10-11-2011 04:54 PM
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  1. Forgetful's Avatar
    On screen buttons is a huge improvement.

    The ability for app designers and development to include any menu buttons they think are or are not necessary.

    Rotation like in honeycomb.

    Larger screen size.

    And to the complaint about it taking up just as much space or having to click twice to back out or a video- That is a simple UI problem which could be solved in many ways. For one, a simple touch in the area where the buttons disappeared to activates the button's function (like a invisible button in some apps)



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    10-05-2011 01:56 PM
  2. koolbon's Avatar
    Larger screen size with buttons taking up the bottom space all the time?
    A touch to bring up the buttons and touch a button again... that's clicking twice to me.
    We need those buttons one way or another. I just hope they have very good reasons to move onto software buttons. I haven't seen any significant reason for it yet.
    10-05-2011 02:27 PM
  3. 6tr6tr's Avatar
    On my Honeycomb tablet, when i rotate the screen to different orientations, the buttons rotate as well.

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    This plus:

    1. bigger screen space without needing to make phone bigger
    2. Ability to make the buttons look better over time (as the UI evolves)
    3. Ability to add more buttons based on context (whereas the capacitive ones cannot be changed)
    10-05-2011 02:27 PM
  4. fargles's Avatar
    I am back and forth on this... I have the Droid X2 and it has a nice massive screen, and the buttons are barely there. there is probably a 2.5 inch space from the bottom of the screen to the bottom of the device, one inch for the verizon logo-____- and less then a half an inch for the four buttons and a little microphone hole. The rest is space, so my buttons are barely in the way and they are buttons that I prefer being there all the time.

    Now i like the idea of all gestures and no buttons or buttons that only show up at some times.

    I dunno how I feel about this, I guess I'm kinda neutral lol
    10-05-2011 02:56 PM
  5. drbugsmn's Avatar
    I do a bit of android work, my guess is that for apps that declare for any pre-icecream level of compatibility, it will probably leave them there (maybe like mentioned previously make them small and out of the way, then zoom them when selected?) for backwards compatibility. What I'm hoping (no proof, I don't have the 4.0 sdk) that for apps that declare a min version of ice-cream sammich, allow the dev to define the behavior. pure speculation on my part, but it would be cool.
    10-05-2011 03:00 PM
  6. dsignori's Avatar
    On screen buttons is a huge improvement.
    How, specifically? What exactly will they improve? IMO nothing ..


    The ability for app designers and development to include any menu buttons they think are or are not necessary.
    How is this a benefit? All the buttons are already here now before ICS, and take up zero screen real estate. Apps can add any "buttons" = functions to their apps now without any need to fiddle with menus. Again, this doesn't seem like a benefit. I still see "take away some of my screen to give me buttons I had before ICS already".


    Rotation like in honeycomb.
    Do you really want 1/4 to 1/2 inch of the already-slim landscape height to be taken away by virtual buttons? I don't. This works great on tablets which have the size to do this. Phones don't have the size for this to make sense


    Larger screen size.
    Whatever screen size a phone has now will be decreased by being usurped by menus. This equates to smaller screen sizes to me.


    And to the complaint about it taking up just as much space or having to click twice to back out or a video- That is a simple UI problem which could be solved in many ways. For one, a simple touch in the area where the buttons disappeared to activates the button's function (like a invisible button in some apps)
    ...
    IF it is solved in some way, that just creates parody with what we already have and we haven't gained any usability. There is a chance this could be workable I hope, but I can't get past the need for actual buttons available for me without having to click-to-see them or that take up persistent screen space
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    10-05-2011 03:21 PM
  7. marrrio_'s Avatar
    wouldn't the software buttons allow the phones to be thinner....?? less hardware to take up precious internal real estate
    10-05-2011 04:07 PM
  8. drbugsmn's Avatar
    wouldn't the software buttons allow the phones to be thinner....?? less hardware to take up precious internal real estate
    Not in this case, as they are capacitive buttons, and part of the screen digitizer. Here is one I used on my OGD when it went bad Amazon.com: Verizon Motorola Droid A855 Touch Screen Digitizer Replacement Glass Repair Part: Electronics
    10-05-2011 04:13 PM
  9. pe1's Avatar
    I don't think you're getting it. Picture this, you are now watching a video on your current android phone. You want to go BACK.

    - You now need to click once
    - With ICS and the rumored virtual buttons (if they disappear), you now need 2 presses.
    No, I do get it. The point is it's now configurable. Which is better: to have a bit more screen space, or to only have to click once? That really depends on the app, and with on-screen buttons, different apps can make different choices. Watching a video, I'd much rather have the extra screen space, and the extra click isn't a big deal. Lots of other apps will prefer to keep the buttons visible and minimize the clicks. And that's why it's better: each app can do what's best for that app.
    10-05-2011 06:47 PM
  10. dsignori's Avatar
    No, I do get it. The point is it's now configurable. Which is better: to have a bit more screen space, or to only have to click once? That really depends on the app, and with on-screen buttons, different apps can make different choices. Watching a video, I'd much rather have the extra screen space, and the extra click isn't a big deal. Lots of other apps will prefer to keep the buttons visible and minimize the clicks. And that's why it's better: each app can do what's best for that app.
    Oy ... Now (before ICS) you don't have to choose, you get both. Screen space and 1 press buttons. We don't have to decide now which is "better" as we have both, currently ...
    10-05-2011 11:15 PM
  11. wyseguy77's Avatar
    Oy ... Now (before ICS) you don't have to choose, you get both. Screen space and 1 press buttons. We don't have to decide now which is "better" as we have both, currently ...
    I like the direction ICS is taking us and i'm excited to give it a shot, I'll judge after. So
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    10-05-2011 11:33 PM
  12. yapkuen's Avatar
    Whatever screen size a phone has now will be decreased by being usurped by menus. This equates to smaller screen sizes to me.
    But whatever screen size is lost to the soft keys is reclaimed by expanding the screen into the space previously occupied by the hard keys, without having to make the overall device larger. Even if the extra on-screen space can never be used for anything other than the soft keys, that's a net benefit to me because I'm tired of phones constantly getting larger and larger.
    10-06-2011 02:15 AM
  13. Errola0's Avatar
    I'm genuinely confused, why are people thinking the virtual buttons will be configurable by app developers? Maybe I'm just not correctly understanding what everyone means .

