10-19-2011 04:36 PM
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  1. phositadc's Avatar
    Let me start this post by saying that I think the Galaxy Nexus looks like a great phone. So I am NOT about to bash it. I'm about to bash Verizon.

    Remember when Galaxy S2 leaks first started coming out, there was much discussion and suggestion that it would first come to Verizon. In fact, at some points, Verizon even seemed to confirm it (making a post about a new Samsung device that appeared to be the GS2, but later clarifying they were actually talking about the Tab).

    Ultimately, to much disappointment, Verizon eventually confirmed that they would not be getting a Galaxy S2 at all. None. Nada. Nilch. This brought back horrifying memories of the Nexus One, which was so highly anticipated as coming to Verizon, never showing up.

    But Verizon kept our hopes up. Verizon told us that something even better than the GS2 would be coming, and that it would be coming soon.

    Now we know what that is. It's the Galaxy Nexus, and it's going to be a great phone. But arguably, the SGS2 has better hardware. It has Exynos, a better GPU, the best smartphone camera on the market (maybe the Nexus will prove to be better, only time will tell... but the GS2 has a stellar camera by all accounts). The SGS2 is thinner and lighter. The SGS2 has an SD card slot.

    The obvious advantages of the Galaxy Nexus are screen and ICS. But presumably the GS2 will get ICS (and certainly it will get ICS if you are willing to root), and it remains to be seen whether the HD screen turns out to be a benefit or a mere battery drainer.

    Finally, the GS2 has been out on Sprint for over a month. By the time the Galaxy Nexus arrives on Verizon, the Sprint GS2 will probably have been out for 2 months (and I add, Verizon has still failed to provide a formal announcement of the Nexus, despite formal announcements from European and Asian carriers).

    In short, Verizon screwed us on the SGS2. It then told us something better was coming soon. It now appears that the "something better" is really only better in the software-sense, and by "soon" Verizon meant 2+ months.

    The Galaxy Nexus is going to be sweet. But I remain pissed that Verizon led us on with the Galaxy S2 and was the only carrier that never got it.

    Sorry for the rant.

    P.s. I'm also worried about how much thicker the Vzw version of the Nexus will be than the HSPA+ version. Google has confirmed it will be thicker but has not said by how much.
    10-19-2011 08:07 AM
  2. ragnarokx's Avatar
    I think the old adage applies well here - "don't knock it 'till you try it."

    Also a metaphor: you can have the highest horsepower engine around, but if you aren't efficiently putting power to the pavement that engine won't do you much good. The Nexus phones make more out of their hardware than any other Android phones, because Google designs Android around them.
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    10-19-2011 08:15 AM
  3. dcgore's Avatar
    I am a bit upset too. I believe the GSII would've been a great offering. it won't be long before manufacturers will catch up to the Nexus specs and will be running ICS. The Galaxy Nexus will be a forgotten phone just like the Nexus S in not such a distant future.
    10-19-2011 08:15 AM
  4. EggoEspada's Avatar
    it'll probably be like 9.5mm or something. Thats about how much the Galaxy SII HD LTE is last I checked.

    Sent from my ADR6400L
    10-19-2011 08:15 AM
  5. BigDFSU's Avatar
    I won't lie, I wish I had a choice. I'm happy with the Nexus and will get it. That said, had the S2 been released on VZW(and had LTE), then I probably would not have bothered waiting for the Nexus.

    Now if VZW drops the ball on the Nexus(sounds like negotiating might still be going on), then there will be a big issue. We were denied the S2 because of the Nexus, that means the Nexus better happen and VZW better not screw around with some of the features that make a phone a Nexus.
    10-19-2011 08:17 AM
  6. phositadc's Avatar
    I won't lie, I wish I had a choice. I'm happy with the Nexus and will get it. That said, had the S2 been released on VZW(and had LTE), then I probably would not have bothered waiting for the Nexus.

    Now if VZW drops the ball on the Nexus(sounds like negotiating might still be going on), then there will be a big issue. We were denied the S2 because of the Nexus, that means the Nexus better happen and VZW better not screw around with some of the features that make a phone a Nexus.
    Yes, you have expressed my sentiment exactly in a shorter post. Thank you.

