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  1. CynicX's Avatar
    I call shenanigans on this "optimization". It's a fluff word imo. It doesn't have any real meaning. Kind of like free will.
    So you are trolling then right? We post proof of the vast improvements of software optimization has made to apple and other devices you ignore and say the word shenanigans as if it was 2004 and that was funny or witty.

    Vote to close the thread that's purpose is purely open for argument .....
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    11-04-2011 01:46 AM
  2. Poopai's Avatar
    So you are trolling then right? We post proof of the vast improvements of software optimization has made to apple and other devices you ignore and say the word shenanigans as if it was 2004 and that was funny or witty.
    Sure just look at iOS... Tell me that isn't a polished smooth running OS.. Why? Because it's tightly integrated with specific hardware, controlled by Apple.
    Google does the same thing. They make ONE PHONE PER YEAR where they tightly control hardware OEM, pick every possible component, and then tightly optimize their code for that specific hardware to tie their users clean and beautiful user experience, the way they meant it to be.
    Then they release the source code to OEMs that mess with it, bloat it and usually sell a completely different user experience.

    Unless you're benching your phone 24/7 and get off on stuff like that, there is no way in the world that any other similarly specced phone will run ICS as smooth as Google's own Nexus for a while.
    Once the next generation components start popping out we'll see better performance, but you'll get a solid 6-10 months of top notch cutting edge ICS experience out of the Nexus, you can bet on that.
    The iPhone is smooth because it's just an app launcher.

    Vote to close the thread that's purpose is purely open for argument .....
    What's wrong with argument? The ancient philosophers didn't think life was worth living without argument and examination of one's positions.
    11-04-2011 01:53 AM
  3. milan03's Avatar
    The iPhone is smooth because it's just an app launcher.
    Cool story bro...
    11-04-2011 01:56 AM
  4. Poopai's Avatar
    Cool story bro...
    Nice counter point.
    11-04-2011 01:57 AM
  5. CynicX's Avatar
    The iPhone is smooth because it's just an app launcher and that's it.



    What's wrong with argument? The ancient philosophers didn't think life was worth living without argument and examination of one's positions.
    You aren't arguing or debating. You refuse to take notice of anything being said...

    "The iPhone is smooth because its just an app launcher and that's it" ?!?!! What does this have anything to do with the vast speed increase it experienced in graphical benchmarks going from iOS 4 to iOS 5?

    For some reason I thought I was talking to several people that didn't get it, not one person refusing to research anything anyone else is saying ir even understand what they themselves were saying....megapixels and cores with no mention of optics or multi threading?

    Shenanigans?

    No thanks, that just someone trying to start an argument/fight rather then have a civilized debate.

    I apologize for wasting everyone's time in this thread....
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    11-04-2011 02:02 AM
  6. Poopai's Avatar
    You aren't arguing or debating. You refuse to take notice of anything being said...

    "The iPhone is smooth because its just an app launcher and that's it" ?!?!! What does this have anything to do with the vast speed increase it experienced in graphical benchmarks going from iOS 4 to iOS 5?

    For some reason I thought I was talking to several people that didn't get it, not one person refusing to research anything anyone else is saying ir even understand what they themselves were saying....megapixels and cores with no mention of optics or multi threading?

    Shenanigans?

    No thanks, that just someone trying to start an argument/fight rather then have a civilized debate.

