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  1. Tripsyk's Avatar
    Apple and Google are taking two entirely separate approaches with the new iterations of their OS's.

    Apple is taking the user-friendly road, as it always has. Starting with the iTouch, they capitalized on the users ability to have an easy-to-use device. It syncs itself, and can be used across several major platforms in the fact that it can be synced to iTunes to transfer music, movies, or apps. You can then use that sync to play those songs on your computer. Then, if you have another iOS device, you can plug that in and sync that one too. It's easy. You just plug and go. When the bar stops loading, everything will work for you perfectly. This logic is being used in Apple's devotion to voice-activated programming in the form of Siri. Siri is going to give users the same ease-of-use that they once had when the iOS just came out and iTunes gave it its exclusivity as the most easy-to-use OS. Sure Siri is going to be far from perfect, and by no means am I an Apple fan. I hate Apple. A lot. But their marketing scheme is always their selling point. People are going to get used to Siri, and use it more often as they have integrated it so well with the OS.

    This is where Android parts ways. They did not focus on integrating easier user-interface options with their voice recog. They instead focused on a cleaner, more appealing visual user-interface that the user can touch and interact with. If Apple were smart, they would continue to pour money in to Siri development to further themselves from Android and create a different genre of device. Leave the gadgety, pretty looking devices to Android, and leave the user-friendly devices to Apple. If Apple continues aggressive development on Siri, no doubt will it be the differentiating factor between the two. People aren't buying into Siri itself, they are buying in to the idea of Siri. The idea of not having to open applications or a messaging app to type a message or send a text. The idea that you can control things that were once only controllable with your hands, with your voice. And Apple will recognize this, and they will develop Siri further.

    For the record, I own no Apple products besides a 2nd generation iTouch and am an avid Android fanatic. However if you're looking at Apple vs. Google, you need to look at it logically and understand why each company is developing the way that they are.
    themoose615 likes this.
    10-14-2011 03:39 AM
  2. dchawk81's Avatar
    Yes, expectations are getting ridiculous.
    10-14-2011 05:55 AM
  3. ratchetjaw#AC's Avatar
    Apple and Google are taking two entirely separate approaches with the new iterations of their OS's.

    Apple is taking the user-friendly road, as it always has. Starting with the iTouch, they capitalized on the users ability to have an easy-to-use device. It syncs itself, and can be used across several major platforms in the fact that it can be synced to iTunes to transfer music, movies, or apps. You can then use that sync to play those songs on your computer. Then, if you have another iOS device, you can plug that in and sync that one too. It's easy. You just plug and go. When the bar stops loading, everything will work for you perfectly. This logic is being used in Apple's devotion to voice-activated programming in the form of Siri. Siri is going to give users the same ease-of-use that they once had when the iOS just came out and iTunes gave it its exclusivity as the most easy-to-use OS. Sure Siri is going to be far from perfect, and by no means am I an Apple fan. I hate Apple. A lot. But their marketing scheme is always their selling point. People are going to get used to Siri, and use it more often as they have integrated it so well with the OS.

    This is where Android parts ways. They did not focus on integrating easier user-interface options with their voice recog. They instead focused on a cleaner, more appealing visual user-interface that the user can touch and interact with. If Apple were smart, they would continue to pour money in to Siri development to further themselves from Android and create a different genre of device. Leave the gadgety, pretty looking devices to Android, and leave the user-friendly devices to Apple. If Apple continues aggressive development on Siri, no doubt will it be the differentiating factor between the two. People aren't buying into Siri itself, they are buying in to the idea of Siri. The idea of not having to open applications or a messaging app to type a message or send a text. The idea that you can control things that were once only controllable with your hands, with your voice. And Apple will recognize this, and they will develop Siri further.

