10-29-2011 11:28 AM
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  1. CBCstillmatic's Avatar
    That's what I been thinking. What on Verizon or any other carrier is more impressive than this phone? Tegra 2 devices? Snapdragon S3 devices? Plus this phone won't have any skins hogging resources from the CPU either. Does anyone even know how the SGX540 will perform at the higher clock speed in conjunction with the 4460? Ok the 543 from the A5 would have been nice but its not what TI chose and the 4470 isn't even sampling yet so this is the best out currently.

    I know the higher resolution may be taxing on it but I trust Google chose the OMAP for good reason. I'm sure the GPU will handle most mobile games like angry birds and hanging with friends just fine.

    Gorilla Glass isn't the only form of fortified glass. Look at the invisible shields from zagg. Now you can get the same stuff from 30 different websites for half the cost but are you going to pay double cause zagg's name isn't on it? Or because best buy don't sell it?

    Give this phone a shot cause there aren't any other better options currently or by the time this releases, so what is everyone so disappointed in exactly? I can't wait for this phone and pure Android.

    Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk
    10-27-2011 11:34 AM
  2. ManBearPig618's Avatar
    I love that people are upset about how phones coming out next summer (reminder: 5-7 months away) are going to be better than the Nexus. I mean...seriously? I think it's fairly obvious better phones will be out then. No one is claiming otherwise. Balance whether you want the Nexus now against whether or not you think it's worth it to wait a half year and make your choice. There isn't any reason to whine that the Nexus doesn't have futuristic specs. Phones can't use components that are 6 months away from reality. Deal with it.
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    10-27-2011 11:46 AM
  3. edoublediz's Avatar
    OP- the nexus is not QHD!! 1280x720 is HD my friend. Im surprised no one else caught this.

    NEXUS OR DIE!!!! It is by far the baddest *** phone. Spec junkies go find you latest spec fix!!! Quit beating a dead horse! We all know you dont like the phone, no amount of whining will get you the specs you desire, accept your losses and move on to the Rezound forum or camp out in future devices!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YAEE YaaEE
    10-27-2011 11:50 AM
  4. Averix's Avatar
    Why do posts like this exist? If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple.
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    10-27-2011 11:55 AM
  5. Cigar-Junkie's Avatar
    OP I am so glad you sat down and wrote Samsung a long letter. They are in a boardroom as we speak and drafting a response that says "we are working around the clock to meet your demands" Because of your letter I am sure we will have a launch date tomorrow, Thanks

    And you know you know your going to get one anyway.
    10-27-2011 12:23 PM
  6. milan03's Avatar
    As I said, I love the galaxy Nexus, it's just not all I hoped it would be. I think if people were more honest they would concur that some of the points in my list of 10 were disappointments to them as well, even if it will not prevent them from buying the phone. I may get one myself, but certainly not with Verizon.
    Have you even tried the phone? I thought so...
    You're trying to sound like a reviewer rather than someone who is excited to try the phone for the first time (and then judge it). You sound like you've discovered some serious concerns and you're disappointed and Google/Samsung pretty much got all wrong.
    What a joke..
    10-27-2011 12:26 PM
  7. el8's Avatar
    Thanks el8. Good reply. RE your:
    1. OK, BUT, it is still better to have removable SD than not to.
    2. Yes, we know it is overclockable, but making it 1.5 out of the gate would've been better. And it will be compared with future phones as 1.2.
    3. It doesn't matter if 94% of statistics are made on the fly, the vast majority of practical usage time will only render approximately a 4.3 to 4.5 inch display because the buttons - which I like- are there. I don't usually watch movies on my cell phone.
    4. Come on now, to have super Amoled plus and HD is preferable. The SGS 3will probably have it next summer.
    5. Of course it has some other kind of reinforced glass. But why do so many manufacturers, including Samsung, preferr gorilla glass for top-end products? This is simply cutting costs.
    6. I prefer the camera on the galaxy Nexus, as I said. But if the phone is so fast, why couldn't it have eight megapixel and fast shutter speed?
    8. There's no reason it has to cost half as much again as an SGS2 ($200 compared to $300 on contract).
    10. Replacement batteries rated at 2000 are already available for the SGS2, no reason they couldn't have put one in this phone.