    I apologize for wasting everyone's time in this thread....
    I do not contest that code can be improved, but rather that it is being "optimized" for specific hardware like an OMAP 4460 over a Tegra 2.
    11-04-2011 02:07 AM
  7. milan03's Avatar
    I do not contest that code can be improved, but rather that it is being "optimized" for specific hardware like an OMAP 4460 over a Tegra 2.
    Still caught up with the hardware nonsense... See in computer science and technology hardware is only half of the experience.
    Unless you're a carpenter or a construction worker where you learned that only the best hardware will give you "the edge"... In that case, I completely understand why you're so lost when it comes to smartphones...
    11-04-2011 02:17 AM
  8. Poopai's Avatar
    Still caught up with the hardware nonsense... See in computer science and technology hardware is only half of the experience.
    Unless you're a carpenter or a construction worker where you learned that only the best hardware will give you "the edge"... In that case, I completely understand how you might feel.
    I don't think that only the best hardware will give me the edge. I think having a phone with the same software as the Nexus plus a quad-core will give me the edge.
    11-04-2011 02:23 AM
  9. milan03's Avatar
    I don't think that only the best hardware will give me the edge. I think having a phone with the same software as the Nexus plus a quad-core will give me the edge.
    I'm sure it will, but not only a quad-core smartphone SoC is not available, but no manufacturing mill in the entire world has produced a single stable sample. OEMs have no access to that technology as of today.
    So yeah, I'm sure Hexa-Core will run amazing on ICS, except right now that technology simply isn't existent.
    11-04-2011 02:30 AM
  10. crzycrkr's Avatar
    I don't think that only the best hardware will give me the edge. I think having a phone with the same software as the Nexus plus a quad-core will give me the edge.
    Yeah, well, have fun waiting for that until July.
    11-04-2011 02:32 AM
  11. Poopai's Avatar
    I'm sure it will, but not only a quad-core smartphone SoC is not available, but no manufacturing mill in the entire world has produced a single stable sample. OEMs have no access to that technology as of today.
    So yeah, I'm sure Hexa-Core will run amazing on ICS, except right now that technology simply isn't existent.
    Indeed, which is why I am in the processing of waiting for its availability, rather than purchasing a dual core phone at the end of the dual core cycle.
    11-04-2011 02:32 AM
  12. Poopai's Avatar
    Yeah, well, have fun waiting for that until July.
    Or February.
    11-04-2011 02:34 AM
  13. milan03's Avatar
    Indeed, which is why I am in the processing of waiting for its availability, rather than purchasing a dual core phone at the end of the dual core cycle.
    Cool! I admire your patience as it'll be a very long wait.
    Also Dual Core SoC technology for smartphones is currently at it's peak, processors are less power hungry, way more mature, and are much better performers in general than it's first generation cousins.
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    11-04-2011 02:35 AM
  14. tntdroid's Avatar
    Disagreement is always good but calling each other a troll and stupid is just not allowed here. Lets tone that part down and carry on with the topic.

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    11-04-2011 02:37 AM
  15. humpagardengnome's Avatar
    Cool! I admire your patience as it'll be a very long wait.
    Also Dual Core SoC technology for smartphones is currently at it's peak, processors are less power hungry, way more mature, and are much better performers in general than it's first generation cousins.
    To me that wait might not be long enouh. As alluring as quad core sounds in mobile devices. Given that dual core tech. has had an effect on pricing @ Verizon. Not sure I really wanna find out the asking price on their first quad core offering. I might just go the way of the ostrich for that announcement.
    11-04-2011 03:13 AM
  16. Poopai's Avatar
    To me that wait might not be long enouh. As alluring as quad core sounds in mobile devices. Given that dual core tech. has had an effect on pricing @ Verizon. Not sure I really wanna find out the asking price on their first quad core offering. I might just go the way of the ostrich for that announcement.
    I think the pricing is more for 4g.
    11-04-2011 03:14 AM
  17. Adrynalyne's Avatar
    Or February.


    You think that you will see quad core devices in February?

    Well, thats interesting.



    Anyway, the grass is always greener. You can play the waiting game for something newer every time.

    You call it the end of a dual core era, I call it the beginning of 'software that can use the dual core' era.
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    11-04-2011 03:35 AM
  18. Poopai's Avatar
    You think that you will see quad core devices in February?

    Well, thats interesting.
    Frebruary or March, yes, especially if the Transformer Prime hits its mark of coming out by the end of the year.

    Anyway, the grass is always greener. You can play the waiting game for something newer every time.
    Not if you only play the waiting game with the yearly cycle that comes with large upgrades. It's just like deciding whether to wait for the new iPhone.

    You call it the end of a dual core era, I call it the beginning of 'software that can use the dual core' era.
    Also the beginning of software that can use quad-core, so regardless of whether dual-core can finally be utilized, it's still going to be phased out for quad-core and be better for it.
    11-04-2011 04:04 AM
  19. Adrynalyne's Avatar
    Well, interesting theory.

    Hope it pans out.

    Myself, I think I will enjoy a Galaxy Nexus now.


    PS--Dual core won't be phased out for another 4-6 months, maybe even longer. I am 100% sure of that. The OMAP 4470 hasn't even been used in any devices yet and the 4460 is just now starting.
    11-04-2011 04:15 AM
  20. humpagardengnome's Avatar
    I think the pricing is more for 4g.
    Given all their recent modifications on plans, data usage etc.,. & recent brainstorming sessionsgiving rise to crap like this Verizon to offer data 'Turbo' API to developers, fees to users nothings off limits & it's affecting more than just 4g. You don't think manufacturing costs won't affect futur pricing?
    11-04-2011 04:23 AM
  21. Poopai's Avatar
    Well, interesting theory.

