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  1. Adrynalyne's Avatar
    What I am implying is that major phone manufacturers are already working on porting ICS to their hardware, and have been doing so since ICS SDK was released. I cannot say for sure when a non nexus device will have ICS, but January of 2012 is within the realm of possible.
    You are an easy 3-6 months from any other ICS device.
    11-01-2011 08:49 PM
  2. pauldroidr2d2's Avatar
    The Xoom fiasco was a completely botched up. But when it comes to software updates, Moto has been quicker than the others in getting them out the door on Verizon.
    It took them about six months to update the X to FROYO.

    Sent from my Xoom using Tapatalk
    11-01-2011 08:57 PM
  3. pauldroidr2d2's Avatar
    It may have better hardware but, most-likely won't be pure ICS. That's why I'm not worried about other phones coming out, unless we know for sure that the manufacture's UI won't cover up ICS.

    That may not matter to some but, it's a big deal to me. When I had the Bionic you couldn't even tell it had Gingerbread installed, unless you looked at the settings. Virtually everything I liked about Gingerbread was wiped out by Motoblur.
    That is probably why it's called Motoblur. It blues anything that is not Motorola. LOL

    Sent from my Xoom using Tapatalk
    11-01-2011 08:58 PM
  4. fed123's Avatar
    I had not trouble canceling iPhone 4S from Verizon. I ordered over the internet, but made sure I cancelled by calling my local store.
    11-01-2011 10:20 PM
  5. Captcha Your Soul's Avatar
    Thanks guys, you've restored the faith in me to get the Galaxy Nexus!

    All the lost excitement is coming back.
    11-02-2011 02:03 AM
  6. Mooem's Avatar
    It took them about six months to update the X to FROYO.

    Sent from my Xoom using Tapatalk
    Um, I'm pretty sure it took them 2 months after launch to upgrade to Froyo (Launched July 2010, Upgraded September 2010).

    Now the Gingerbread update took, what, 6-7 months? There were leaks months before that, however, but they were obviously experiencing issues getting something stable (and by all accounts, they still failed on that front).
    11-02-2011 04:27 AM
  7. CynicX's Avatar
    I suspect the ICS to Razr in a "few weeks", may be the same "few weeks" it took Moto to upgrade my Xoom to 4G. I can't be the only one thinking this...
    I bought my Xoom in March. When I called Motorola at the end of March they told me the upgrade would be available in Sept. By the end of Sept I was 4g. I read this on the Xoomforum but no one could produce anything that said the update would be available "in a few weeks" aside from the salesman at the store saying that. When I mentioned what Motorola told me on the forum everyone basically said I was full of it.

    For all I'm concerned Motorola maybe slow to update at times but always keep to there word. Plus with the Xoom they sent out a free standard dock for the delay.

    Another thing. Motorola updates the Xoom outside the USA. They have full read write access to the SD and nearly no bugs. Google updates it in the USA and we STILL don't have write access to the SD without root. So to be honest I'd rather have their version 3.1 then our 3.2.....they get function, we get a number, whoopy.
    11-02-2011 07:04 AM
  8. CynicX's Avatar
    I think it's worth getting a Nexus than waiting for a better phone. Think about it, no matter what, these newer phones coming out will have Bloat and have a skin on top of it. They also will likely ship with Gingerbread. meaning the update they get will give them ICS. It's a slim chance they get Jelly bean that's coming out next year. And if they do, it porbably won't be until 2013 since the next Nexus will probably come out next fall/winter. Meanwhile this Nexus will get ICS and jellybean once it's released and maybe even the next OS after that. The nexus is a better longterm phone compared to these other devices coming out. And remember, the Nexus is using all next gen hardware. These quad core phones will be using 1st gen and have to go through the initial trials of getting things right. Battery, OS compatibility etc. And the Nexus will definitely hold it's own. Nothing is better than stock android. waiting for these super phones will be a waste imo.

    I'm not trying to be a smart *** I just simply do not know.

    Are the old Nexus getting ICS?

    Won't there be a new nexus to show case jelly bean?

    And the scariest thing I can think of. When the 18 month of Google support expires for the GN do you think its done with updates or even worse rely on Samsung for updates?
    11-02-2011 07:11 AM
  9. Mooem's Avatar
    I'm not trying to be a smart *** I just simply do not know.

    Are the old Nexus getting ICS?

    Won't there be a new nexus to show case jelly bean?

    And the scariest thing I can think of. When the 18 month of Google support expires for the GN do you think its done with updates or even worse rely on Samsung for updates?
    I believe Google has stated that the Nexus S will receive ICS. But it'll be a no go for the Nexus One.