    As I stated in another post, features I listed in these 10 points, will most likely be included in next generation smart phones, so to identify them as irrelevant does not make much sense. Not that you are, but some people here are doing so.

    My intention is to encourage manufacturers to give us the best product possible, and to get them to us as soon as possible, not to build in delays.

    You can also be sure that many people, possibly millions, will be buying new phones this Christmas. To come out with the galaxy Nexus on other carriers before the holidays is just plain smart. To do it later is just plain stupid. That's my point. And I make it because I want the phone. I'm on AT&T, but I will get an SGS2 before Christmas rather than wait for the Nexus after Christmas.
    Yeah, I want it, but that doesn't mean I'm not a bit disappointed in it.
    I'm certainly not writing them off as irrelevant, just in general insignificant.

    Just for clarity, the CPU is rated at 1.5ghz, it's being underclocked from the factory, clearly for battery life. You made the assertion that the CPU in the Nexus not as good as the CPU in the SGS2, it's simply not true. The truly better CPUs simply aren't available for production yet.

    For the display, I'm still not convinced that SAMOLED+ would be a tremendous benefit at this resolution - perhaps it is, but this display is by every account, fantastic.

    Who knows why they don't make the Nexus devices with Gorilla Glass, maybe the curved screen? There's no explanation, I doubt it's simply a matter of costs though - this is Samsung's flagship phone. Like with many of the other issues, you're complaining about issues that aren't even known to be issues.

    You said you don't watch movies (or play games) or use other full screen apps. I understand, that's your personal preference. Perhaps in this instance a 4.5" screen with dedicated soft keys would be better - I don't know. I'm looking forward to the 4.65" with on-display buttons. I do watch movies, I do play games, and will appreciate the extra space when needed.

    For the cost, we don't know what the costs are going to be in the US. It's assumed to be $299 on Verizon, along with the rest of the dual core LTE phones. Maybe it'll be cheaper on the carriers without LTE - who knows.

    The camera is the first of it's kind. There is no other phone camera like it. You ask why it couldn't be 8MP, I'm sure there's a reason for that, and not because it would add some marginal incremental cost to the build. It's truly a cutting edge feature.

    For the battery - as always, it's a size issue. The 2000mah battery for the SGS2 requires a new cover, because it's thicker. I'm sure there will be extended batteries for the GN as well. Let's see how the original battery performs before we crucify it.

    I understand you want more in a phone - and maybe it is better if you wait. It seems like much of what you want simply isn't available yet. Next-gen CPU, next-gen display, better battery (jn the same package), next-gen camera, cheaper 4G, etc.

    If you feel like the SGS2 is better for you, then get that. In my view though, there's not one technical aspect of the SGS2 that bests the GN.
    10-27-2011 12:41 PM
  8. red.foxx15's Avatar
    Between the 2 phones i would have to go nexus. With the 4g speeds Verizon's LTE network puts out vs T-mobiles HSPA+ its worth the $100 difference to me. since the most space i put into a phone is 32 gigs (16 on SD and 16 on phone) i dont really see the SD card being an issue. Since i recently lost and 8 gig card transfering it between houses i find the lack of removable storage better for my clumsy self. my 5 mp kodak camera takes a better shot then my girlfriends 10 mp i dunt even know the brand camera so i have no issue with 5mp cameras on phones (although im not a fan of going any lower). I keep a charger on me so i really dont care about battery life until it comes down to the phone not being able to last 5 hours.

    When its all said and done FOR ME as an AT&T subscriber without there being an AT&T version verizon is definately the best option over the SGSII Hercules
    10-28-2011 05:14 PM
  9. philly's Avatar
    I'm certainly not writing them off as irrelevant, just in general insignificant.

    Just for clarity, the CPU is rated at 1.5ghz, it's being underclocked from the factory, clearly for battery life. You made the assertion that the CPU in the Nexus not as good as the CPU in the SGS2, it's simply not true. The truly better CPUs simply aren't available for production yet.