    Hope it pans out.

    Myself, I think I will enjoy a Galaxy Nexus now.


    PS--Dual core won't be phased out for another 4-6 months, maybe even longer. I am 100% sure of that. The OMAP 4470 hasn't even been used in any devices yet and the 4460 is just now starting.
    I don't think the 4470 will even be used, and the 4460 might not even be used in any other device than the Nexus. Everyone will just go to 1ghz quad-core like everyone went to 1ghz dual-core. And unlike the 4470, quad-core already has a device it is used in, that being the Transformer Prime which Asus has said will come out this year, though it could very well delay.
    11-04-2011 04:26 AM
  22. jamesbrown33's Avatar
    Moore's law. Since the early 70's processing power has DOUBLED every 18 months.
    Just a quick nitpcik because I see this get misused all the time, Moore's Law has absolutely nothing to do with processing power. It states that the number of transistors we can fit onto a die doubles every 18 months, the last couple of cycles we have seen this translate to an increase in power of around 30%, and this decreases each cycle.

    This is all in the light of valuing software more than hardware in the realm of futureproofedness, a value which I do not hold, and instead hold its opposite.
    So if I offered you a choice between a sandy bridge based system running windows 7 and early access to an ivy bridge based system but it had to run windows 95 (hypothetically) you would choose ivy/win95 over sandy/win7?
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    11-04-2011 08:16 AM
  23. phantomash's Avatar
    Or February.
    Or June.

    Asus prime is a tablet not a phone, and it won't be coming out that soon on phone.

    Trsut me when I say I have been in the same shoe as you are in now, that was when the first dual core is about to be launched. However considering that single core devices are still plenty out there, I highly doubt that dual core will go "obsolete" any time soon.

    Plus the fact that I consider the Gnex to be the best dual core phone so far thanks to its tight software hardware integration, if i were to pick pne phone now to use for at least a year time, it would be this phone. Chances are I would very well be enjoying it until the next nexus comes out.

    You can have your quad core phone, but when the next Nexus is out, it is going to triumph whatever phone you're having, and the cycle continues.
    11-04-2011 11:28 AM
  24. reflekt2099's Avatar
    I don't think the 4470 will even be used, and the 4460 might not even be used in any other device than the Nexus. Everyone will just go to 1ghz quad-core like everyone went to 1ghz dual-core. And unlike the 4470, quad-core already has a device it is used in, that being the Transformer Prime which Asus has said will come out this year, though it could very well delay.
    if the Galaxy Nexus runs ICS silky smooth with zero problems, what are you really complaining about? where is the negative in your discussion? just because of the technicality that Google didn't use a quad-core processor? if they used a quad-core processor, what would they have gained?

    if the dual core 4460 runs the phone without a hitch, why is there such a huge concern from you? IF the TI OMAP 4460 ran ICS with known significant problems with lag, or battery issues, etc. then i can understand there being a concern with the hardware specs. but you're basically just complaining about specs on a sheet of paper without actually being concerned with the way the device functions in every day situations.

    you're worried that because the galaxy nexus doesn't have a quad-core processor (which btw, is the ONLY thing you've been complaining about) that it's going to be a waste of money to purchase and that you'd be stuck with old, out-dated, and incapable hardware.

    do you see anyone complaining about the A5 processor and that it's only running at 800Mhz and is only a dual-core processor? of course not. why? because it runs iOS5 silky smooth (which btw, you call just an "app launcher". if iOS5 is just an app launcher, what is android? just an "app launcher with widgets"?). who would even care if the A5 was quad-core or not? as long as it runs the software and the phone without a hitch, which it does. and the same applies to the Galaxy Nexus.

    you wanna wait for a quad-core phone? that's your decision. the rest of us will get the Galaxy Nexus, enjoy it and love it, while you're twiddling your thumbs waiting to, in your own words, "Buy the first phone of the yearly cycle." YUP!
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    11-04-2011 11:30 AM
  25. VideoEngineerAJS's Avatar
    So if I offered you a choice between a sandy bridge based system running windows 7 and early access to an ivy bridge based system but it had to run windows 95 (hypothetically) you would choose ivy/win95 over sandy/win7?
    Heck, I'm fine with a 3 year old laptop computer running Windows 7 because it's so much better than Vista that the laptop actually runs better now that I have Windows 7 on it.
    11-04-2011 11:53 AM
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