02-23-2011 12:37 PM
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  1. FatalErrorz's Avatar
    Anybody know if VZW is stocking extended mAh batteries at the store yet? The battery is 100mAh smaller than the Evo which doesn't last all that long, but does the job if you turn things off.
    02-22-2011 06:24 PM
  2. NeoLogic's Avatar
    I just wish they'd hurry up and release it...I want to see all the "My battery sucks" threads.
    Dude, I'm so totally with you on that one. Lol. Its gonna be epic.

    Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk
    02-22-2011 06:25 PM
  3. blizz419's Avatar
    Anybody know if VZW is stocking extended mAh batteries at the store yet? The battery is 100mAh smaller than the Evo which doesn't last all that long, but does the job if you turn things off.
    yea i'm def getting an extended battery seido has a 1600 mAh battery that doesn't require a new battery cover, though the 2nd gen snapdragon is more energy efficient than Evo's we still have to see how much of a drain the LTE radio is gonna be i've heard LTE drains less than sprint's Wimax but we'll see by how much when they finally release this phone
    02-22-2011 06:45 PM
  4. potatolover1102's Avatar
    yea i'm def getting an extended battery seido has a 1600 mAh battery that doesn't require a new battery cover, though the 2nd gen snapdragon is more energy efficient than Evo's we still have to see how much of a drain the LTE radio is gonna be i've heard LTE drains less than sprint's Wimax but we'll see by how much when they finally release this phone
    Would you think 1600 is worth the money? I mean no new case is nice but is that 200 extra really that much?
    02-22-2011 07:33 PM
  5. blizz419's Avatar
    Would you think 1600 is worth the money? I mean no new case is nice but is that 200 extra really that much?
    it may not be that much but i don't want to add any thickness to the phone and worst case i'll have the other battery as a back up
    02-22-2011 08:03 PM
  6. FatalErrorz's Avatar
    yea i'm def getting an extended battery seido has a 1600 mAh battery that doesn't require a new battery cover, though the 2nd gen snapdragon is more energy efficient than Evo's we still have to see how much of a drain the LTE radio is gonna be i've heard LTE drains less than sprint's Wimax but we'll see by how much when they finally release this phone
    Qualcomm Snapdragon Processor V3 coming | Android Community

    they are already working on Gen 3 for 2011 phones...T-Bolt = Outdated before it's ever released...? (kidding, it'll be a good phone)
    02-22-2011 08:08 PM
  7. blizz419's Avatar
    Qualcomm Snapdragon Processor V3 coming | Android Community

    they are already working on Gen 3 for 2011 phones...T-Bolt = Outdated before it's ever released...? (kidding, it'll be a good phone)
    lol that's the beauty of getting a 1 year contract
    02-22-2011 08:23 PM
  8. vzwuser76's Avatar
    Ok so answer me this. If all lenses are the same, why do Panasonic Lumix cameras tout a Leica lens and Kodak tout their Schneider lenses?

    If I recall correctly, one of the phones that came out last year had a Schneider lens on it (first time I heard of a camera manufacturer lens on a phone as they usually use a brand X lens).

    There are tons of companies that make their own lenses. Leica, Schneider, Olympus, Canon, Nikon, Pentax, etc. If they were all the same there would be no reason to brand them.

    Here is an article that discusses what affects image quality.

    Understanding resolution and MTF

    And another talks about the difference between lens manufacturers

    http://www.waynesthisandthat.com/bes...lensbrand.html

    And yes, at CES, they were talking how the Tbolt had a better lens, sensor & camera software than is available on the Evo & Incredible. I have an Incredible & it does good (for a phone) but the Tbolt is supposed to be better in low light & reduce the capture time considerably, as well as others I can't recall offhand.
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    02-23-2011 01:40 AM
  9. FatalErrorz's Avatar
    Ok so answer me this. If all lenses are the same, why do Panasonic Lumix cameras tout a Leica lens and Kodak tout their Schneider lenses?
    Because they are in a partnership with that lens producer, like Ford was with Pioneer for their stereos.

    If I recall correctly, one of the phones that came out last year had a Schneider lens on it (first time I heard of a camera manufacturer lens on a phone as they usually use a brand X lens). And last year a phone came out with 2.2 Froyo...yay...it's called "CHANGE"

    There are tons of companies that make their own lenses. Leica, Schneider, Olympus, Canon, Nikon, Pentax, etc. If they were all the same there would be no reason to brand them.And every one of those you listed is a CAMERA COMPANY, and not a PHONE COMPANY like HTC. They brand their lenses to develop a following, and then you have the Carl Zeiss lenscrafter followers. I have a Zeiss lens for my Nikon, and the Sony came with one...Can't tell a difference between it or the Nikon lens...

    Here is an article that discusses what affects image quality.

