02-23-2011 01:16 PM
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  1. Seminoles fan's Avatar
    Maybe they don't have a date to give!! Who knows? I mean, they said by the end of March, it's not even March yet. They didn't create this media nightmare, Bestbuy did that. Verizon hasn't said a word. They never said anything about the IPhone either until it was time for it to be released and then they gave you a date that the phone would be available for preorder and everything was fine. I don't see this being any different. Maybe they don't know how long it will take for HTC to correct the problem. At this point its all speculation. That's honestly why if I was the CEO of Verizon I would not say a work or give a date until I knew for sure I could deliver because once they do they better be ready to start shipping or its their ***!!
    Let me be very clear on this..
    I'm not saying Verizon needs to come out and make things up to get people to calm down. What I'm saying is Verizon needs to realize the panic and chaos of the public and make a statement to the public in regards to there efforts to the thunderbolt or a release date they have in mind. Because as long as they sit back people will will continue to make this a bigger issue then it really is and even more people will become angry and ultimately they can say goodbye to business for that simple fact. And one other thing people wont be coming back once they sign a 2 year contract with AT&T or anyone else for that matter or at least wont be returning for 2 years but by then who knows what will be out. it all adds to Verizon losing money... GG Verizon..
    02-23-2011 12:13 AM
  2. Aspdmouse's Avatar
    LMAO this is god news? "Good news son!! We found your dog, he's dead. " lol

    LoL. exactly
    02-23-2011 12:14 AM
  3. Seminoles fan's Avatar
    I never said good news!!! I said info, their is a difference!!
    LMAO this is god news? "Good news son!! We found your dog, he's dead. " lol
    02-23-2011 12:15 AM
  4. prakash99's Avatar
    this really sucks for me because my contract is up tomorrow so now Im starting to think about jumping ship n looking at what the competition has.
    What the competition has is a bit inferior network compared to the Big Red. That is why Verizon can afford to be so arrogant.

    Having said that, everyone is free to make a decision .... go another carrier or stay with Verizon. There is nothing WRONG or RIGHT in that. Whatever works for you, it is RIGHT for you. Each individual's needs and expectations are unique.

    I choose to stay with Verizon despite all my whining because I have never had a dropped call with VZW (though there has recently been reports of a whole lot of 911 calls being dropped on VZW network during the snowstorm in Maryland) and I have never had an unpleasant experience with their reps (in-store, over-the-phone or on-line). On the other hand, I intensely dislike their corporate decisions.
    02-23-2011 12:17 AM
  5. prakash99's Avatar
    LMAO this is god news? "Good news son!! We found your dog, he's dead. " lol
    LMFAO!!!!
    02-23-2011 12:18 AM
  6. Aspdmouse's Avatar
    Maybe they don't have a date to give!! Who knows? I mean, they said by the end of March, it's not even March yet. They didn't create this media nightmare, Bestbuy did that. Verizon hasn't said a word. They never said anything about the IPhone either until it was time for it to be released and then they gave you a date that the phone would be available for preorder and everything was fine. I don't see this being any different. Maybe they don't know how long it will take for HTC to correct the problem. At this point its all speculation. That's honestly why if I was the CEO of Verizon I would not say a work or give a date until I knew for sure I could deliver because once they do they better be ready to start shipping or its their ***!!
    Seminoles,

