a Imac. I don't think hardware is the issue, I think it's mainly software IMO. I won't get too deep into why I think that, we can save that conversation for another time.

    My thing is, I really want ICS to be fully hardware accelerated also and hope it is. That's why I'm glad the Iphone announcement is first so, I can already know what it will be about before I make a decision. I really want the Nexus prime and, luv the customization of Android but, Iike you; I want to see how it will perform. If it's not fully hardware-accelerated, that won't be a deal-breaker for me but, it will make the decision harder on whether to get it, get the new Iphone it or, just keep what I have. I might still just go for the Bionic but, it depends.

    That's what was so frustrating about the leak video. ICS looked really smooth transitioning from different screens but, the guy never swiped across on the home screens. It was like he didn't even know how to operate it. I hope it got a new phone though.
    10-02-2011 08:44 PM
  8. lfurlong's Avatar
    I have owned both android phones and the iPhone. I've had several Android phones (Nexus One, MyTouch 4G, G2x, Sensation, Incredible 2, Droid X2, Thunderbolt and Droid Charge) and the iPhone 4. Both platforms have their pros and cons. There is no right or wrong. It's all about personal preference. I have read so many threads bashing the iPhone but not too many bashing Android. So is it that iPhone owners don't care about Android or that Android owners care too much about the iPhone? Either way at the end of the day everyone decides which phone they want and that is the phone they will get.
    10-02-2011 08:57 PM
  9. qnet's Avatar
    I have owned both android phones and the iPhone. I've had several Android phones (Nexus One, MyTouch 4G, G2x, Sensation, Incredible 2, Droid X2, Thunderbolt and Droid Charge) and the iPhone 4. Both platforms have their pros and cons. There is no right or wrong. It's all about personal preference. I have read so many threads bashing the iPhone but not too many bashing Android. So is it that iPhone owners don't care about Android or that Android owners care too much about the iPhone? Either way at the end of the day everyone decides which phone they want and that is the phone they will get.
    Well said. Wow, and I thought I have had a lot of phones LOL!! I've had the Nexus One, Mytouch 3G, Mytouch 4G, Nexus S and, Iphone 4 (black & now white). I agree they all have their pros and cons.

    From my experience, on forums; the Iphone forum users like their Iphones so much that they hardly comment on Android. Some of them don't like Android and some do. Almost every Android forum I've been on, the majority hate Iphones.
    10-02-2011 09:15 PM
  10. Xephik's Avatar
    We're on an Android forum. However that does not mean we need to start flaming eachother over which platform is better.

    The iPhone is a great phone. I'm sure even the most unreasonable can't dispute that. Apple consistently raises the bar when it comes to hardware that competes with Android. Honestly, I don't have a doubt in my mind that the iPhone 5 will blow every Android device out of the water spec wise next week. The Android OEMs could learn from Apple in a lot of ways. Consistent, easy to remember names for instance. If you pull anyone off the street and show them an iPhone and a Droid Bionic, they'll most likely recognize the iPhone most of the time. Brand recognition is the name of the game.

    And I will fully disclose that I am an Android lover like no other, but when I heard the iPhone 5 was going to have a 4 inch screen, I put it in the maybe section. I have small hands... I don't know if the Prime will be good for me :-(

    Both platforms have their pros and cons.

    All that being said, Android's customization abilities far exceed iPhones. Notifications are still top notch. The options we have with root are amazing. The fact we have a huge hardware selection is awesome.
    10-02-2011 09:23 PM
  11. nemov's Avatar
    He was probably right about Samsung going to build the Nexus Prime..
    That's all I needed to hear. I'll just ignore the rest because it's not interesting anymore.
    10-02-2011 09:47 PM
  12. jlee91780's Avatar
    Congratulations on being right about what the current rumors are.