    The great thing about the Nexus is that it's developer friendly and it will have a lot of support from the dev community. Even after Google stops officially updating the GNex, the community will simply pick up where they left off.
    11-02-2011 07:23 AM
  10. CynicX's Avatar
    I believe Google has stated that the Nexus S will receive ICS. But it'll be a no go for the Nexus One.

    The great thing about the Nexus is that it's developer friendly and it will have a lot of support from the dev community. Even after Google stops officially updating the GNex, the community will simply pick up where they left off.
    Good to know. I'm definitely getting the GN. In my mind I can't go wrong. The worst thing that could happen is I don't like it, sell it, buy a different phone. Not really that big of a deal really.

    I have the Xoom which is a dev tablet and although a little buggy at times I much prefer it over the competition. Hoping that carries true with the GN.
    11-02-2011 08:01 AM
  11. ShiZero's Avatar
    Oh look, it's this thread again.


    (This is all I'm going to say in every one of my posts because, really, it's getting stupid.)
    11-02-2011 08:08 AM
  12. CynicX's Avatar
    Oh look, it's this thread again.


    (This is all I'm going to say in every one of my posts because, really, it's getting stupid.)
    You could try just not reading threads you think are stupid. At least that way we don't have to listen to you whine about it......just a thought....
    11-02-2011 08:16 AM
  13. revickulous2001's Avatar
    I would remind everyone claiming a six month update time for other phones that Motorola has already announced that they plan to release ICS for their current devices 6 weeks after ICS launches.

    However, the real question is will Verizon be willing to pay Motorola for the updates if Motorola succeeds in such a quick port.
    11-02-2011 09:28 AM
  14. jamesbrown33's Avatar
    I'm not trying to be a smart *** I just simply do not know.

    Are the old Nexus getting ICS?

    Won't there be a new nexus to show case jelly bean?

    And the scariest thing I can think of. When the 18 month of Google support expires for the GN do you think its done with updates or even worse rely on Samsung for updates?
    It won't be a big deal because by the time the first os after our 18 months of support stops our contracts will have expired and we can get the latest nexus
    11-02-2011 09:28 AM
  15. Adrynalyne's Avatar
    I would remind everyone claiming a six month update time for other phones that Motorola has already announced that they plan to release ICS for their current devices 6 weeks after ICS launches.

    However, the real question is will Verizon be willing to pay Motorola for the updates if Motorola succeeds in such a quick port.
    Verizon doesn't pay for updates.


    Anyway, PR nerds rarely dictate or comprehend development schedules. I will be SHOCKED if its 12 weeks after ICS launches, much less 6 weeks.
    11-02-2011 10:15 AM
  16. PJnc284's Avatar
    If I'm not mistaken, Motorola's plan was to decide which phones they would be updating, not to actually update them in that 6 weeks. Plus we already know the Razr won't be getting it until "early" 2012.
    11-02-2011 10:30 AM
  17. jamesbrown33's Avatar
    ^^^ yes, moto said they would have an upgrade plan within 6 weeks, not an upgrade. I do think that the upgrade time will be quick (the nexus and razr use almost identical hardware), it really depends on how much time and money moto wants to waste on the soon to be dead blur
    11-02-2011 10:49 AM
  18. Adrynalyne's Avatar
    The cpu/gpu/ram combo are the only similarities.

    That said, development time will be longest due to different ril/radio/lte code.

    Then there is Blur...
    11-02-2011 10:55 AM
  19. obi5683's Avatar
    I can't believe Google would do this to us....why make us wait so long? What's the point of announcing it a month before?
    Google didn't do this. Verizon did. The only way to sell the RAZR and Rezound is to have them release first. ICS will be the selling point that Verizon will push. You can't sell a GB phone after ICS releases. Customers should at least be able to see 4.0 is better than 2.3. (Since I mentioned number comparison, I'm sure that someone will mention that 1.5 is higher than 1.2 and 8 is higher than 5...SMH.)
    11-02-2011 11:04 AM
  20. philly's Avatar
    Google didn't do this. Verizon did. The only way to sell the RAZR and Rezound is to have them release first. ICS will be the selling point that Verizon will push. You can't sell a GB phone after ICS releases. Customers should at least be able to see 4.0 is better than 2.3. (Since I mentioned number comparison, I'm sure that someone will mention that 1.5 is higher than 1.2 and 8 is higher than 5...SMH.)
    I prefer windows xp to windows vista..

    I also prefer Final Fantasy 4 to Final Fantasy 13.

    with that said..Obviously ICS will be better then GB.

    Im choosing my phone based on hardware. .by time it gets ICS itll have all the kinks worked out hopefully.
    11-02-2011 11:12 AM
  21. Adrynalyne's Avatar
    And if it doesn't, you will wait yet another 3-6 months for a patch to fix those kinks.