    For the record, I own no Apple products besides a 2nd generation iTouch and am an avid Android fanatic. However if you're looking at Apple vs. Google, you need to look at it logically and understand why each company is developing the way that they are.
    I agree and i am really really trying to fight the urge to get the ip4s today. I wish the dam Galaxy Nexus was already available it would make it easier to resist lol. Heck i could get the iphone and use it till the Nexus comes :-)

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    10-14-2011 06:54 AM
  4. MrSmith317's Avatar
    I agree and i am really really trying to fight the urge to get the ip4s today. I wish the dam Galaxy Nexus was already available it would make it easier to resist lol. Heck i could get the iphone and use it till the Nexus comes :-)

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    That urge should be really easy to fight. No matter what Apple does, especially with an App, Android will get there too. How long could we (Android users) speak instead of typing while iPhone'rs were still typing? If Siri proves fruitful and my guess would be that it won't be then expect Google or a 3rd party like Nuance to put some push on exceeding that technology. Maybe Google buys nuance to really put some muscle behind it.

    Final point: One app will never EVER EVER EVER be a good reason to buy a phone. And let's be clear, Siri is an app NOT an integrated part of iOs...well not yet anyway.
    10-14-2011 07:21 AM
  5. JustAnAvgJoe's Avatar
    Im planning to make a switch form iPhone to Android, ever since I discovered how much more powerful the Android phone is, as opposed to the iPhone. But I think there are a lot more iPhone apps than Android on the current market, so I cant seem to decide. On one hand, the iPhone has a bunch of cool apps like the Picture Music App, which allows me to convert any picture I take with my iPhone, into actual music and play it back on any instrument. And as a musician I love that, by the way has anyone seen or played around with this app?

    I was wondering if any of the Android phone users seen anything like the Picture Music app on the Android market? That would definitely make my transition to Android a lot smoother.
    I'm not sure if there is one out there on any of the markets, and I'm not sure about on this site but there are many developers prodding around sites like reddit looking for app ideas.

    I am confident that if there currently is no such app and you reach out, someone will create it just to do it for the sake of just making it.
    10-14-2011 07:28 AM
  6. Gratificulous's Avatar
    Just a thought you guys. I have been seeing the lamentations of the iPhone fans on tech blogs when it was revealed that after all the rumors, "leaks" and case designs they have had for the last 16 months all they were getting was a spec bumped copy of last years phone and it made me wonder. Are we in danger of expecting too much from the prime. After all, it can't be too much different from other phones released recently specs wise and we have no firm idea what ICS will be like on phones.

    I certainly don't want to ruin anyone's buzz or excitement and I am super stoked to see what my next phone can do I'm just wondering if we should tone down or expectations a bit.
    My expectations aren't high: 4G Nexus on Verizon with ICS. There is a lot to be said about Verizon's network and couple that with a pure Google device running ICS...I'm a happy guy.
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    10-14-2011 07:38 AM
  7. nemov's Avatar
    I love how the premise behind this thread. Meanwhile the iPhone 4S is sold out and there are long lines to get the new phone. Sounds like a major let down to me.

    The lesson here is that the "expectations" game is played in the press and fanboy forums. The average consumer just wants the latest phone.
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    10-14-2011 07:57 AM
  8. Zendroid1's Avatar
    I don't mind the millions lining up for the iPhone. Makes getting my Galaxy Nexus all the more easier in a few weeks.
    10-14-2011 09:07 AM
  9. ratchetjaw#AC's Avatar
    That urge should be really easy to fight. No matter what Apple does, especially with an App, Android will get there too. How long could we (Android users) speak instead of typing while iPhone'rs were still typing? If Siri proves fruitful and my guess would be that it won't be then expect Google or a 3rd party like Nuance to put some push on exceeding that technology. Maybe Google buys nuance to really put some muscle behind it.

    Final point: One app will never EVER EVER EVER be a good reason to buy a phone. And let's be clear, Siri is an app NOT an integrated part of iOs...well not yet anyway.
    I know your right. I know if i got it i would be board with it by Sunday lol. Just the urge for a new device. I have issues i just got my Bionic 2 weeks ago lol. Phones will be the death of me

