02-23-2011 12:37 PM
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  1. SUB-dawg's Avatar
    Dont trust any best buy rep.
    02-22-2011 03:09 PM
  2. blizz419's Avatar
    Regardless, I doubt the camera is the issue.
    i completely agree very unlikely it's the camera
    02-22-2011 03:09 PM
  3. FatalErrorz's Avatar
    it is not the same camera as the Evo the Evo may also have a 8MP dual LED flash but it's not the same camera, as i understand it Thunderbolts has a improved lens or something
    Same camera...if you have other info, post it. The one on the dummy unit at BB is identical. Edit: also, please explain to me how you "improve" a lens. All a lens does is grab the light (image) and reverse it. Since it is a digital zoom, and not an optical zoom, it's a single lens and not a complex (double convex) lens. There is nothing to improve. The 5.0mp on the Droid is probably the same "lens" also since HTC doesn't actually grind their own lens'. The megapixel sizing has nothing to do with an SLR lens.
    02-22-2011 03:22 PM
  4. DolfanCole's Avatar
    Same camera...if you have other info, post it. The one on the dummy unit at BB is identical.
    How can you tell if it's the same camera by just looking at a dummy unit? The components may be completely different, even if they may both say "8MP". The sensor and lense could be completely different, and yet still be 8MP. I'm not saying either way, but I don't get how anyone can judge there's a difference or not by looking at a dummy unit.
    02-22-2011 03:38 PM
  5. FatalErrorz's Avatar
    How can you tell if it's the same camera by just looking at a dummy unit? The components may be completely different, even if they may both say "8MP". The sensor and lense could be completely different, and yet still be 8MP. I'm not saying either way, but I don't get how anyone can judge there's a difference or not by looking at a dummy unit.
    I was editing my post when you were replying. Read the rest of my entry. Of course, you could be right in the aspect that the T-Bolt lens comes from Vietnam or china whereas the Evo Lens may have come from America or Taiwan. Regardless, just because it may have come from a different country doesn't mean it would be "improved" as it's spec'd the same. A lens either focuses, or it doesn't, therefore if the diameter of the lens is xx.x millimeters, they are ground to the same angle or they won't focus unless it is moved a significant amount further from the shutter/sensor. Seeing how the phones, for all intents and purposes are the same thickness, it would be the same lens. The CASE is thicker on the bolt to go flush with the camera lens, but that's so it doesn't scratch.
    02-22-2011 03:48 PM
  6. ZacHolley's Avatar
    I think it'll be on the 28th
    02-22-2011 03:56 PM
  7. Droid800's Avatar
    Same camera...if you have other info, post it. The one on the dummy unit at BB is identical. Edit: also, please explain to me how you "improve" a lens. All a lens does is grab the light (image) and reverse it. Since it is a digital zoom, and not an optical zoom, it's a single lens and not a complex (double convex) lens. There is nothing to improve. The 5.0mp on the Droid is probably the same "lens" also since HTC doesn't actually grind their own lens'. The megapixel sizing has nothing to do with an SLR lens.
    Go read up on camera technology and get back to us. (because its clear you don't know what you're talking about)

    By your reasoning, the camera on the iPhone is the same as the one on the thunderbolt, and they're both the same as the one on the HTC Hero. Its a ridiculous notion.
    02-22-2011 03:58 PM
  8. FatalErrorz's Avatar
    saw an email from a verizon corp store showing 2-28 release date for thunderbolt and the xoom is 500$ for employee's with 2 yr contract
    I just wish they'd hurry up and release it...I want to see all the "My battery sucks" threads.
    02-22-2011 03:58 PM
  9. FatalErrorz's Avatar
    Go read up on camera technology and get back to us. (because its clear you don't know what you're talking about)

    By your reasoning, the camera on the iPhone is the same as the one on the thunderbolt, and they're both the same as the one on the HTC Hero. Its a ridiculous notion.
    My my, aren't you a rude little boy? Are we talking CAMERA now, or are we still talking about the LENS? I'm asking because my reply had to do with the silly notion that the Thundercat has an "improved lens".
    02-22-2011 03:59 PM
  10. prim8's Avatar
    I love f#@%ing with them. My favorite is when you ask about a product and they start reading the information card so you ask them something you know the card doesn't have on it and they just look at you like a deer caught in headlights.
    Yup, because everyone knows it's easy to remember lots of specs on dozens of products and if you don't you're obviously dumb.
    02-22-2011 04:13 PM
  11. DolfanCole's Avatar
    I was editing my post when you were replying. Read the rest of my entry. Of course, you could be right in the aspect that the T-Bolt lens comes from Vietnam or china whereas the Evo Lens may have come from America or Taiwan. Regardless, just because it may have come from a different country doesn't mean it would be "improved" as it's spec'd the same. A lens either focuses, or it doesn't, therefore if the diameter of the lens is xx.x millimeters, they are ground to the same angle or they won't focus unless it is moved a significant amount further from the shutter/sensor. Seeing how the phones, for all intents and purposes are the same thickness, it would be the same lens. The CASE is thicker on the bolt to go flush with the camera lens, but that's so it doesn't scratch.
    There's much more to a lens than thickness. Otherwise there wouldnt be much of a difference in all lenses, even for SLR cameras. Clearly there are better lenses than others, even given the same specs. Then there's the sensor capabilities, which can differ.

