Not a "real Nexus?" WTF?
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Actually yes it has on Google's own page under features of Galaxy Nexus
Galaxy Nexus
I think Google should at least be responsible for the couple of Nexus's in existence. At least a well informed person can purchase a one that will be updated somewhat comparably with other mobile OS's.
Edit: I got myself a Unlocked Galaxy Nexus fyi
Actually read it. It says fast updates, not first. And compared to other handsets, Nexus updates are STILL faster.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
Actually....and we are dwelling on the realm of semantics now...lol
It says fastest updates directly from Google. Not fast or faster. Fastest could be interpreted as getting updates first. Faster probably could too.
Fastest compared to what: non Nexus phones? Non Samsung phones? The iPhone? I think its safe to say fastest compared to non Nexus phones on this case.
If it woulda just said fast...I would agree with you.
Like if we say Boy A ran the fastest time than the other boys. It puts him at the top in comparison to the other boys. Hope I didnt butcher the analogy too bad...lol.
What I do know is web pages can change at any tine. I never remember seeing that before....lol. Wonder if the web page will change if someone at Google reads this thread... Someone made a good point about Google Wallet earlier too I see...
Like many have said....Google calls it a Nexus...thats all that matters. Its a Nexus in their book, thats good enough for me.
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Your last sentence pretty much sums up the thread: google says its a nexus, Verizon says its a nexus, Samsung says its a nexus. So why is this even up for discussion?
pauldroidr2d2
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Its a Nexus folks... Break it down however you like... As its been mentioned... Google/Verizon/Samsung all call it a Nexus.
It may not be the "GSM" version which receives its updates straight from Google with no red tape but its still a Nexus, copyrighted/signed/passed through FCC cert, etc. etc.. Its a Nexus.
Continue onward with the discussion.
It may not be the "GSM" version which receives its updates straight from Google with no red tape but its still a Nexus, copyrighted/signed/passed through FCC cert, etc. etc.. Its a Nexus.
Continue onward with the discussion.
gravage
Well-known member
Much as an person can be king/president/governor/official in name only, so can the Nexus be a Nexus in name only.
The debate here is not whether it is called a Nexus. The debate is whether or not it truly qualifies as one based on the true spirit of the brand.
I think the answer there lies in what each one of us interprets as "the true spirit of the brand" and how that defined and if that is the case there will probably never be a full agreement.
Also I might add despite what we are debating about, again if Google says it is then no matter what we come up with for debates its still a Nexus in the end.
As you can tell I'm not a big debater
Also I might add despite what we are debating about, again if Google says it is then no matter what we come up with for debates its still a Nexus in the end.
As you can tell I'm not a big debater
zedorda
Well-known member
Too bad "true spirit of the brand" has never been quantified by anything other than marketing. To me it is complete irresponsible to use marketing strategy as truth or fact. This thread is full of people quoting advertisements as if they are tangible points of reference. It has been decades since truth in advertising was law.
I think the answer there lies in what each one of us interprets as "the true spirit of the brand" and how that defined and if that is the case there will probably never be a full agreement.
Also I might add despite what we are debating about, again if Google says it is then no matter what we come up with for debates its still a Nexus in the end.
As you can tell I'm not a big debater
Would you like to be debate something else? Math perhaps? Maybe you'd be a better math-debater?
Oh that rotten lisp of mine....
jean15paul
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You're probably right, but a lot of people who have the Nexus S and Nexus S 4G might be skeptical.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to argue against it being a "real Nexus". I'm on the side of "it's a Nexus because Google says so". But I was just addressing the people who said that we were never promised the fastest updates. We were.
..this whole thread is about spirit and semantics.
All irrelevant because a Nexus is whatever Google calls a Nexus. End of story.
pauldroidr2d2
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Just saw this. Learn the difference between platform and version.
An I did find out the "real truth" of the differences. I told you, and you act like an ungrateful little pipsqueak because you don't understand, yet feel the need to pop off at the lip like a typical insolent child.
I can try to explain anything, but I can't cure stupidity.