    For the display, I'm still not convinced that SAMOLED+ would be a tremendous benefit at this resolution - perhaps it is, but this display is by every account, fantastic.

    Who knows why they don't make the Nexus devices with Gorilla Glass, maybe the curved screen? There's no explanation, I doubt it's simply a matter of costs though - this is Samsung's flagship phone. Like with many of the other issues, you're complaining about issues that aren't even known to be issues.

    You said you don't watch movies (or play games) or use other full screen apps. I understand, that's your personal preference. Perhaps in this instance a 4.5" screen with dedicated soft keys would be better - I don't know. I'm looking forward to the 4.65" with on-display buttons. I do watch movies, I do play games, and will appreciate the extra space when needed.

    For the cost, we don't know what the costs are going to be in the US. It's assumed to be $299 on Verizon, along with the rest of the dual core LTE phones. Maybe it'll be cheaper on the carriers without LTE - who knows.

    The camera is the first of it's kind. There is no other phone camera like it. You ask why it couldn't be 8MP, I'm sure there's a reason for that, and not because it would add some marginal incremental cost to the build. It's truly a cutting edge feature.

    For the battery - as always, it's a size issue. The 2000mah battery for the SGS2 requires a new cover, because it's thicker. I'm sure there will be extended batteries for the GN as well. Let's see how the original battery performs before we crucify it.

    I understand you want more in a phone - and maybe it is better if you wait. It seems like much of what you want simply isn't available yet. Next-gen CPU, next-gen display, better battery (jn the same package), next-gen camera, cheaper 4G, etc.

    If you feel like the SGS2 is better for you, then get that. In my view though, there's not one technical aspect of the SGS2 that bests the GN.
    I currently work for a component distribution company and deal with alot of oems.. extremely marginal cost differences make a big difference in the design of products.. trust me.

    I'm not saying thats why they chose a 5mp instead of 8mp.. but trust me.. many decisions on every phone/electronic are based on costs.
    10-28-2011 06:42 PM
  10. red.foxx15's Avatar
    Pair apples with apples then you will see wirefly do something similar with this phone

    Sent from my ATRIX
    10-28-2011 06:59 PM
  11. el8's Avatar
    I currently work for a component distribution company and deal with alot of oems.. extremely marginal cost differences make a big difference in the design of products.. trust me.

    I'm not saying thats why they chose a 5mp instead of 8mp.. but trust me.. many decisions on every phone/electronic are based on costs.
    Couldn't agree more that marginal cost increases make a large difference, I simply doubt that was the driver on this particular issue.
    10-28-2011 07:11 PM
  12. Jerry Hildenbrand's Avatar
    Samsung and the carriers just got back to me, re: your rant. I'll post their reply in full --

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    10-28-2011 07:29 PM
  13. milan03's Avatar
    Yes, we know it is overclockable, but making it 1.5 out of the gate would've been better.
    This is the most mature, thought out, expert-lyke observation ever!
    I'm speechless.
    10-28-2011 09:21 PM
  14. ultravisitor's Avatar
    I think my favorite part is that you called for Samsung's attention to alert them that you will be punishing them by buying a different one of their devices.
    Hilarious.
    10-28-2011 09:37 PM
  15. DaPoets's Avatar
    Sorry OP, I don't agree w/ your post at all... it's not needed, it's a great phone, and if you want a phone w/ and SD card and other things you are complaining about then get another phone.
    10-28-2011 10:08 PM
  16. infernalman7's Avatar
    OP may have misunderstood a few things about the specs and the rollout dates of the Galaxy Nexus.