    Nexus owners will wait a week or two.
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    11-02-2011 11:14 AM
  22. JoJoCal19's Avatar
    I just recently went to the dark side and purchased 2 iphone 4s 2 weeks ago.. the phones lasted less then 48 hours with me before I brought it to the closest verizon store and paid 70 dollars in restocking fees.

    Let me tell you IMO why you should def cancel your order, right now.

    1. as far as i'm concerned.. the call quality on iphones sucks bad.. comparing them side by side to my galaxy s phone it was like the difference between talking to someone on a 10 yr old pay as you go phone(the iphone) or talking to someone on a crystal clear land line. the iphone4s ear/voice speakers are just fuzzy and I couldnt stand it.. I wanted an upgrade.. not a downgrade.
    2. I dropped more calls in that very short time period then I have in a year.. I get great service on verizon and I make a routine call to my fiance on the way home from work, almost every day.. just to discuss the day etc.. and on the iphone day on the same road that ive never had a dropped call on (infact I cant remember ever having a dropped call anywhere other then these dropped calls) our phone call was interrupted 3 times with 3 dropped calls.
    3. My signal strength and 3g was actually worse then what I was getting with my galaxy S.
    4. Last but not least.. if you like the Android OS at all whatsoever.. be prepared for a horrible OS transition.. using the IOS(5) after coming from android feels like using a handcuffed Android.. so many simple things were not available.. I couldnt do half the things that Android does seamlessly and I thought apples biggest advantage was the software.. it isnt.. infact I have to assume at this point almost all Iphone users have never used android.. or they have and are just rabid fanboys that will ignore a better product simply for their fanboyism.

    I didnt order iphones to be a skeptic.. I ordered them with excitement and all intentions of switching to IOS and being very happy with a solid phone and giving up some of the liberties that I had on Android for a more streamlined easier OS. I didnt order them to pay 70 dollars in restocking fees and deal with CS over some bs regarding my upgrade date not resetting after returning them.
    My point is I ordered them with good intentions.. they just suck so bad I couldnt keep them. Do yourself a favor.. never even think about an iphone again.



    If it hasnt shipped yet.. I.e. - backordered.. it should be a very simple process.. no restock fee. no worries. If your upgrade date doesnt reset simply call them up and explain the situation, they will fix it for you. And if they are backordered.. I have to assume they havent charged you yet because they charge at the time of shipping.
    You're experiences are the opposite of mine and many people I know that moved Android>iPhone. I had the Fascinate from launch until Feb 11 when the iPhone 4 launched. The call quality on my iP4 is superior to my Fascinate, and for that matter my Droid and DX. I've not once dropped a phone call from my end. Even with hanging on to 1 bar. Then again I never dropped a call on the Fascinate either. I can say though that the iP4 has stronger signal and signal retention than my Fascinate did. Can you name "half the things that the iP4 can't do that your Fascinate can" ? I love both platforms but you call the people who prefer the iPhone to Android rabid fanboys? Hi pot, meet kettle. You sound just as bad as iFanbois.
    11-02-2011 11:49 AM
  23. dubge's Avatar
    And if it doesn't, you will wait yet another 3-6 months for a patch to fix those kinks.

    Nexus owners will wait a week or two.
    very true!
    11-02-2011 11:53 AM
  24. philly's Avatar
    You're experiences are the opposite of mine and many people I know that moved Android>iPhone. I had the Fascinate from launch until Feb 11 when the iPhone 4 launched. The call quality on my iP4 is superior to my Fascinate, and for that matter my Droid and DX. I've not once dropped a phone call from my end. Even with hanging on to 1 bar. Then again I never dropped a call on the Fascinate either. I can say though that the iP4 has stronger signal and signal retention than my Fascinate did. Can you name "half the things that the iP4 can't do that your Fascinate can" ? I love both platforms but you call the people who prefer the iPhone to Android rabid fanboys? Hi pot, meet kettle. You sound just as bad as iFanbois.
    did you read my post? if I was a fanboy why would I have bought iphones in the first place?

    Im not going to list everything the phone couldnt do.. the fact it needed itunes and 10 calls to customer service to even get ios5 on it is a start. Simple things I do in my phone like the contacts, dialer, msg'ing time stamps, calling from the messenger etc all sucked *** on the iphone.

    enjoy your crappy phone.
    11-02-2011 12:01 PM
  25. VideoEngineerAJS's Avatar
    The cpu/gpu/ram combo are the only similarities.

    That said, development time will be longest due to different ril/radio/lte code.

    Then there is Blur...
    Also, Motorola finally said that the cpu in the Razr is the 4430 whereas the Galaxy Nexus has the 4460.
    11-02-2011 12:07 PM
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