10-31-2011 12:14 PM
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  1. VideoEngineerAJS's Avatar
    Might want to scratch 4460 off that list. It's been confirmed on motos website.
    Apparently they changed it again.
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    10-20-2011 02:42 PM
  2. Serial Fordicator's Avatar
    Just read that
    10-20-2011 02:43 PM
  3. Sal's Avatar
    For me the battery will be the deciding factor between the two. Have been really unhappy with the Thunderbolt -- data connectivity inconsistency, GPS never fixed on mine, extended battery bulk, and battery consumption. If someone can make a sleek reliable 4G phone with a decent battery, I'm in. I'll even put up with bloatware, unremovable battery and Gingerbread in order to get that. I'd rather have a "pure" G Nex with ICS, but suspect the Razr battery will be better.
    10-20-2011 02:46 PM
  4. brinox's Avatar
    i've tried motorola phones, on more than one occasion - and i still cannot stand that their battery meter support remains in 10% intervals...

    a cornerstone of owning and using a smartphone is battery life management. how is it that people are able to coordinate and manage their battery not knowing exactly what the % left in the device is?!! if their battery life was comparable to the iPhone, then it wouldnt be so much of a problem - but nearly all the android phones have a major problem with lasting longer than sun up to sun down.


    combine that potential on the RAZR next to a locked bootloader, "timely" motorola updates, an inferior screen resolution, an unproven camera setup and you have a recipe ripe with arrows pointing to the Galaxy Nexus (for me).

    I will surely be checking out the devices before pulling out any payment information, and I will be thorough. However, I will definitely say that *right now*, i am definitely DEFINITELY leaning towards the gnex
    10-20-2011 04:30 PM
  5. BrianTufo's Avatar
    Nexus > RAZR IMO.
    10-20-2011 04:32 PM
  6. Grawbad's Avatar
    I was in the same boat in regards to which phone to get.

    But when it came down to it, bottom line, ICS and pure android with nobody messing around with it takes the cake for me.

    Now that being said the things that I really like about the Razr is the fact that Motorola spent some time on battery and made that really nice app or whatever you want to call it to manage battery life.
    I also like the idea of their cloud, whereas wherever you put your stuff, no need to upload to anywhere, its accessible from your other stuff. That is a really nice feature, and those things are what kept drawing my attention to the razr.

    But as I said, I am still going for the Nexus.
    10-20-2011 04:38 PM
  7. da_goldstein's Avatar
    The only thing that is holding me from buying the Nexus Prime is the Motocast feature. I think that is amazing.

    Is something like that available for the Nexus Prime, either by app or directly with ICS?

    Thanks
    10-20-2011 09:08 PM
  8. THARD11's Avatar
    I use my phone for business so I need something that is dependable and has a great radio. I am currently using the Samsung Fascinate and the radio and GPS in it are terrible. I have sworn off Samsung due to this. The Nexus is a great looking phone as was the Fascinate when it came out. Would I like to have no bloatware and ICS, heck yea, but can I deal with poor reception and GPS heck no. I am going for the Razr. When I am with someone that has a Moto phone their reception is considerably better than mine (not just based on bars but actual strength as indicated in db). The GPS on the Fascinate has gotten better but it still takes a while to lock on. I think the Razr will get ICS fairly quickly since the Google buy out should happen shortly.
    10-21-2011 08:38 AM
  9. RETG's Avatar
    I like the looks of the Razr, but Moto sure screwed up the update to GB on the X and they have failed to fix the problem. The other problem with the Razr is how do you pull the battery if necessary? At least once a week, my X locks up and you have to pull the battery (shades of BB). So, on the Razr, if this lock up happens, how do you pull a battery? You can't. (And please, no one tell me a battery pull is not necessary on an Android...in some cases it is, and even tech support will tell you that it is.)

    I tried a Samsung Fascinate for a few days before the X, and as the previous person noted, the radio was terrible. Granted, I live in a small town in the middle of a desert, but my X can pull in signals where the fascinate could not.