    (1) Galaxy Nexus isn't made to be a superphone for a flagship phone. It's a REFERENT phone for developers and manufacturers. It's the phone that sets a new standard that Google wants others to implement. These include: soft keys, 720p native resolution, front camera, etc. This phone isn't made to compete with the top range phones already existed in the market. That's manufacturer's job, not Google (nor Samsung who happens to be selected the manufacturer of this device)

    (2) US release date: different carriers around the world use different technology and frequencies. But what happened is that the majority of Asian and European carriers are using the standardized GSM technology on standard GSM frequencies. (850/900/2100 HSPA). Some of the countries even have laws regarding mobile devices sold must be SIM unlocked to encourage price wars and competitions in both device markets and carrier mobile plans.

    Unfortunately (or not) there are a few countries that use a different mobile technology and business strategy. These countries are: Japan, Korea, China and the US. These countries all happen to have amazing CDMA coverage ... and the nature of the CDMA technology requires carriers and devices to be paired manually (unlike GSM technology with exchangable SIM cards). Therefore carriers have come up with "contract" based phones to ensure that their air-time charges remain rigid and churning doesn't happen too often.

    Moreover, all of these CDMA countries are now starting to deploy LTE--a technology that phone manufacturers are struggling to keep up and many of the GSM-HSPA based carriers do not see the technology to be that much advantageous to them yet due to the cost involved upgrading.

    This is why LTE-enabled model of the Galaxy Nexus may arrive in the US a little later than the rest of the markets that will get the HSPA-based models.
    10-29-2011 12:44 AM
  17. ultravisitor's Avatar

    As I said, I love the galaxy Nexus, it's just not all I hoped it would be. I think if people were more honest they would concur that some of the points in my list of 10 were disappointments to them as well, even if it will not prevent them from buying the phone.
    You want honesty? Here:

    Please, speak for yourself and only for yourself. I'm not disappointed by any of the Galaxy Nexus specs because it's an awesome upgrade from my Droid X. Furthermore, I understand that the point of getting a Nexus device is not to have the most cutting edge hardware; getting a Nexus is all about the software experience.

    People who are hardware spec whores might do better to look elsewhere. A Nexus isn't for them. However, I'm sure they'll find plenty of things to complain about with other phones, too -- especially when they realize how long they have to wait to for their non-Nexus phone to get the latest Android version update.
    10-29-2011 12:50 AM
  18. jamesbrown33's Avatar
    1. Yes I was hoping there would be an sd card slot, buts since there is a 32GB sku available I don't really care. I prefer internal memory to an sd card because it is much faster, although It would be nice to have 32GB internal and a 32GB sd I am sure that very few people would actually need that much storage.

    2. It does have a 1.5GHz dual core, but it is underclocked for battery/thermal reasons, If you root it should overclock much better than other cpus on the market seeing as it is the only one actually rated for 1.5GHz.

    3. I am glad they have the onscreen buttons, it gives us extra space when we need it, like video, but keeps the phone the same size as a 4.3" phone. If they gave us 4.65" of usable space all the time, the phone would be huge and I would probably pass on it. I was actually hoping it would be a 4.3" screen in a phone the same size of as the nexus s but I can deal with something the size of a droid x/evo.

    4. I haven't cared about rgbg pentile since I learned how the beautiful screen on the nexus one worked.

    ***edit**
    I forgot to address point 5
    5. Gorilla glass is chemically hardened glass, physics state that this helps prevent scratching but increases the risk of shattering. The real reason the gs2 survived the drop test and the iphone did not was that the gs2 has a plastic bezel to absorb the shock of the impact on the edges, the iphone uses a metal frame which does not do a good job of absorbing the shock.
    ***edit***

    6. I was expecting an advanced 5mp camera and that's what I got, no disappointment here. Plus the pictures taken with it look great.

    7. It will take months for ics to appear on the "superior" sgs2 and by then us nexus owners will be talking about the j release.

    8. All high end LTE devices on verizon have been $300, that is just how verizon is doing their pricing now, I'm sure it will be $200 on other carriers if they choose to subsidize it.

    9. True, but that hasn't been much of a problem for any previous android release.

    10. There are not many phones that have bigger batteries than 1750mAh, even the razor with it's touted great battery life only has 1780mAh (they round up in the press release). I am sure that 30mAh less will mean this has terrible battery life.
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    10-29-2011 11:28 AM
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