    I am forever a Verizon Fanatic. Thats why this is so hard for me to watch though. Look this is a multi million dollar deal that is about to hit the fan. Believe me when I say this, Verizon knows when it will be available its there money on the line. Or B Verizon can find out about when it will be available this isn't HTC's first rodeo man.
    02-23-2011 12:20 AM
  7. Aspdmouse's Avatar
    Simply to put this, this is my opinion and nothing more.
    02-23-2011 12:22 AM
  8. happyaccidents3's Avatar
    yea its verizon's service that has me kinda chained atm, but the high prices really getting to me. Tmo is looking great with their low price plan but the service is spotty, At&t's pricing is slightly cheaper than verizon but no 4g yet and there is a data cap and Sprint is not even an option for me. I really don't know what to do they all are bad in there own way. For now I'm staying with verizon off contract but i'll be paying more attention to news and releases for the other carriers
    02-23-2011 12:23 AM
  9. Aspdmouse's Avatar
    yea its verizon's service that has me kinda chained atm, but the high prices really getting to me. Tmo is looking great with their low price plan but the service is spotty, At&t's pricing is slightly cheaper than verizon but no 4g yet and there is a data cap and Sprint is not even an option for me. I really don't know what to do they all are bad in there own way. For now I'm staying with verizon off contract but i'll be paying more attention to news and releases for the other carriers
    You have to pay a little more for better service bro. When you buy tires you don't buy the cheapest ones that are going to last a year. You buy the ones that have a 5 year warranty and are going to be safer for your family. Verizon charges a little more because they are a better service and can. You want cheap service go to t-Mobile or AT&T..
    02-23-2011 12:28 AM
  10. Seminoles fan's Avatar
    I honestly don't know. I work for Garmin here in Kansas City and we are a very large company also. Not as big as Verizon but very large. We do 99% of our programming in house but we outsource alot of our hardware and sometimes we get stuck in situations like these. The hardware and software don't play well together and either us or the vendor has to make changes. We always meet our deadlines but sometimes exact dates are just not possible, estimates yes, but exact dates no. That's why I am saying from a business stand point, what Verizon is doing is in MY opinion the right thing to do. Just sit back and let things play out, its not time to get worried yet. They have plenty of time to meet their deadlines. I have worked on software for a particular unit up until 3 days before it was set to be released. And for us, that is cutting it close, everything had to be overnighted but we made it but on that project we honestly could not have gave you an exact date. We just knew we had contracts with companies that had to be filled by lets say the 15th and the 13th I was still fixing software problems. So honestly you really don't know what's going on with Verizon and HTC at this point. I can gaurantee you that Verizon will make its March deadline, anything before that is a bonus really. Its the way the business works and sometimes companies like bestbuy doing what they are doing makes Verizon and has made us look bad because of this exact same thing. We had a contract with a unit and they started preselling it 6 weeks before we had said it would be delivered by. It made us look terrible and it was made clear after that by my CEO and Best buy's CEO that they would never presale one of our products again without our permission or we would quit doing business with them. I think that is exactly what is happening here.
    Seminoles,

    I am forever a Verizon Fanatic. Thats why this is so hard for me to watch though. Look this is a multi million dollar deal that is about to hit the fan. Believe me when I say this, Verizon knows when it will be available its there money on the line. Or B Verizon can find out about when it will be available this isn't HTC's first rodeo man.
    02-23-2011 12:52 AM
  11. mlpjunior's Avatar
    You have to pay a little more for better service bro. When you buy tires you don't buy the cheapest ones that are going to last a year. You buy the ones that have a 5 year warranty and are going to be safer for your family. Verizon charges a little more because they are a better service and can. You want cheap service go to t-Mobile or AT&T..
    Depends what you're looking for, I guess. Call reliability? Go with Verizon. 3G data speeds? AT&T is faster most places (places where you can get 3G coverage, that is).

    Big Red and Big Blue are priced very similarly, though. Among the Big 4 in the U.S., you have to look beyond the top two, towards T-Mobile or Sprint to see any significant price differentiation.
    02-23-2011 01:52 AM
  12. Droid800's Avatar
    Depends what you're looking for, I guess. Call reliability? Go with Verizon. 3G data speeds? AT&T is faster most places (places where you can get 3G coverage, that is).

    Big Red and Big Blue are priced very similarly, though. Among the Big 4 in the U.S., you have to look beyond the top two, towards T-Mobile or Sprint to see any significant price differentiation.
    True. If you need great coverage and live in a big city (or near one) T-mobile is the best value/service ratio out there. For $80 a month you get nearly unlimited data, generally 5 up/1 down, and free tethering on devices like the MT4G. If you're covered, you cannot beat this.

    If you want reliability and great coverage almost anywhere (plus adequate data speeds), Verizon does the job. Their coverage is pretty consistent too; no massive drop in data speeds when you go into certain areas.

    AT&T is good in some places, horrible in others. It really just depends on the area. If your area is highly populated, it tends to not be that great. (especially if its a wealthier area with a lot of smart phones) Most especially with AT&T, you'll need to try out their service for yourself.