    Maybe the Vigor is what some of us should be looking at.
    10-21-2011 10:07 AM
  10. SmokeNMirrors's Avatar
    I've been debating between the phones and am currently leaning toward the Razr. I've seen too many problems with the Charge locking up, battery overheating, GPS failures, poor radio etc. Most of these issues seem far too common on Samsung hardware. Moto is vastly superior for everything but screen tech and the Razr uses a Samsung display (albeit at a lower resolution).

    I'm (of course) tempted by the GNex's screen but I'd rather have a great device than just a great screen. I'll also make use of the vastly better peripherals Moto offers.

    Moto has confirmed ICS for the Razr (and Bionic) for early next year. I'm fine with that. I'm in no hurry to beta test ICS for Google. I'll actually make use of 70% of the Moto bloat anyway (some of those are very nice apps).

    I'm not thrilled about the non-removable battery but that's less of an issue than not having an SD card slot! I already have a few external Duracell power packs and they work perfectly well for me without an actual battery swap. I expect the Razr will have vastly better battery life too (we'll see once released). I read somewhere (Moto's forum?) that you can hold power and a volume key or such to do a reset so battery pull is a non-issue.

    I don't care that much about the camera so that's not a big deal. NFC is mostly useless as is a barometer. I'll get much better use out of a tough build, splash guard, and battery life.

    I'll wait until I can hold (and play) with both before I decide but those are my thoughts for what they're worth. To each their own!
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    10-21-2011 04:36 PM
  11. Live2ride883's Avatar
    I have already decided to get both and then make my choice and keep the other for a spare.
    10-21-2011 04:43 PM
  12. Droid800's Avatar
    Lack of NFC on the RAZR makes it a no go for me.
    10-21-2011 10:42 PM
  13. philly's Avatar
    so I did something really dumb.. but I considered it open-minded.. I went and bought 2 Iphone 4's as replacements because the price (99 each) seemed like a great deal for a decent smartphone.

    On the very first day I owned it, I could do nothing but view it as a downgrade of my Samsung Fascinate.. which I already consider a bad phone. The Iphone 4 dropped 2 calls in a matter of 10 minutes on a stretch road that I travel home every day and am ussually on the phone.. and I had never once had a dropped call before.. Infact I cant remember getting a dropped call on my fascinate anywhere. On top of that the OS was very bad.. I really dont understand how Apple fanboys exist.. they honestly must have never tried the competetion or something.. Android is leaps and bounds easier, and much much better.. and Ive only used 2.1 and 2.2. The final straw was the fact that the iphone 4's speaker quality was terrible.. I went from crystal clear phone calls to barely understanding what people were saying to me.

    The Iphone 4's were both returned today.. I happily paid the $70 restocking fees. I got my fiance the HTC rhyme.. which in the past 2 hours of her playing with it she is already 10 times happier then she was with the white iphone 4.

    So now I'm back to square one and while I was almost talked into buying an Incredible 2, I backed out at the last second realizing if I'm going to pay for a monthly service.. I misewell spend the extra 100-150 upfront and get a top of the line phone. So the wait continues for the launch of the Galaxy Nexus and the Motorola Droid Razr.

    After researching some of the hands on videos and opinions here are some of questions, concerns and opinions:

    RAZR:
    - The bezel on the outside, is ugly.
    - Motoblur is something I'd prefer to do without.
    - No ICS
    + The build quality should be great, and voice quality, signal strength and GPS lockons are probably my 3 most importanty factors.. and I really dont foresee the Razr disapointing in those aspects.
    + I could absolutely careless about NFC.. infact Id much rather just swipe my credit card which takes 2 seconds and not have my information stored on my phone like that, sounds like something hackers could have a field day with.

    NEXUS
    - Has Samsung stepped up and improved their radio/gps chips they are using in these top of the line phones?
    - Previous phone is a Samsung Fascinate, and after the froyo delay of like 6+ months I told myself not to trust them again.. Along with alot of quirky issues Ive run into.. which led me to pretty much sware off Samsung phones
    + but I think my pure love of the looks.. the curved glass look is something I def. like/ICS and decent specs on the Nexus are enough for me to give them another chance.. Plus the fact its coming stock with ICS, one thing I also told myself is never buy another smart phone that doesnt come preloaded with the absolute latest released OS.