    Again, it's not that I'm disappointed with the Galaxy Nexus. It's just that with Verizon screwing us on the SGS2 and telling us something better was coming very soon, I was perhaps expecting a little more (and a little sooner).
    10-19-2011 08:23 AM
  7. Nchaka's Avatar
    I was expecting a different phone, not a larger Galaxy S2. They could have changed the specs, maybe a 1.4 dual core, a little more ram. And released on all carriers like the S2.
    10-19-2011 08:28 AM
  8. VideoEngineerAJS's Avatar
    it'll probably be like 9.5mm or something. Thats about how much the Galaxy SII HD LTE is last I checked.

    Sent from my ADR6400L
    If that's true then I'll be happy as the Thunderbolt by all accounts seems to be 13-14mm. If it's less than a milimeter added on then most people will barely notice.
    10-19-2011 08:28 AM
  9. sep2006's Avatar
    It seems like it's gonna release on AT&T or T-Mobile first as they focused on the HSPA+ Version....
    10-19-2011 08:32 AM
  10. byrds8's Avatar
    Accordng to the leaked MAP Verizon should br selling the nexus on Nov 10
    10-19-2011 08:35 AM
  11. VideoEngineerAJS's Avatar
    It seems like it's gonna release on AT&T or T-Mobile first as they focused on the HSPA+ Version....
    They only "focused" (that term is used very liberally here given that they really only mentioned the HSPA+ one extra time) on the HSPA+ version because it is thinner and most of the world uses HSPA and not LTE. The U.S. is currently the leader in LTE thanks to Verizon, however the event wasn't in the U.S.
    10-19-2011 08:38 AM
  12. BigDFSU's Avatar
    Yes, you have expressed my sentiment exactly in a shorter post. Thank you.

    Again, it's not that I'm disappointed with the Galaxy Nexus. It's just that with Verizon screwing us on the SGS2 and telling us something better was coming very soon, I was perhaps expecting a little more (and a little sooner).
    Yeah, I was expecting a little more. Was hoping that the other set of specs being "leaked" were what we would get. However, after watching the vids released so far, I have no complaints.

    As far as release date, assuming early November holds, I'm actually impressed. I honestly expected this phone to end up launching in December and possibly January after seeing how all the other phones I liked kept getting delayed for a few months.
    10-19-2011 08:42 AM
  13. cridley66's Avatar
    REALLY!

    You guys are pissed about something that is not coming to market. Switch to Sprint or another carrier and get the phone you want. Or, here's a better idea - make the phone you want.

    IT'S JUST A PHONE PEOPLE...
    10-19-2011 09:03 AM
  14. thirsy1258's Avatar
    I've only been following for a short time but pure brute power doesn't make up for os optimized software working well with the hardware. The videos I've seen looked amazing . Regardless if it has a lower computer in it. If the thing is slick with no hiccups because of the os that makes up for it. Just my opinion in what I see.

    The bionic 6 months ago showed video with laggy home screens. I think ics will prove to be very smooth and not lag like we are used to. My tbolt hardly ever slows up and the cpu isn't mind blowing in today standards. Only time will tell but I want the whole package not just specs. Plus the razr looks like a good phone too !

    sent from my thunderbolt
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    10-19-2011 09:03 AM
  15. radgatt's Avatar
    REALLY!

    You guys are pissed about something that is not coming to market. Switch to Sprint or another carrier and get the phone you want. Or, here's a better idea - make the phone you want.

    IT'S JUST A PHONE PEOPLE...
    I agree!
    10-19-2011 09:14 AM
  16. JoJoCal19's Avatar
    I'm pretty pissed too. Honestly after watching the presentation last night, I just wish that we had the same SGS II as Sprint, but LTE on Verizon. I would never look back. The Nexus looks good but I prefer the SGS II. Also those pics that Engadget took with the Nexus look like TRASH. Horrible. I guess Ill wait for an actual review but man they were horrible.
    10-19-2011 09:23 AM
  17. JoJoCal19's Avatar
    REALLY!

    You guys are pissed about something that is not coming to market. Switch to Sprint or another carrier and get the phone you want. Or, here's a better idea - make the phone you want.

    IT'S JUST A PHONE PEOPLE...
    Or you can stop trolling a thread that doesn't pertain to you. No one forced you to come in and read this thread. You could have seen the title and passed it up.
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    10-19-2011 09:24 AM
  18. cggeek911's Avatar
    I think I would rather have this phone with the hardware acceleration and such over a SGSII with Touchwiz. The SGSII may be better in some aspects but who knows until the product is in hand. I will be picking this up based off of Vanilla android alone. For the first time I can say that I actually like the look of vanilla Android.
    10-19-2011 09:30 AM
  19. phositadc's Avatar
    REALLY!