    Sprint is very reliable, especially in rural areas. Their speeds are acceptable, and their price is reasonable. But you'll sacrifice a good selection of devices for that price. If you don't have to have the most bombastic device, Sprint should do the job.
    02-23-2011 02:04 AM
  13. FatalErrorz's Avatar
    Depends what you're looking for, I guess. Call reliability? Go with Verizon. 3G data speeds? AT&T is faster most places (places where you can get 3G coverage, that is).

    Big Red and Big Blue are priced very similarly, though. Among the Big 4 in the U.S., you have to look beyond the top two, towards T-Mobile or Sprint to see any significant price differentiation.
    Both Sprint and T-Mobile have 4G...and have HAD 4G for most of last year while Verizon can't even put out a 4G phone apparently; and when it does, it doesn't have a 4G network.

    It all boils down to "I have 4G. Do you?" and "I pay 80.00 a month for unlimited EVERYTHING including Nav. Can you?"

    Sure, Sprint may switch to LTE in the future, but they're waiting for Verizon to work through the headaches first since they are the first to try it on a scale as large as the United States. In the meantime, we have 4G WiMAX that works quite well, albeit with heavier battery usage. someday VZW customers will see what it's like to have a battery drain really fast.
    02-23-2011 02:09 AM
  14. FatalErrorz's Avatar
    Sprint is very reliable, especially in rural areas. Their speeds are acceptable, and their price is reasonable. But you'll sacrifice a good selection of devices for that price. If you don't have to have the most bombastic device, Sprint should do the job.
    VZW STILL doesn't have anything that can touch the Evo, and it's been out for almost a year. Don't say T-Bolt...they're still jacking around with it, and by the time it gets released we may have the Evo 3 or 4 out.
    02-23-2011 02:11 AM
  15. Droid800's Avatar
    VZW STILL doesn't have anything that can touch the Evo, and it's been out for almost a year. Don't say T-Bolt...they're still jacking around with it, and by the time it gets released we may have the Evo 3 or 4 out.
    The Droid X is as good as the Evo, minus the 4G. Considering how many Evo owners don't use 4G because of the battery drain, they're about the same.
    02-23-2011 02:21 AM
  16. Droid800's Avatar
    Both Sprint and T-Mobile have 4G...and have HAD 4G for most of last year while Verizon can't even put out a 4G phone apparently; and when it does, it doesn't have a 4G network.

    It all boils down to "I have 4G. Do you?" and "I pay 80.00 a month for unlimited EVERYTHING including Nav. Can you?"

    Sure, Sprint may switch to LTE in the future, but they're waiting for Verizon to work through the headaches first since they are the first to try it on a scale as large as the United States. In the meantime, we have 4G WiMAX that works quite well, albeit with heavier battery usage. someday VZW customers will see what it's like to have a battery drain really fast.
    T-mobile's 4G isn't 4G. Its an evolution of technology that already existed. The only reason they did it was because they couldn't afford an LTE rollout. Sprint's 4G provides speeds that don't remotely qualify as 4G in most areas. WiMax is a dead technology, and everyone knows it. Why do you think Sprint hasn't made any effort to boost speeds?

    I'm not quite sure why you're ragging on Verizon here. They went from a first data call in August 2009 to a fully-functioning 4G network in 2010. Thats less than 18 months. That they were able to do it that fast AND have phones in the pipeline to take advantage of it is nothing short of a miracle. I mean, you're talking about a NEW technology on a scale that no one has attempted. When Verizon started building their network the final spec and standard wasn't even APPROVED yet. They couldn't have started building out a network any sooner even if they wanted to.
    02-23-2011 02:29 AM
  17. mlpjunior's Avatar
    and by the time it gets released we may have the Evo 3 or 4 out.
    Sounds like trolling to me, but ok. I'm not someone who feels the compulsive need to defend whatever carrier I'm on.

    I've been on Verizon forever, and I definitely have speed envy. In fact, I have such a lack of faith in my 3G data speeds that when I see someone link to a youtube video, I almost never try to play it for fear of waiting 30 seconds for the dang thing to buffer.