    Understanding resolution and MTF

    And another talks about the difference between lens manufacturers

    Which Company Makes the Best Camera Lenses? I am talking about a lens of the SAME SIZE...OD, ID, and thickness like the Evo and T-Bolt...Would you guys learn how to ****ing READ? Were you up all night thinking about this? If so, you should have wasted your time on something else.

    And yes, at CES, they were talking how the Tbolt had a better lens, sensor & camera software than is available on the Evo & Incredible. Nothing like a little subjectivity since they weren't taking the T-Bolt apart at CES I have an Incredible & it does good (for a phone) I have an Evo and it sucks for a camera, even at 8mp. My 14mp Sony is much better, but I'll stick with my Canon and Nikon 35mm's for real pictures. but the Tbolt is supposed to be better in low light & reduce the capture time considerably, as well as others I can't recall offhand.
    Low Light would have absolutely NOTHING to do with the lens, but it would with the shutter and sensor. NEXT!
    02-23-2011 01:46 AM
  10. dajogejr's Avatar
    and VZW STILL hasn't released a 4G phone, and has no 4G network to go with it when they finally do
    I disagree wholeheartedly.
    Off topic...but on this subject...
    I just got in 3 free upgrade LTE air cards for a few of my users yesterday.

    We've had LTE in Detroit since the prior week.
    WOW is all I can say. I've been getting bored and frustrated by all the talk of this phone.
    After seeing how fast an LTE USB card is for a laptop...I have a renewed sense of excitement for this phone.
    Albeit cautious....as it pertains to release dates.

    LTE is no joke. It is smoking fast.
    Whether it remains fast once there are plenty of users on it...remains to be seen.
    02-23-2011 05:30 AM
  11. evilmunkeh's Avatar
    The truth is I have highjacked all of Bestbuys trucks and will be selling the Thunderbolt out of my trunk. For those who want one I am located between Rumor Avenue and Story Street.
    I'm all over it! Be there yesterday!
    02-23-2011 06:44 AM
  12. evilmunkeh's Avatar
    Low Light would have absolutely NOTHING to do with the lens, but it would with the shutter and sensor. NEXT!
    I had no idea I'd be starting a "Lens War" ("Sensor War" w/e you want to call it) when I started this thread. You guys are too much.

    Either way, thanks for all your contributions to the thread. This is the first serious thread I've followed on AC and I'm excited to get my TB and get rid of my BB Tour. If the TB isn't released by 2/28, I'll go DInc until it is released (assuming it's released within 30 days of the 28th). I can't stand my BB any longer.
    02-23-2011 06:50 AM
  13. thedeceiver's Avatar
    I had no idea I'd be starting a "Lens War" ("Sensor War" w/e you want to call it) when I started this thread. You guys are too much.

    Either way, thanks for all your contributions to the thread. This is the first serious thread I've followed on AC and I'm excited to get my TB and get rid of my BB Tour. If the TB isn't released by 2/28, I'll go DInc until it is released (assuming it's released within 30 days of the 28th). I can't stand my BB any longer.
    You're doing the right thing, my friend.
    02-23-2011 07:34 AM
  14. vzwuser76's Avatar
    Because they are in a partnership with that lens producer, like Ford was with Pioneer for their stereos.
    Ford partnered with JBL.

    And last year a phone came out with 2.2 Froyo...yay...it's called "CHANGE"
    I was saying if all lenses are the same what'd be the advantage of paying for the licensing of a specific lens manufacturer. And what does froyo have to do with this?

    And every one of those you listed is a CAMERA COMPANY, and not a PHONE COMPANY like HTC. They brand their lenses to develop a following, and then you have the Carl Zeiss lenscrafter followers. I have a Zeiss lens for my Nikon, and the Sony came with one...Can't tell a difference between it or the Nikon lens..
    What does HTC being a phone company have anything to do with the statement about lenses? They don't make them in house, they source them from another company. All they would've had to do is pick another manufacturer who has a better quality lens. I don't get the last sentence. Are you saying both your Nikon & Sony came with a Zeiss? And you can't tell the difference between two lenses from the same manufacturer?

    I am talking about a lens of the SAME SIZE...OD, ID, and thickness like the Evo and T-Bolt...Would you guys learn how to ****ing READ? Were you up all night thinking about this? If so, you should have wasted your time on something else.
    So how do you know the thickness is the same? The dimensions could be very different. We don't know for sure. I'm going by what the manufacturer said. And my post took me all of 10 minutes to write. I just didn't happen upon this thread until late at night.