    I am at this point heavily favoring the Nexus you could say.. But we have no official pre-order/launch date for the phone so if it doesnt have a confirmed pre-order/launch date by Nov. 4th at the latest.. I will have a pre-order for a Razr.

    Its pretty much hardware vs software to me at this point.. the ICS is a clear winner.. But I would like to try motorolas newest product to see how well the attenna fairs.


    thanks for all the opinions everyone.. one thing we can all know for sure is.. both phones are easily 10x better then the iphone 4, infact reverting back to my samsung fascinate was extremely pleasing.. made me appreciate it so much more.
    10-21-2011 10:55 PM
  14. Bob61's Avatar
    I've been debating between the phones and am currently leaning toward the Razr. I've seen too many problems with the Charge locking up, battery overheating, GPS failures, poor radio etc. Most of these issues seem far too common on Samsung hardware. Moto is vastly superior for everything but screen tech and the Razr uses a Samsung display (albeit at a lower resolution).

    I'm (of course) tempted by the GNex's screen but I'd rather have a great device than just a great screen. I'll also make use of the vastly better peripherals Moto offers.

    Moto has confirmed ICS for the Razr (and Bionic) for early next year. I'm fine with that. I'm in no hurry to beta test ICS for Google. I'll actually make use of 70% of the Moto bloat anyway (some of those are very nice apps).

    I'm not thrilled about the non-removable battery but that's less of an issue than not having an SD card slot! I already have a few external Duracell power packs and they work perfectly well for me without an actual battery swap. I expect the Razr will have vastly better battery life too (we'll see once released). I read somewhere (Moto's forum?) that you can hold power and a volume key or such to do a reset so battery pull is a non-issue.

    I don't care that much about the camera so that's not a big deal. NFC is mostly useless as is a barometer. I'll get much better use out of a tough build, splash guard, and battery life.

    I'll wait until I can hold (and play) with both before I decide but those are my thoughts for what they're worth. To each their own!
    Found your comments about the Charge problems interesting. I've had mine for about 3 weeks now, no lock up, no issue with battery heating up, and haven't seen any problems with GPS. U really like the Charge and considering Nexus as next phone.

    Sent from my SCH-I510 using Tapatalk
    10-21-2011 11:15 PM
  15. delco714's Avatar
    Found your comments about the Charge problems interesting. I've had mine for about 3 weeks now, no lock up, no issue with battery heating up, and haven't seen any problems with GPS. U really like the Charge and considering Nexus as next phone.

    Sent from my SCH-I510 using Tapatalk
    For the charge you seem to be the exception not the rule
    10-22-2011 12:06 AM
  16. borgey401's Avatar
    Wow, I can't believe people still use that crap that Motorola puts out. They have not produced a solid device since the original DROID. Nexus is hands down the superior phone, but I guess some people are just completely brain washed by the DROID name.
    10-22-2011 12:38 AM
  17. Droid800's Avatar
    Wow, I can't believe people still use that crap that Motorola puts out. They have not produced a solid device since the original DROID. Nexus is hands down the superior phone, but I guess some people are just completely brain washed by the DROID name.
    The X and X2 are fantastic, so I'm not quite sure what you mean.
    10-22-2011 01:23 AM
  18. Droid800's Avatar
    so I did something really dumb.. but I considered it open-minded.. I went and bought 2 Iphone 4's as replacements because the price (99 each) seemed like a great deal for a decent smartphone.