Isn't it crazy that you never, ever see anyone wondering if a GSM Nexus is a real Nexus? If the CDMA Nexus was a real Nexus would we really be having this discussion? Nope probably not.
The way I see it the CDMA Nexus can only be considered a "Nexus" because the word Nexus is in it's name. It might be called a Nexus but it is still just another Android phone. Nothing special about it at all.
Let's see here.
1. GSM Nexus is supported by Google and actually gets updates
2. GSM Nexus doesn't have carrier branding
3. GSM Nexus is actually sold by Google
4. GSM Nexus is listed as a developer device by Google
5. GSM Nexus doesn't have pre installed carrier apps (that I know of at least)
Now everyone on CDMA with a Nexus look at that list and compare it to your device. My VZW Galaxy Nexus is STILL on 4.0.2, it has ugly carrier branding that cannot be removed, it has carrier apps, Google doesn't sell it or even acknowledge that exists. It is a Nexus in name only. None of the things I wanted from a Nexus are available on this device. Not a single one of them.
If my Nexus is a "real Nexus" than the meaning of Nexus is now pointless and people might as well just stick with the other non supported Android devices.
The way I see it the CDMA Nexus can only be considered a "Nexus" because the word Nexus is in it's name. It might be called a Nexus but it is still just another Android phone. Nothing special about it at all.
Let's see here.
1. GSM Nexus is supported by Google and actually gets updates
2. GSM Nexus doesn't have carrier branding
3. GSM Nexus is actually sold by Google
4. GSM Nexus is listed as a developer device by Google
5. GSM Nexus doesn't have pre installed carrier apps (that I know of at least)
Now everyone on CDMA with a Nexus look at that list and compare it to your device. My VZW Galaxy Nexus is STILL on 4.0.2, it has ugly carrier branding that cannot be removed, it has carrier apps, Google doesn't sell it or even acknowledge that exists. It is a Nexus in name only. None of the things I wanted from a Nexus are available on this device. Not a single one of them.
If my Nexus is a "real Nexus" than the meaning of Nexus is now pointless and people might as well just stick with the other non supported Android devices.
When you chose the definition, its easy to make it fit or, in this case, not fit your criteria and so not be a real nexus in your eyes. Its almost entirely subjective.
Flip side... here's how I define Nexus:
1. Vanilla Android.
2. Updates written and pushed by Google (the carrier taking their time to test and approve them does not negate the fact).
3. Will be officially updated to the latest version of android for approximately 2 years (maybe less these days due only to hardware limitations). Might not be updated as fast as a model without carrier testing and restrictions, but the updates will come.
4. FASTBOOT OEM UNLOCK unlocks the bootloader. Simple flash of SU package roots you.
That's about it that I can think of. This device fits my definition.
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1. The CDMA Nexus is still supported by Google and will still get updates. There's a difference between slow updates and not getting updates at all.
3. Wasn't the GSM Nexus S sold by Best Buy, not Google? That GSM Nexus S must not be a real Nexus either.
I know people are passionate about certain things. But wow. Just reading some of the "not a real Nexus" posts on here... I'm amazed.
Since the CDMA Nexus came late in the game....there are probably different things involved now since the first Nexus launched that changes things. Since there was never a CDMA Nexus when the first one launched...its kinda hard to say what woulda have happened back then.
CDMA carriers just started using sim cards cuz of LTE. GSM has always used sim cards. Something like that might have made a difference with some things.
I didnt know Google listed the GSM G Nex as a developer phone?
Like it was so kindly pointed out to me earlier....this entire thread is about semantics. 2defmouze made a good point: "Fastboot OEM Unlock unlocks the bootloader." Now....the XOOM has Fastboot OEM unlock too, but the XOOM isnt listed as a Nexus tablet...AFAIK. Technically...one could consider the XOOM a Nexus tablet.
Semantics.
Bottom line: app developers and folks that work on the Android source can use the G Nex -CDMA and GSM version- with very lil obstacles. Thats what makes the CDMA G Nex a Nexus.
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