    Nothing like a little subjectivity since they weren't taking the T-Bolt apart at CES. I have an Evo and it sucks for a camera, even at 8mp. My 14mp Sony is much better, but I'll stick with my Canon and Nikon 35mm's for real pictures. Low Light would have absolutely NOTHING to do with the lens, but it would with the shutter and sensor. NEXT!
    They don't have to take the Tbolt apart to tell me that they changed the camera. And I don't think anyone would say the camera on the phone would beat a dedicated camera, they have more room to install a better lens and image sensor. Low light would have nothing to do with the lens, but it would have to do with the image sensor, like I referenced in my post. "And yes, at CES, they were talking how the Tbolt had a better lens, sensor & camera software than is available on the Evo & Incredible. I have an Incredible & it does good (for a phone) but the Tbolt is supposed to be better in low light & reduce the capture time considerably, as well as others I can't recall offhand." If you're going to quote me, use the entire quote, not just a word here and there.

    P.S. This post took me around 15 minutes, not all morning. And that's all I'm prepared to waste anymore on this.
    02-23-2011 09:26 AM
  15. FatalErrorz's Avatar
    Ford partnered with JBL.

    Shows the depth of your knowledge...Ford used PIONEER for many years in their trucks, and uses Sony in the F150's now. Of course, I drive an F250 (09) that still has the Pioneer 6 disc, in dash



    I was saying if all lenses are the same what'd be the advantage of paying for the licensing of a specific lens manufacturer. And what does froyo have to do with this? I seriously doubt they paid a licensing fee, and merely paid for the lens itself.



    What does HTC being a phone company have anything to do with the statement about lenses? They don't make them in house, they source them from another company.Ummm...That's what I said, and then you argued it...Badly. All they would've had to do is pick another manufacturer who has a better quality lens. I don't get the last sentence. Are you saying both your Nikon & Sony came with a Zeiss? No, I'm saying I bought a Zeiss for my Nikon, and I couldn't tell a difference between it and the Nikon when the picture is printed. Huge waste of money. And you can't tell the difference between two lenses from the same manufacturer?



    So how do you know the thickness is the same? The dimensions could be very different. We don't know for sure. I'm going by what the manufacturer said. And my post took me all of 10 minutes to write. I just didn't happen upon this thread until late at night. They're not going to be "very different" in a little *** phone



    They don't have to take the Tbolt apart to tell me that they changed the camera. And I don't think anyone would say the camera on the phone would beat a dedicated camera, they have more room to install a better lens and image sensor. Low light would have nothing to do with the lens, but it would have to do with the image sensor, (No no no...That is what I said before you started APING me!)like I referenced in my post. "And yes, at CES, they were talking how the Tbolt had a better lens, sensor & camera software than is available on the Evo & Incredible. I have an Incredible & it does good (for a phone) but the Tbolt is supposed to be better in low light & reduce the capture time considerably, as well as others I can't recall offhand." If you're going to quote me, use the entire quote, not just a word here and there. And if you're going to take my side on things later, at least admit it!

    P.S. This post took me around 15 minutes, not all morning. And that's all I'm prepared to waste anymore on this.
    15 minutes? Took me 5
    02-23-2011 11:15 AM
  16. rpalumbo's Avatar
    This is the Blackberry Curve 8330 all over again with VZW, no one knew when that device was coming out. Some people including myself was able to order through a VZW rep if you actually got a rep that was either nice or knew what the hell was going on. It took 4 phone calls to a VZW rep before I placed an order. Just amazing!! By time they actually release this phone we might see the iPhone 7 on 6G.....all abort on the 5G Train....how many bloody "G"s are there!! LOL
    02-23-2011 11:34 AM
  17. vzwuser76's Avatar
    Then stop being a ****** by claiming the camera is so different when you have no proof it's different at all! That's my ****ing point. Fan-Boy
    Our point is that is what the manufacturer said. If they said they changed the camera and didn't and got caught, they could have a lawsuit on their hands. With all the tear down videos that come out after the devices are released, that detail would come to light. Why risk it?

    You have no proof they didn't change the camera. We have a statement from the manufacturer that they did.
    02-23-2011 11:37 AM
  18. vzwuser76's Avatar
    15 minutes? Took me 5
    You said I took your side. I did not. You said the lens would not affect the low light. In my post I referenced the sensor, but you saw that I also referenced the lens and assumed that is what I meant when referring to low light because lenses is what we were talking about. I'd take the manufacturers satement at CES before yours if I had a choice, and I do.

    As far as paying licensing for the camera lens, yes that would be part of it. That is why manufacturers put out components without their names on it. That is why you see parts places selling no name parts, but reference they were built by manufacturer X. If the company using the part wants manufacturer X's name on it, they have to pay a licensing fee.
    02-23-2011 11:43 AM
  19. FatalErrorz's Avatar
    You said I took your side. I did not. You said the lens would not affect the low light. In my post I referenced the sensor, but you saw that I also referenced the lens and assumed that is what I meant when referring to low light because lenses is what we were talking about. I said the EXACT same thing if you'd read back, then you wrote it word for word...that is what I meant by taking my side.I'd take the manufacturers satement at CES The manufacturer never said they changed the lens...just some dude playing with the phone who said "I THINK they changed the lens" before yours if I had a choice, and I do.