    That said, these last 9 months have been a rare period where the competition has had a definitive advantage in infrastructure (albeit only in terms of speed, not coverage). The good news for Verizon customers is that their 4G network will have clear-cut superiority in throughput and latency for the next 24-36 months, if not longer.
    02-23-2011 02:30 AM
  18. blizz419's Avatar
    I didn't mean by my title that it was good news, It was more of a good information title, sorry to mislead anyone. And another thing that we discussed and what is getting everyone on here so mad is the dates and that is what I told him. That is what irritating the hell out of me was the date being pushed back and he came back and turned his computer around and honestly said,"when have we ever released a date for this product"?. He said, Verizon has never once mentioned a date, people are getting information from best buy and other places and not the one place where the information would come from. At that point, what else can you say but I guess you got me there. He said, when the phone is ready, you will get a date, until then just wait or get something else. He stressed to me that Verizon has nothing to do with this delay, its a HTC problem and Verizon will not release their first 4G phone and the phone that will be the heart of their new network until its completely ready. I said ok and pretty much left it at that. What else can you say? Or honestly how can you be mad? Verizon never did give anyone a date, they said by the end of march and that was it. Best buy is the one giving dates so to me its Best buy that should be getting ripped. I know I will for sure go and get my deposit back and just wait for Verizon, at this point I am tired of Best buy telling me what I want to hear just to get my money. At least this guy was honest and pretty damn straight forward.
    You do realize alot of this info you recieved from this rep you cannot intelligently just take as fact he is just a VZW rep and to be honest he knows nothing more than us, the whole problem being a HTC problem not Verizon he no way knows for sure someone told him and not from a official source and state he knows for a fact it will not be released in 14 days
    02-23-2011 02:50 AM
  19. tucker_dahlin's Avatar
    Verizon said 1st quarter. It is ridiculous to assume that what they meant by that is the last day in March, and they had no intention of taking that long. If they promised a device by "next year" then one would be an ***** to tell someone not to expect anything before Dec 31... We are 2/3 into Q1 so we have time left to wait that is reasonable, but we absolutely should not have to "expect" no earlier than end of march just bc they said Q1.
    02-23-2011 04:03 AM
  20. shaddix's Avatar
    The Spanish commercial said feb
    02-23-2011 04:09 AM
  21. tucker_dahlin's Avatar
    The Spanish commercial said feb
    true, and was straight from vzw
    02-23-2011 05:21 AM
  22. thedeceiver's Avatar
    T-mobile's 4G isn't 4G. Its an evolution of technology that already existed. The only reason they did it was because they couldn't afford an LTE rollout. Sprint's 4G provides speeds that don't remotely qualify as 4G in most areas. WiMax is a dead technology, and everyone knows it. Why do you think Sprint hasn't made any effort to boost speeds?

    I'm not quite sure why you're ragging on Verizon here. They went from a first data call in August 2009 to a fully-functioning 4G network in 2010. Thats less than 18 months. That they were able to do it that fast AND have phones in the pipeline to take advantage of it is nothing short of a miracle. I mean, you're talking about a NEW technology on a scale that no one has attempted. When Verizon started building their network the final spec and standard wasn't even APPROVED yet. They couldn't have started building out a network any sooner even if they wanted to.
    Hate to break it to you but the current implementation of LTE isn't 4G either.

    Sent from my ADR6300 using Tapatalk
    02-23-2011 05:44 AM
  23. Effenhimer's Avatar
    Is it just me or does the OP sound like those guys on Reno 911 who always come in and sell the force crappy insurance, or time share... And ALWAYS throw a guy in uniform in with them to be like, "Hey, I didn't really want good medical coverage like all those stuck up rich people ANYWAY!!"

    Maybe its just me, but I get that vibe for some reason...
    02-23-2011 06:59 AM
  24. ncbryan's Avatar
    The way I see it is if in fact VZW is having some issues with their network or the phone itself, they are NOT going publicly announce a problem. The mobile phone industry is just too competitive and it would be FAR worse for any carrier to publicly announce a problem with a network or with a device.
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    02-23-2011 09:27 AM
  25. Bennnnn's Avatar
    This was personal information which was removed.
    02-23-2011 09:36 AM
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