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    10-14-2011 09:16 AM
  10. Mac58's Avatar
    IMO yes and no. I don't think that the form factor of the NP will be the same as the Nexus S, which is not true for the 4s, which is what upset a lot of people. If apple had changed the shell of the iphone 4s and gave it the same spec upgrade, a lot of people who are mad now about their announcement would not be mad.
    However, we as enthusiast do tend to expect too much and so I believe there will be some let down, but that wont be google and samsung's fault. It will be ours.
    10-14-2011 09:32 AM
  11. rich_r's Avatar
    That urge should be really easy to fight. No matter what Apple does, especially with an App, Android will get there too. How long could we (Android users) speak instead of typing while iPhone'rs were still typing? If Siri proves fruitful and my guess would be that it won't be then expect Google or a 3rd party like Nuance to put some push on exceeding that technology. Maybe Google buys nuance to really put some muscle behind it.
    Well your current Android phone is not that far off from Siri today. Take a look at Voice Actions by pannous:
    https://market.android.com/details?i...=search_result

    [YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRk-fdiqqSA[/YT]

    I suspect that ICS may have more improvements in Google's current Voice Actions. I don't expect to see Siri being a significant differentiator in the future. It's once again another case of Apple marketing something that is not really a new innovation, but rather an improvement over existing technology. I give apple alot of credit for their ability to market improvements as if they were the innovator.
    10-14-2011 09:47 AM
  12. MrSmith317's Avatar
    Well your current Android phone is not that far off from Siri today. Take a look at Voice Actions by pannous:
    https://market.android.com/details?i...=search_result



    I suspect that ICS may have more improvements in Google's current Voice Actions. I don't expect to see Siri being a significant differentiator in the future. It's once again another case of Apple marketing something that is not really a new innovation, but rather an improvement over existing technology. I give apple alot of credit for their ability to market improvements as if they were the innovator.
    They should win an award for marketing other people's improvements. I'd like to smack half of the iCrowd that has come up to me spouting some garbage about innovation with Siri. Then I long press my search button and say "Web Search voice recognition in Android" or "Send text to <this dumbass> Siri isn't new"
    10-14-2011 10:38 AM
  13. ratchetjaw#AC's Avatar
    They should win an award for marketing other people's improvements. I'd like to smack half of the iCrowd that has come up to me spouting some garbage about innovation with Siri. Then I long press my search button and say "Web Search voice recognition in Android" or "Send text to <this dumbass> Siri isn't new"
    Yes Android just didnt market it. I didnt even know about the voice actions app till i heard about Siri. Like you said Apple will now be the originators per the world. Marketing at its best.

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    10-14-2011 10:54 AM
  14. dchawk81's Avatar
    They should win an award for marketing other people's improvements. I'd like to smack half of the iCrowd that has come up to me spouting some garbage about innovation with Siri. Then I long press my search button and say "Web Search voice recognition in Android" or "Send text to <this dumbass> Siri isn't new"
    Maybe I don't enunciate well enough, but if I tried to smartass someone with "Send text to <this dumbass> Siri isn't new" I'd be laughed at by <this dumbass> because Android doesn't understand what I'm saying. It's misunderstood several different ways, never once getting it exactly right. A few times it left the recipient blank and put "to <this dumbass> Serious is blue" or some such nonsense in the message body. I can't use it at all for dictation because I have to correct most of it manually anyway.

    So yeah, don't be a ****** because it may backfire on you.
    10-14-2011 11:48 AM
  15. Ronindan's Avatar
    No, the iphone4S is akin to the Nexus S. I what I am excited about is to see the what direction or path Google is pointing android to develop. If ICS becomes a success, I would not be surprised if Google will try to merge it with Chrome and have a completely unified os that will run in all major personal electronic devices.
    10-14-2011 01:30 PM
  16. kilofoxtrot's Avatar
    Comparing Android's voice capabilities (at the present) to Siri is like comparing a Model-T to a Porsche 996.

    Siri is more than a Marketing ploy.... its a big step forward from what Android has to offer at the present. I hope ICS offers something similar.

    Siri is the first time I have been jealous of an iPhone feature lacking in Android.
    10-14-2011 01:40 PM
  17. bob13bob's Avatar
    iphone 4s benchmarks, 2x as fast as galaxy s2. In the end, strong competition is good.
    10-15-2011 01:25 AM
  18. themoose615's Avatar
    Comparing Android's voice capabilities (at the present) to Siri is like comparing a Model-T to a Porsche 996.