    Anyway, let's get back to the original topic because most of this goes in the phone wars arena which, again, although some of my words were bordering on inflammatory about Android, I stil maintain that I was only citing studies out there about Android's current status. The original topic stipulated that Nexus Prime is as hyped as the Iphone and most of us agree it clearly is not. I will only add that nobody forced nobody to be famous; Apple didn't exploit anybody to design a good product that the average consumer likes. They didn't pick on any little guy; Google, Samsung, Motorola are not your Mom and Pop shop; they were the smallest at one point. So what that they sue everyone; that's all part of gamemanship; Google would do the same.
    10-02-2011 09:55 PM
  13. ManBearPig618's Avatar
    Congratulations on being right about what the current rumors are.
    I wanted to remain quiet, but I just can't. Samsung manufacturing the Nexus Prime is not a rumor. It is fact. So when you come in here and start making these broad, sweeping statements involving how you want HTC to produce the phone, all it does is damage your credibility. Most posters here, in this specific forum, have followed the leaks on this device pretty carefully. There are some things we know, like it will run ICS, Samsung will make it, etc, that are not up for dispute.

    If you're going to try and stir the pot/troll/debate, at least get your facts right. Because when you don't, not only is it a waste of everyone's time, but it's annoying.
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    10-02-2011 10:36 PM
  14. jlee91780's Avatar
    Boy, this really irks some of you. Instead of disputing studies I've cited discussing various defamatory Android facts that even I can allow may be data taken out of context, you are hung up that I wanted the next Nexus to be built by HTC. Who cares what these names are? Why can't I want the next great Android phone to be built by HTC who indeed did build a Nexus at one point? Every company's gonna build a flagship to compete with Iphone and they are gonna call it something. I will laugh so hard if this next Nexus is called Nexus Infinity or something and releases next year built by Motorola only because some of you will vomit that the rumors weren't true. Do you know somebody on the Google Board of directors or something? Will you eat your phone if this thing is not built by Samsung? Again, I could care less if you do or not, just amusing to me you find this so annoying.

    Boy, I'm already a geek, but I can feel my geek meter totally blowing up arguiing with you guys. Unless you want to argue that the Nexus Optimus Prime by Pantech with Gingerbread 4.0 has as much recognition and marketing power as the Iphone,, we are really getting off topic.
    10-03-2011 01:15 AM
  15. Officerpolabear's Avatar
    Boy, this really irks some of you. Instead of disputing studies I've cited discussing various defamatory Android facts that even I can allow may be data taken out of context, you are hung up that I wanted the next Nexus to be built by HTC. Who cares what these names are? Why can't I want the next great Android phone to be built by HTC who indeed did build a Nexus at one point? Every company's gonna build a flagship to compete with Iphone and they are gonna call it something. I will laugh so hard if this next Nexus is called Nexus Infinity or something and releases next year built by Motorola only because some of you will vomit that the rumors weren't true. Do you know somebody on the Google Board of directors or something? Will you eat your phone if this thing is not built by Samsung? Again, I could care less if you do or not, just amusing to me you find this so annoying.

    Boy, I'm already a geek, but I can feel my geek meter totally blowing up arguiing with you guys. Unless you want to argue that the Nexus Optimus Prime by Pantech with Gingerbread 4.0 has as much recognition and marketing power as the Iphone,, we are really getting off topic.
    There have been a lot of sources out there, pointing to the direction that Samsung is gonna make the next nexus, but you are just too oblivious to look at the facts. It wouldn't matter though, as Unpacked is coming soon so then we can all figure out and then you can stop your annoying bickering of how you want HTC to make the nexus prime even though you know and I know, that's not going to be the case.
    10-03-2011 01:51 AM
  16. wyseguy77's Avatar

    Apple has killed everyone on the fit and finish, and its phone has consistently outsold individual handsets for more than a year and a half (i.e. forever in the smartphone world).
    This bothers me. Do you think that if more models of IOS phones were being produced the iPhone would be doing so great. The reason the iPhone is doing so well is because a lack of options. Android is doing well because there is so many "cool" phones coming out all the time. If Apple had more models more frequently Android may not hold such a big chunk of the market. At least that's my thought.

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    10-03-2011 03:23 AM
  17. Officerpolabear's Avatar
    This bothers me. Do you think that if more models of IOS phones were being produced the iPhone would be doing so great. The reason the iPhone is doing so well is because a lack of options. Android is doing well because there is so many "cool" phones coming out all the time. If Apple had more models more frequently Android may not hold such a big chunk of the market. At least that's my thought.