    On the very first day I owned it, I could do nothing but view it as a downgrade of my Samsung Fascinate.. which I already consider a bad phone. The Iphone 4 dropped 2 calls in a matter of 10 minutes on a stretch road that I travel home every day and am ussually on the phone.. and I had never once had a dropped call before.. Infact I cant remember getting a dropped call on my fascinate anywhere. On top of that the OS was very bad.. I really dont understand how Apple fanboys exist.. they honestly must have never tried the competetion or something.. Android is leaps and bounds easier, and much much better.. and Ive only used 2.1 and 2.2. The final straw was the fact that the iphone 4's speaker quality was terrible.. I went from crystal clear phone calls to barely understanding what people were saying to me.

    The Iphone 4's were both returned today.. I happily paid the $70 restocking fees. I got my fiance the HTC rhyme.. which in the past 2 hours of her playing with it she is already 10 times happier then she was with the white iphone 4.

    So now I'm back to square one and while I was almost talked into buying an Incredible 2, I backed out at the last second realizing if I'm going to pay for a monthly service.. I misewell spend the extra 100-150 upfront and get a top of the line phone. So the wait continues for the launch of the Galaxy Nexus and the Motorola Droid Razr.

    After researching some of the hands on videos and opinions here are some of questions, concerns and opinions:

    RAZR:
    - The bezel on the outside, is ugly.
    - Motoblur is something I'd prefer to do without.
    - No ICS
    + The build quality should be great, and voice quality, signal strength and GPS lockons are probably my 3 most importanty factors.. and I really dont foresee the Razr disapointing in those aspects.
    + I could absolutely careless about NFC.. infact Id much rather just swipe my credit card which takes 2 seconds and not have my information stored on my phone like that, sounds like something hackers could have a field day with.

    NEXUS
    - Has Samsung stepped up and improved their radio/gps chips they are using in these top of the line phones?
    - Previous phone is a Samsung Fascinate, and after the froyo delay of like 6+ months I told myself not to trust them again.. Along with alot of quirky issues Ive run into.. which led me to pretty much sware off Samsung phones
    + but I think my pure love of the looks.. the curved glass look is something I def. like/ICS and decent specs on the Nexus are enough for me to give them another chance.. Plus the fact its coming stock with ICS, one thing I also told myself is never buy another smart phone that doesnt come preloaded with the absolute latest released OS.

    I am at this point heavily favoring the Nexus you could say.. But we have no official pre-order/launch date for the phone so if it doesnt have a confirmed pre-order/launch date by Nov. 4th at the latest.. I will have a pre-order for a Razr.

    Its pretty much hardware vs software to me at this point.. the ICS is a clear winner.. But I would like to try motorolas newest product to see how well the attenna fairs.


    thanks for all the opinions everyone.. one thing we can all know for sure is.. both phones are easily 10x better then the iphone 4, infact reverting back to my samsung fascinate was extremely pleasing.. made me appreciate it so much more.
    Response to the bolded part: Samsung doesn't push updates for the Nexus. Only Google does. So there shouldn't be any update delays at all.
    10-22-2011 01:24 AM
  19. philly's Avatar
    Response to the bolded part: Samsung doesn't push updates for the Nexus. Only Google does. So there shouldn't be any update delays at all.
    Yea but thats not my concern, heck its coming out with ICS I wouldnt expect a new OS update anytime soon.

    My point is more so as a consumer, when a company tells you to expect one thing.. and you get something completely different after you purchase the phone.. you shouldnt just keep going back to them.

    But of course the blame with that is tricky, Verizon reps throw Samsung under the bus, and I'm sure if I talked to a Samsung Rep they probably would of thrown Verizon under the bus.
    10-22-2011 07:34 AM
  20. CynicX's Avatar
    Wow, I can't believe people still use that crap that Motorola puts out. They have not produced a solid device since the original DROID. Nexus is hands down the superior phone, but I guess some people are just completely brain washed by the DROID name.
    By solid you obviously don't mean build quality. Razr = gorilla glass, metals, Kevlar, water resistant. GN = cheap plastics like all Samsung products.

    This is my debate about the two. I have a fairly active life style and I work outside in poor conditions quite often. Saying that I have a Motorola Xoom and a Samsung Galaxy 10.1, I wouldn't take the Samsung outside of my house. Meanwhile I'll toss my Xoom around like I didn't own it.