    Siri is more than a Marketing ploy.... its a big step forward from what Android has to offer at the present. I hope ICS offers something similar.

    Siri is the first time I have been jealous of an iPhone feature lacking in Android.

    This feature isnt new/revolutionary. It's purely marketing. Apple gives "voice commands" a name, which makes the geniuses? I will say one thing about Apple, they are great at making a product look attractive and selling the crap out of it. Smart. But this feature ISNT that great.
    10-15-2011 10:08 AM
  19. kilofoxtrot's Avatar
    This feature isnt new/revolutionary. It's purely marketing. Apple gives "voice commands" a name, which makes the geniuses? I will say one thing about Apple, they are great at making a product look attractive and selling the crap out of it. Smart. But this feature ISNT that great.
    I have used/compared both... have you? Or are you making just making an assumption?

    Siri is great... especially when compared to Android's "voice commands".

    Ironically the only thing that is "marketing" ... is your statement, which is most probably based on conjecture and not fact.
    10-15-2011 10:25 AM
  20. EggoEspada's Avatar
    This feature isnt new/revolutionary. It's purely marketing. Apple gives "voice commands" a name, which makes the geniuses? I will say one thing about Apple, they are great at making a product look attractive and selling the crap out of it. Smart. But this feature ISNT that great.
    No. It's not just voice commands. What Android has is just voice commands. Siri is like a virtual assistant that you can actually interact with. It's pretty awesome actually. If you check out the real world uses of Siri you'll see for yourself. Apple really has something big going here.

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    10-15-2011 10:28 AM
  21. Tripsyk's Avatar
    Apple will develop Siri further. Android will attempt to develop their voice commands to keep up, but Apple is a big step ahead. Of course Google has unlimited resources to spend, so they could catch up easily if they have the man power to.
    10-15-2011 10:38 AM
  22. VideoEngineerAJS's Avatar
    My thought on any type of voice commands, whether they have a name or not... MORONIC. If someone is using them in a public place like a store or say the subway, I wouldn't be surprised if they get knocked out. It's bad enough having someone yelling on the phone, but to have someone do it when nobody else is on the phone and the phone talks back so everyone can hear? Someone is going to get in trouble because they want to show it off. Quit being stupid and lazy and push a couple of buttons.

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    10-15-2011 11:36 AM
  23. anthony2558's Avatar
    I have also used siri. Its far advanced in what android has. Android only seems to be one way communications. Siri is interactive. And its like anything in public. Please use Bluetooth.

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    10-15-2011 11:49 AM
  24. dchawk81's Avatar
    My thought on any type of voice commands, whether they have a name or not... MORONIC. If someone is using them in a public place like a store or say the subway, I wouldn't be surprised if they get knocked out. It's bad enough having someone yelling on the phone, but to have someone do it when nobody else is on the phone and the phone talks back so everyone can hear? Someone is going to get in trouble because they want to show it off. Quit being stupid and lazy and push a couple of buttons.

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    I'd use it on my android if it was better. I don't care what you think of me. Sometimes you're one handed or only have a free thumb and can't type.

    When you're out in public you have to expect to hear noise. If you want silence, go home.
    10-15-2011 11:58 AM
  25. Hearthatvoiceagain's Avatar
    Guys, This thread was not created to discuss the merits or otherwise of Siri, iOS 5 or the iPhone platform. If that is what you want to do please go start your own thread. For everyone else, a refresher on what this thread is about.

    Just a thought you guys. I have been seeing the lamentations of the iPhone fans on tech blogs when it was revealed that after all the rumors, "leaks" and case designs they have had for the last 16 months all they were getting was a spec bumped copy of last years phone and it made me wonder. Are we in danger of expecting too much from the prime. After all, it can't be too much different from other phones released recently specs wise and we have no firm idea what ICS will be like on phones.

    I certainly don't want to ruin anyone's buzz or excitement and I am super stoked to see what my next phone can do I'm just wondering if we should tone down or expectations a bit.
    10-15-2011 12:13 PM
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