    Again, though, I have no idea whether they are the same or not. I just don't believe that thickness, etc., has any bearing on whether they are or not.
    02-22-2011 05:34 PM
  12. blizz419's Avatar
    notice how i said improved lense or "something" i just remember reading somewere there was something about the camera that was improved it may be the sensor i do not remember it's also possible what i read was incorrect my point being that just because it's 8MP dual LED does not mean it's the same exact camera as the Evo
    02-22-2011 05:42 PM
  13. Guntherm's Avatar
    I just wish they'd hurry up and release it...I want to see all the "My battery sucks" threads.
    Lol. Yup agree on that. Should we start it now anyways. We tech geeks are so fickle sometimes. Arguing over a camera on a phone, that isn't even released yet.
    02-22-2011 05:49 PM
  14. colesl4w's Avatar
    in one of the CES videos the guy said it was better than the Evo's camera, and did better in low light... so I'm guessing its a better camera. lens or not.
    blizz419 likes this.
    02-22-2011 05:50 PM
  15. Cyber Warrior's Avatar
    The truth is I have highjacked all of Bestbuys trucks and will be selling the Thunderbolt out of my trunk. For those who want one I am located between Rumor Avenue and Story Street.
    evilmunkeh likes this.
    02-22-2011 05:57 PM
  16. FatalErrorz's Avatar
    in one of the CES videos the guy said it was better than the Evo's camera, and did better in low light... so I'm guessing its a better camera. lens or not.
    Well, I'll find out if they ever release the phone as my wife is getting one, and I own an Evo. She can laugh all she wants, but when I throw out the "I have 4G, do you?" she gets all mad and pouts.
    02-22-2011 05:59 PM
  17. blizz419's Avatar
    Well, I'll find out if they ever release the phone as my wife is getting one, and I own an Evo. she can laugh all she wants, but then I throw out the "I have 4G, do you?" and she gets all mad and pouts.
    and then she ends up with a faster 4G than you if she's getting a Tbolt lol
    02-22-2011 05:59 PM
  18. FatalErrorz's Avatar
    and then she ends up with a faster 4G than you if she's getting a Tbolt lol
    VZW doesn't have 4G up here. Only Sprint and T-Mobile. By the time they get it, I'll have the Evo2 or 3
    02-22-2011 06:01 PM
  19. Joelist's Avatar
    It won't matter if you have an Evo5000. LTE is an inherently better technology than WiMax (and if Sprint switches to LTE it will be really interesting as the radios on their current "4g" phones will not be usable).
    02-22-2011 06:03 PM
  20. FatalErrorz's Avatar
    and then she ends up with a faster 4G than you if she's getting a Tbolt lol
    I wouldn't be trying to brag up VZW anyhow...Hell, the Evo 4G is almost a year old and VZW STILL hasn't released a 4G phone, and has no 4G network to go with it when they finally do...lol VZW is WAY behind the times when T-Mobile beats them. There's also the other story running around this board asking if VZW's plan isn;t a little ambitious and suggesting it will be 2012 before LTE even starts to take off...
    02-22-2011 06:04 PM
  21. FatalErrorz's Avatar
    It won't matter if you have an Evo5000. LTE is an inherently better technology than WiMax (and if Sprint switches to LTE it will be really interesting as the radios on their current "4g" phones will not be usable).
    3G will still work, but you're talking 2-3 years down the road, so 99% of people with smart phones will have a new one anyhow.
    02-22-2011 06:05 PM
  22. FatalErrorz's Avatar
    02-22-2011 06:07 PM
  23. bkorver's Avatar
    notice how i said improved lense or "something" i just remember reading somewere there was something about the camera that was improved it may be the sensor i do not remember it's also possible what i read was incorrect my point being that just because it's 8MP dual LED does not mean it's the same exact camera as the Evo

    The difference between the Thunderbolt and Evo cameras are not the lens. It's the photo sensor. The Evo uses the omnivision BSI sensor and the Thunderbolt uses the much improved CMOS.
    DolfanCole and Bushido Brown like this.
    02-22-2011 06:17 PM
  24. DJBeanPole's Avatar
    Argh. Welcome to Rumorville.
    02-22-2011 06:22 PM
  25. FatalErrorz's Avatar
    The difference between the Thunderbolt and Evo cameras are not the lens. It's the photo sensor. The Evo uses the omnivision BSI sensor and the Thunderbolt uses the much improved CMOS.
    Cool...that sounds a lot more believable.
    02-22-2011 06:22 PM
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