    IF the Razr had a replaceable battery I'd probably go with it. So unless reports are the Razr has amazing battery life I'm going to stick with the Nexus.
    10-22-2011 08:30 AM
  21. philly's Avatar
    serious concern over here:

    Been spending most of my morning researching various articles and impressions of both phones. I really want the Nexus phone (stock android is how all android phones should be) but I have one very serious issue and for some reason this entire aspect of phones seems to not be focused on as much as it should be...

    Gorilla Glass. Before someone responds that has no idea what they are talking about and downplays the importance of Gorilla Glass.. let me just tell you it has been the biggest advancement in phones IMO in years. I have had every cell phone up to this point so scratched and hideous or with an annoying screen protector on it (infact, I simply will never use a screen protector again.). I currently own a Galaxy S phone and the Gorilla Glass is amazing.. I have beat the crap out of this phone.. probably 50+ drops... along with storing it in my pocket with my keys, and just plain not taking any precautions at all with how I use, or handle it. and After a solid years use with the phone.. the screen looks as nice as it did the day I bought it.

    I mentioned that people dont pay enough attention to this stuff, because for example I just bought my girl the HTC Rhyme, I assumed it would be Gorilla Glass but according to cornings website it isnt. Yet in none of the reviews I can find online do they even mention anything about it.. are these reviewers seriously so niave that they will pick apart a phone and yet not even shed any light on one very important aspect of the phone? As far as im concerned it should be a part of every phone review.. the screens resistance.. and whether it has Gorilla Glass or some sort of comparible protection applied to the glass.

    anyhow.. my whole point of all of this is, I cannot find a clear answer as to whether the G-NEX has Gorilla Glass and I'm pretty sure it won't end up having it.. which to me might force me to buy a Droid Razr which would be pretty upsetting.. as the G-NEX is perfect IMO in every other aspect. I wish samsung would announce whether it has some sort of comparible screen protection then I would probably be fine with it.. but IMO the days of expecting people to use screen protectors died the day the galaxy S launched.
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    10-22-2011 08:34 AM
  22. delco714's Avatar
    ^ good post well said! though I swear I read it does have it... I'm going for the razr. In a few months I will be on hospital rotations and will have so much crap in my pockets. The only phone that can stand to that beating is the razr. Plus it's extremely thin and pretty light which is important when you're wearing around a ten pound lab coat... Plus the blue tooth hd tv dock and remote set is amazing!
    10-22-2011 10:50 AM
  23. slimjamm's Avatar
    If the sII does this well, count on the nexus to be the same.
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    10-22-2011 11:40 AM
  24. WaistDownUnder's Avatar
    I'm pretty sure Samsung owns a portion of Corning. With that being said, I've read that it will have it and I read that it won't due to the curved screen. Even if it's not listed on Corning's site as a device that has it, doesn't mean you should rule it out.

    Link: CORNING GORILLA GLASS | FULL PRODUCTS LIST
    Corning Gorilla Glass is used by more than 30 major brands, has been designed into more than 500 product models, and is featured on more than 400 million devices worldwide. Due to customer agreements, we cannot identify all devices that feature Gorilla Glass. Your favorite device may include Gorilla Glass, even if you dont see it listed. Ask your manufacturer or retailer to learn more.
    I'm not sure if this helps at all but I'm sure it will have some sort of protection. This was a big concern with Touchpad owners back in August. I still don't think anyone knows and my TP is holding up just fine from everyday abuse.
    10-22-2011 12:10 PM
  25. RETG's Avatar
    And, per the Corning site, the Razr or the Rezound are not listed, and I know for a fact the Razr has it, and I read the Rezound will too. So, possibly, they won't, can't list the devices until they are actually released. Or, the website guru is slow in listing the latest and greatest.

    But Gorilla glass is very important to me too. I work and live in a desert, and it is surprising what sand can do to glass. However, my X, with Gorilla Glass looks as good today as it did the first day.
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    10-22-2011 04:10 PM
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