    We already have a bar of virtual buttons in Honeycomb and the app developers can't just mess around and change it as to how they feel fit(which would be bad).

    The way I see it virtual buttons simply look cool and allows the buttons to rotate with the device, that's cool and more than enough reason for me.
    10-06-2011 03:01 AM
  14. solahcin's Avatar
    I think we need to give MD a break. One reason software buttons are good news is that the old default configuration had too many buttons (four creates an asymmetrical layout which Samsung were right to change IMO), arguably the wrong buttons (not sure many people use the search button) and most importantly it was missing a multitasking button. Win Phone 7 uses long press on Back which isn't good, but Android uses long press Home which is much worse. Lots of users don't even know it exists and wonder what's going on when they stumble upon the multitasking menu by accident.

    Now please let the real ICS home row icons be the blue-white ones that were seen on a Nexus S ICS video a little while back, not the odd dotted circle icon (with green Messaging??) seen on the latest leak...
    10-08-2011 10:26 AM
  15. CynicX's Avatar
    Honeycomb has been using it forever and its a vast improvement.

    When watching a video the buttons turn into small un noticeable dot with the screen behind them. So screen size is uneffected however phone size can be smaller without the need for space for buttons.

    The buttons with honeycomb can actually change, like right now on my tablet I have a back button, home, multitasking button and the "settings" button of the app I'm using if the dev decides to use it. The on screen buttons will rotate with the screens orientation portrait or land scape.

    With on screen buttons software devs have a lot more options too, changing the colors of the buttons, being able to hide them change and add them etc etc.

    I didn't see the purpose was either until I had it. Now gingerbread feels cheap and the real estate wasted on the phone just doesn't make sense. Its like the button on an iPhone. Do you want a button there or a bigger screen without effecting the phone physical dimensions?
    10-08-2011 01:08 PM
  16. CynicX's Avatar
    I'm genuinely confused, why are people thinking the virtual buttons will be configurable by app developers? Maybe I'm just not correctly understanding what every
    one means .

    We already have a bar of virtual buttons in Honeycomb and the app developers can't just mess around and change it as to how they feel fit(which would be bad).

    The way I see it virtual buttons simply look cool and allows the buttons to rotate with the device, that's cool and more than enough reason for me.
    With root the on screen buttons can be modified. However stock is so well designed rooted users generally only change the colors to match the background or whatever.
    10-08-2011 01:13 PM
  17. ienjoysoup08's Avatar
    am I the only one who saw that in the video of the nexus when he went into the camera app the on screen buttons were gone? how do we get out of the camera app. and when the camera app was loading there was no on screen buttons for the home screen?

    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py9TfZGie48[/yt]
    10-09-2011 06:54 PM
  18. Scottatron's Avatar
    Wow, this really needed a new thread.
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    10-09-2011 07:01 PM
  19. johnyguy's Avatar
    am I the only one who saw that in the video of the nexus when he went into the camera app the on screen buttons were gone? how do we get out of the camera app. and when the camera app was loading there was no on screen buttons for the home screen?
    I'm sure Mr Google have thought about it before we get the phone
    10-09-2011 07:34 PM
  20. ienjoysoup08's Avatar
    I'm sure Mr Google have thought about it before we get the phone
    yeah I am sure they have. just confused about it
    10-09-2011 07:39 PM
  21. Cigar-Junkie's Avatar
    Someone should design a screen swipe to get the buttons back or else the phone and ICS must be postponed. oops...maybe that is what really happend.this week
    10-09-2011 07:42 PM
  22. nemov's Avatar
    It seems a little premature to start worrying about features that no one here has experience using.
    10-09-2011 07:52 PM
  23. rightontime's Avatar
    I like physical buttons more but honestly on screen buttons aren't that much different. Just doesn't seem like something to worry about. At most its one or two more presses when something goes full screen.
    10-09-2011 08:26 PM
  24. CynicX's Avatar
    yeah I am sure they have. just confused about it
    Like I mentioned. With Honeycomb the buttons don't disappear when you start using a full screen app but the become small slightly transparent dots. So they are still there and require no extra touch to use back or home. However you have to be smart enough to remember which dot is which...

    The more I find it going to be like Honeycomb the more excited I get about this phone.
    10-09-2011 08:52 PM
  25. jerrod6's Avatar
    Sometimes I view this site on my phone using Taptalk. Buttons are soft. No problem with them.
    10-09-2011 09:08 PM
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