    You guys are pissed about something that is not coming to market. Switch to Sprint or another carrier and get the phone you want. Or, here's a better idea - make the phone you want.

    IT'S JUST A PHONE PEOPLE...
    Dude, read the thread more closely before posting. We aren't complaining about a phone here. We are complaining about VERIZON. Get your facts straight

    When a company to which I pay a lot of money promises me something "better" and "soon," you better believe I expect it to be (significantly) better and soon!
    10-19-2011 09:32 AM
  20. phositadc's Avatar
    I think I would rather have this phone with the hardware acceleration and such over a SGSII with Touchwiz. The SGSII may be better in some aspects but who knows until the product is in hand. I will be picking this up based off of Vanilla android alone. For the first time I can say that I actually like the look of vanilla Android.
    Isn't hardware acceleration part of ICS? If so, other phones (i.e., SGS2) will have it as soon as they get ICS, right? (which admittedly will probably be months, unless you root)
    10-19-2011 09:34 AM
  21. cggeek911's Avatar
    Isn't hardware acceleration part of ICS? If so, other phones (i.e., SGS2) will have it as soon as they get ICS, right? (which admittedly will probably be months, unless you root)
    Maybe so, I'm not sure. Personally, I don't root my devices so I would like the Nexus device over anything else
    10-19-2011 09:37 AM
  22. obi5683's Avatar
    If I had the choice between the SGSII and the Nexus, I'd pick the Nexus. Larger pictures are not better pictures. The GPU is more widely available on other phones (different versions of it) so more software will be optimized for it. Screen is better, IMO. I hate OEM customizations. This will always have the latest version of Android on it. Next year's Nexus will have JB first, but this device will have a shorter wait than any other phone that launches with ICS.

    The only reason that I am unhappy with Verizon is that we are getting charged way more for our 4G phones than any other carrier. I understand that LTE is better, but I can get an SGSII at TMO at a much lower cost. I don't even really care about the speeds. I want to be able to use data and voice at the same time. That is the only reason for me to get LTE. I have 25MB up and down at my house and I don't download much while mobile. I barely use 250MB/mo. I want to be able to spend about $100 less to get this phone.
    10-19-2011 10:48 AM
  23. obi5683's Avatar
    DROID RAZR has the OMAP 4430 clocked at 1.2 GHz and it benchmarked above (not by much) the SGSII on CF-bench. Nexus has the OMAP 4460 clocked at 1.2 GHz. FWIW.
    10-19-2011 10:52 AM
  24. cridley66's Avatar
    Dude, read the thread more closely before posting. We aren't complaining about a phone here. We are complaining about VERIZON. Get your facts straight

    When a company to which I pay a lot of money promises me something "better" and "soon," you better believe I expect it to be (significantly) better and soon!

    You are complaining about a phone. Besides, you are not paying Verizon to supply you with the best phone (your opinion), you are paying Verizon for the best service that can be used by the phones they offer.

    So I think my facts are straight here, but I know it's hard to see that when you're crying.
    10-19-2011 11:13 AM
  25. ottscay's Avatar
    There's no such thing as a GS2 with LTE that would be just like the other GS2s - it would be thicker and have substantially worse battery life. Or (realistically) it would have just been a 3G phone. And then you guys would be whining about that.

    Moreover, Verizon has more top tier Android phones than any other carrier - so the fact that they skipped on one isn't really that huge a deal. Should we expect tons of posts on how Sprint, AT&T, and T-mobile skipped on the RAZR and the Incredible 2?

    People get bent out of shape over whether Phone X will be available, even though it will be bested in 3 months anyhow. If a particular phone is so important to you, just switch carriers - people do it all the time! The biggest and most glaring absence on Verizon the last few years has been a stock Nexus phone of any sort. And the Nexus ties in to a much bigger issue: whether carriers are giving consumers a reasonable choice in other ways - like whether you will get to choose between available parts of the ecosystem (like ISIS and Google Wallet) or if Verizon is going to force you to take the one they want and not provide consumer choice. That sort of anti-consumer action is the real issue, and a untouched Nexus device is the solution.

    So don't be pissed about Verizon missing one phone in its stable of dozens - be concerned about whether Verizon is about to try and screw you in a much larger and more important way.
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    10-19-2011 11:20 AM
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