    As far as paying licensing for the camera lens, yes that would be part of it. That is why manufacturers put out components without their names on it. That is why you see parts places selling no name parts, but reference they were built by manufacturer X. If the company using the part wants manufacturer X's name on it, they have to pay a licensing fee.
    Show me a name like Nikon, Ziess, or Canon on ANY phone lens.
    02-23-2011 12:06 PM
  20. FatalErrorz's Avatar
    Our point is that is what the manufacturer said. If they said they changed the camera and didn't and got caught, they could have a lawsuit on their hands. With all the tear down videos that come out after the devices are released, that detail would come to light. Why risk it?

    You have no proof they didn't change the camera. We have a statement from the manufacturer that they did.
    No no no...Now it's gone from some dude who played with a bolt at CES and said "I think they changed the lens as it SEEMS to work better in low light" to "The manufacturer said..." Oh **** no. The manufacturer didn't say anything. Yet. But you fan-boys did. When you got called on it, you start twisting crap trying to use semantics and saying "Camera" "Sensor" "Shutter" "Software", etc and trying to twist it to suit your needs. One of you fan-boys said "They put an improved LENS on it", and I said "How do you "improve" a lens?" Ya'll took it on this tangent, not me. Still waiting for something definitive that they changed the LENS at all. I don't think it's changed, and I seriously doubt HTC puts much effort into their cameras judging by the picture quality, but when it goes from 5mp to 8mp, it has to be good, right? They are betting people see the bigger number and say *this one goes up to 11* so it must be better. Me thinks 8mp is going to be the limit of the phone cameras, and I'll bet we see it stepped down to 5mp in the future...like the Bionic, and probably the Evo2.
    02-23-2011 12:15 PM
  21. vzwuser76's Avatar
    Show me a name like Nikon, Ziess, or Canon on ANY phone lens.
    I can't because this goes back to my first post where I mentioned that a phone had released last year with a SCHNEIDER lens on it & you said they would not have to pay for licensing just pay for the lens itself. I never mentioned Nikon, Zeiss or Canon being on a phone. But just because every phone isn't branded with the name of a premium lens manufacturer, everyone is the same? Then what would be the point of different camera phone lens manufacturers? Or are you saying that one company makes every lens for every camera on every phone?
    02-23-2011 12:18 PM
  22. FatalErrorz's Avatar
    you still don't get it do you, your the one that started of by claiming it was the same camera as the Evo with absolutely nothing to back it up we atleast have someplace were we got our info to claim its not the same camera and you cannot intelligently argue that fact i'm done replying to your idiocy now your clearly not worth the time
    No, I said it's the same camera until someone proves it to be different. I called you guys on it and said show me something definitive that they changed the lens since you guys started chiming in one after the other, defending your beloved not-released phone. Show me. Prove it. I'm not talking about the shutter, software, sensor or anything else either...I'm looking for an "Improved lens".
    02-23-2011 12:19 PM
  23. FatalErrorz's Avatar
    I can't because this goes back to my first post where I mentioned that a phone had released last year with a SCHNEIDER lens on it & you said they would not have to pay for licensing just pay for the lens itself. I never mentioned Nikon, Zeiss or Canon being on a phone. But just because every phone isn't branded with the name of a premium lens manufacturer, everyone is the same? Then what would be the point of different camera phone lens manufacturers? Or are you saying that one company makes every lens for every camera on a phone?
    In any given year, there may be one manufacturer for a phone camera lens...it is possible. Depends on who makes one in spec, for the cheapest.

    Still waiting for someone to show me that this is an "improved lens".
    02-23-2011 12:23 PM
  24. Cory Streater's Avatar
    This (along with some of your others in this thread) is one of the most ignorant, uneducated posts I have read in quite some time. You're wrong, man. Just admit it.
    Then stop being a ****** by claiming the camera is so different when you have no proof it's different at all! That's my ****ing point. Fan-Boy
    Feel free to explain your stupidity if you'd like.
    Why are these threads resorting to this? I don't want to see any more post like these.

    If he's wrong he's wrong. Make your case and leave out the rest.
    02-23-2011 12:24 PM
  25. vzwuser76's Avatar
    you still don't get it do you, your the one that started of by claiming it was the same camera as the Evo with absolutely nothing to back it up we atleast have someplace were we got our info to claim its not the same camera and you cannot intelligently argue that fact i'm done replying to your idiocy now your clearly not worth the time
    Same here.
    02-23-2011 12:24 PM
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