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    ^ this. I have the same exact concept.
    10-03-2011 03:30 AM
  18. a250gpreguy's Avatar
    What a wasteful read. Yawn.....I want my 2 minutes back please
    Ch
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    10-03-2011 03:35 AM
  19. GrillMouster's Avatar
    When Apple made the iPhone available on Verizon it didn't get quite the bump that it had hoped for, but that's simpy because many iPhone owners were still on contract. Some of them were iPhone owners in AT&T, and some were on other carriers and just waiting for an iPhone to be available on any carrier other than AT&T. Additionally, the carriers grandfathering in current customers into unlimited data plans has kept may customers loyal (that's why I won't leave Verizon...I don't want a tiered data plan). Finally, since the VZW iPhone was an "old" phone on a new carrier, many people wanted to wait. I think a lot of folks, including many current Android users, have been waiting for the next iPhone.

    I'm waiting for the Nexus, but I'm keeping my options open. Google isn't loyal to me, so why should I pledge my undying love to Android?
    10-04-2011 11:52 AM
  20. dhawaldamania's Avatar
    Well there are few points I'd like to add here

    Is is rightly said about Apple, They take a technology that already exists, improve it a bit and sell it as the second coming. That was one of the Android staffers analysis of the iPhone 4S launch and we struggle to find a more succinct interpretation of what was unveiled in Cupertino, California a few days back by Tim Cook.



    Here are some of the Features where Android beats iOS hands down

    Ice-Cream Sandwich vs iOS 5

    The launch of iOS 5 is a key selling point for the iPhone 4S, yet its by no means exclusive to that handset. As you should all know by now, Androids Ice Cream Sandwich update is due next week on 11 October, launched has been delayed, however well be able to give a clearer head-to-head then but were pretty confident it will withstand the challenge.

    This may sound funny but, key iOS 5 features include improved Twitter connectivity, iMessage, which will face stiff competition from BBM for Android and WhatsApp, and location-based reminders. These all features are already done a year back or is in the works for Android and hardly the smartphone wars Golden horse.



    Siri vs Voice Action for Android

    Lets not be unfair, Siri does look a fairly impressive piece of tech if it works to its full potential as theyve presented it to be.

    Is it a brand new invention though? BIG NO.

    complete read at Android beats iOS (even after iPhone 4S and) in all walks; Check out why | The DNetWorks
    10-10-2011 08:09 AM
  21. CynicX's Avatar
    Although I'm already convinced it is after seeing pics and the Google + Samsung commercial, I (for one) hope it is built by Samsung. I feel Samsung is currently making some of the best screens on the market, I may eat my worlds but I think when you walking into VZW to get your Nexus the screen will pop out at you even if its parked by a new iPhone.

    Back to rumors but better optics will hopefully put the camera at least on par with the iPhone. The geek in me hates this though. I love comparing specs but when push comes to shove the iPhone takes a better pics regardless of megapixels which is important but by no means is how you determine the quality of a picture taken by the device.

    I should probably put my flame suit on but I wouldn't consider the iPhone a better built device then ALL Android phones. All my friends have iPhones and half of them are breaking in one way or another. It is a major hassle to have an iPhone lock up on you and the only way to fix it is by plugging it into iTunes when you are on vacation. Never really had a problem with any android product.
    10-10-2011 09:04 AM
  22. Margucci's Avatar
    i know this might be a tad bit obvious but i just wanted to point it out just in case. i think the largest similarity between the iPhone and the Nexus will be that they are both phones. I believe that this will be a key feature in both devices. Hopefully Apple doesn't think they they have a patent on "phones" and attempts to file an injunction.
    10-10-2011 10:06 AM
  23. YoshiDroid's Avatar
    Just to comment some of the older posts. There are several cheap android devices with lower quality which explains the high return rate. Therefor it's not fair to compare an iphone against an htc wildfire for example.
    10-10-2011 01:10 PM
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