10-19-2011 04:36 PM
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  1. mngdew's Avatar
    I was also upset about VZW not offering SII, but I got over it after doing some research on SII. The Exynos in SII is not compatible with LTE (that's why SS announced LTE version of SII recently). SII without LTE is useless to me. Once you taste the speed of LTE, you can't go back to 3G.
    10-19-2011 11:57 AM
  2. phositadc's Avatar
    So don't be pissed about Verizon missing one phone in its stable of dozens - be concerned about whether Verizon is about to try and screw you in a much larger and more important way.
    Uh-oh, what does that even mean?
    10-19-2011 12:21 PM
  3. soccerfon711's Avatar
    The SGSII would have come to Verizon without 4G, which is something that we are going to Verizon not allowing in the future. Verizon has already stated that 4G was going to be their primary network within the next two years. Honestly 4G LTE matters more to me than an 8 MP camera.
    10-19-2011 12:21 PM
  4. ottscay's Avatar
    Uh-oh, what does that even mean?
    It means they still want to pre-install some apps on it. That they may want to block your right to choose from other people's ecosystems (the one that is the most obvious is they may want to block Google Wallet because they want you to use ISIS, which is the electronic payment system that they are invested in). Basically, that they want to offer a pseudo-Nexus, to try and please people who want a stock ICS experience, while still locking their users out of services they don't want to have to compete against.

    The Verizon Galaxy Nexus and the iPhone 4S are the two most important phones on Verizon right now whether you want to get one of them or not - because those phones actually allow (or threaten to allow) consumers to use apps and services that Verizon would rather bar you from. They want to force you to use services that will make them more money, rather than having to compete against those services to win consumers over.
    10-19-2011 12:35 PM
  5. Asterdroid's Avatar
    It means they still want to pre-install some apps on it. That they may want to block your right to choose from other people's ecosystems (the one that is the most obvious is they may want to block Google Wallet because they want you to use ISIS, which is the electronic payment system that they are invested in). Basically, that they want to offer a pseudo-Nexus, to try and please people who want a stock ICS experience, while still locking their users out of services they don't want to have to compete against.

    The Verizon Galaxy Nexus and the iPhone 4S are the two most important phones on Verizon right now whether you want to get one of them or not - because those phones actually allow (or threaten to allow) consumers to use apps and services that Verizon would rather bar you from. They want to force you to use services that will make them more money, rather than having to compete against those services to win consumers over.
    While I appreciate your concern, I don't think it will be an issue. Verizon has never forced anyone to use VZNavigator on an Android phone, for example. It wouldn't be a Nexus device if it gets bloatware.
    10-19-2011 12:42 PM
  6. ottscay's Avatar
    While I appreciate your concern, I don't think it will be an issue. Verizon has never forced anyone to use VZNavigator on an Android phone, for example. It wouldn't be a Nexus device if it gets bloatware.
    VZ Nav was an example - Google Maps is too big a seller to actually remove it (although Storm users had no choice but to use it). On the other hand many Verizon Androidphones were forced to use Bing as their default search enginge. Verizon has a long history of doing this. I'd guess that Google Wallet is most at risk here, but I could also see them demanding integration of their contacts manager into the People app, for example.

    And remember: Nexus is a brand name. What a Nexus "is" is however the phone ships with the name intact. Google has good reason for trying to maintain the purity of the Nexus experience, but Verizon also has a lot of incentives to try and add other crap to it. This is my point - given Verizon's long history of anti-consumer actions on a host of different phones people should be reminding Verizon of how important this is to us.
    10-19-2011 01:05 PM
  7. Asterdroid's Avatar
    VZ Nav was an example - Google Maps is too big a seller to actually remove it (although Storm users had no choice but to use it). On the other hand many Verizon Androidphones were forced to use Bing as their default search enginge. Verizon has a long history of doing this. I'd guess that Google Wallet is most at risk here, but I could also see them demanding integration of their contacts manager into the People app, for example.

    And remember: Nexus is a brand name. What a Nexus "is" is however the phone ships with the name intact. Google has good reason for trying to maintain the purity of the Nexus experience, but Verizon also has a lot of incentives to try and add other crap to it. This is my point - given Verizon's long history of anti-consumer actions on a host of different phones people should be reminding Verizon of how important this is to us.
    I just feel that Nexus phones will be treated the same way as the iPhone and not receive any carrier bloatware. Only time will tell.
    10-19-2011 01:54 PM
  8. ottscay's Avatar
    I just feel that Nexus phones will be treated the same way as the iPhone and not receive any carrier bloatware. Only time will tell.
    Could totally be. Hope so!
    10-19-2011 02:57 PM
  9. Droid800's Avatar
    It means they still want to pre-install some apps on it. That they may want to block your right to choose from other people's ecosystems (the one that is the most obvious is they may want to block Google Wallet because they want you to use ISIS, which is the electronic payment system that they are invested in). Basically, that they want to offer a pseudo-Nexus, to try and please people who want a stock ICS experience, while still locking their users out of services they don't want to have to compete against.

    The Verizon Galaxy Nexus and the iPhone 4S are the two most important phones on Verizon right now whether you want to get one of them or not - because those phones actually allow (or threaten to allow) consumers to use apps and services that Verizon would rather bar you from. They want to force you to use services that will make them more money, rather than having to compete against those services to win consumers over.
    Did you pay attention to the ICS conference at all? ALL installed apps, whether carrier-installed or Google core apps, are uninstallable, and there is NOTHING that Verizon can do about it. You're worrying for no reason.
    10-19-2011 04:19 PM
  10. kvlt's Avatar
    Did you pay attention to the ICS conference at all? ALL installed apps, whether carrier-installed or Google core apps, are uninstallable, and there is NOTHING that Verizon can do about it. You're worrying for no reason.
    Not uninstallable. You can simply freeze them, not remove them.
    10-19-2011 04:22 PM
  11. Captain Hindsight's Avatar
    DROID RAZR has the OMAP 4430 clocked at 1.2 GHz and it benchmarked above (not by much) the SGSII on CF-bench. Nexus has the OMAP 4460 clocked at 1.2 GHz. FWIW.
    The RAZR has the 4460.
    10-19-2011 04:36 PM
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