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- The suspense is killing me to know whether or not Verizon will block the tap & pay functionality when they roll out Kit Kat for the Note 3. Apparently T-Mo has blocked it for their Note 3, yet they allow it on their other Kit Kat updated phones like the HTC One. The way Verizon handles this will indeed affect my decision of whether or not to switch back to a Note 3. I'm not-so-patiently waiting for the update before I decide.
**UPDATE** 3/14/14 - I gave in and switched back to a Note 3 today (for the 3rd time). Feels good to be back. I used ISIS to pay for my groceries earlier. Oh well.03-05-2014 05:27 PMLike 0 -
- The suspense is killing me to know whether or not Verizon will block the tap & pay functionality when they roll out Kit Kat for the Note 3. Apparently T-Mo has blocked it for their Note 3, yet they allow it on their other Kit Kat updated phones like the HTC One. The way Verizon handles this will indeed affect my decision of whether or not to switch back to a Note 3. I'm not-so-patiently waiting for the update before I decide.
Wallet basically chains you to Android and a Google Account.
I like choice and I like services that are platform agnostic, especially when they fall into this category.
I will use Isis if I ever feel the need to jump onto the mobile payments bandwagon.03-06-2014 10:15 AMLike 0 -
- Wrong, it is CARRIER blocked on the T-mobile note 3, kitkat enabled it on the Sprint note 3, it was blocked by Sprint when running JB, kitkat simply changes security, it no longer requires a secure SIM, so it may be easier to bypass the carrier lock, but the carriers DO have the ability to block it, and I would bet Verizon will also, they want you to use IsisEddster likes this.03-06-2014 11:19 AMLike 1
- I see no reason for this to affect phone buying decision.
Wallet basically chains you to Android and a Google Account.
I like choice and I like services that are platform agnostic, especially when they fall into this category.
I will use Isis if I ever feel the need to jump onto the mobile payments bandwagon.rusty502 likes this.03-06-2014 12:13 PMLike 1 -
Sent from my Galaxy Note 3 using Tapatalk03-06-2014 12:14 PMLike 0 - Neither is correct:
"Once Visa and MasterCard enable HCE support, Google should be able to enable tap-to-pay for consumers who use their cards instead of resorting to inelegant workarounds." It looks like Visa and MasterCard are working on this and Google Wallet Tap-to-pay via KitKat will be enabled once it's ready.
Your card information will be the cloud with HCE vs. on the secure element. This is why "Only devices using Android 4.4 (KitKat), or higher, will need a network connection once a day to tap and pay", per Google's instructions on how to tap and pay. Again, it looks like Visa and MasterCard are working on enabling the "storage" of the card data in the cloud. I'm guessing Wallet will receive an update when this happens? Do a search for "Visa MasterCard and HCE" to find out more. Looks like it's imminent afterall!03-06-2014 01:17 PMLike 0 - Neither is correct:
"Once Visa and MasterCard enable HCE support, Google should be able to enable tap-to-pay for consumers who use their cards instead of resorting to inelegant workarounds." It looks like Visa and MasterCard are working on this and Google Wallet Tap-to-pay via KitKat will be enabled once it's ready.
Your card information will be the cloud with HCE vs. on the secure element. This is why "Only devices using Android 4.4 (KitKat), or higher, will need a network connection once a day to tap and pay", per Google's instructions on how to tap and pay. Again, it looks like Visa and MasterCard are working on enabling the "storage" of the card data in the cloud. I'm guessing Wallet will receive an update when this happens? Do a search for "Visa MasterCard and HCE" to find out more. Looks like it's imminent afterall!03-06-2014 01:30 PMLike 0 - Wrong, it is CARRIER blocked on the T-mobile note 3, kitkat enabled it on the Sprint note 3, it was blocked by Sprint when running JB, kitkat simply changes security, it no longer requires a secure SIM, so it may be easier to bypass the carrier lock, but the carriers DO have the ability to block it, and I would bet Verizon will also, they want you to use Isis
With the inclusion of android 4.4 kitkat Google wallet changed from using a secure element on the phone to a host card emulation all stored online. Now with the secured element on the phone the carrier could easily lock it down. With HCE the carrier has no way of blocking it as it is all handled off of the device and online with no way to block that. So yes it can and is supposed to work on 4.4 kitkat, the only one that can truly block it is the manufacturer but that is due to hardware limitations mainly.
Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk03-06-2014 09:15 PMLike 0 - I'm sorry but no you are wrong please do your homework.
With the inclusion of android 4.4 kitkat Google wallet changed from using a secure element on the phone to a host card emulation all stored online. Now with the secured element on the phone the carrier could easily lock it down. With HCE the carrier has no way of blocking it as it is all handled off of the device and online with no way to block that. So yes it can and is supposed to work on 4.4 kitkat, the only one that can truly block it is the manufacturer but that is due to hardware limitations mainly.
Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk03-06-2014 09:22 PMLike 0 - I understand the changes that were made, I also know that tap and pay now works great on a Sprint note 3 with kitkat, and does not work on a T-Mobile note 3 with kitkat, it has been blocked by T-Mobile, directly, or indirectly through the manufacture, the carrier, has in fact, blocked it
Also i will add with the DROID maxx on Verizon Google wallet works fine.
Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk03-06-2014 09:24 PMLike 0 - I agree that it should be easier to work around, now that a secured SIM is not needed, and, everyone thought that the change would open it up to everyone on kitkat, but T-Mobile, and I assume Verizon will follow suit, are still able to try and force ISIS on their customers.03-06-2014 09:30 PMLike 0
- I see no reason for this to affect phone buying decision.
Wallet basically chains you to Android and a Google Account.
I like choice and I like services that are platform agnostic, especially when they fall into this category.
I will use Isis if I ever feel the need to jump onto the mobile payments bandwagon.03-07-2014 01:24 AMLike 0 - I signed up for ISIS simply because they were doing a free $40 credit deal w/ an amercian express SERVE card. After signing up, I checked the availability of ISIS tap to pay. There were fifteen McDonald restaurants listed, and maybe four shops in the local mall, none of which I'd ever shop at. Needless to say, that $40 credit might be on my account for a while.
Sent from my Galaxy Note 3 using Tapatalk03-07-2014 07:20 AMLike 0 - So isis should work at any location that has the reader head on their card swipe system? Gotta check that out. I really don't like the idea Google is storing our cards off the device in the cloud. Makes an easy target.
Sent from my SM-N900V using AC Forums mobile app03-07-2014 11:00 AMLike 0 - Isis will work where the underlying payment account is accepted + an ISIS compatible terminal + correct phase of the moon. The Google solution has, while not perfect, a much more extensible framework for payment processing.03-07-2014 05:17 PMLike 0
- So isis should work at any location that has the reader head on their card swipe system? Gotta check that out. I really don't like the idea Google is storing our cards off the device in the cloud. Makes an easy target.
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- Sounds like either a class action opportunity or a monopoly charge. I was told by the Verizon rep that ISIS was a joint venture of Verizon, ATT, and T mobile to make money from their own credit system. Every time you charge something the vender is charged about 3% of the amount by the credit company. Every hundred dollars spent on ISIS, nets ATT/Verizon/Tmobile $3. This is why they want to corner the market on tap and pay, which is their incentive to block anyone else from offering a similar service. I would not mind if they offered a competitive service, but I will flat out boycott ISIS forever for disabling my phones natural ability to use another companies service just so you are forced to use theirs. If Verizon blocks Google Wallet, I will root my phone so I can use it anyway. I'm just waiting on Kit Kat to see if it is a non problem after the update. Isis (mobile payment system) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
One post said Sprint does not block Google Wallet, since I don't see Sprint as a partner in ISIS, that would explain it.03-08-2014 05:36 AMLike 0 - Sounds like either a class action opportunity or a monopoly charge. I was told by the Verizon rep that ISIS was a joint venture of Verizon, ATT, and T mobile to make money from their own credit system. Every time you charge something the vender is charged about 3% of the amount by the credit company. Every hundred dollars spent on ISIS, nets ATT/Verizon/Tmobile $3. This is why they want to corner the market on tap and pay, which is their incentive to block anyone else from offering a similar service. I would not mind if they offered a competitive service, but I will flat out boycott ISIS forever for disabling my phones natural ability to use another companies service just so you are forced to use theirs. If Verizon blocks Google Wallet, I will root my phone so I can use it anyway. I'm just waiting on Kit Kat to see if it is a non problem after the update. Isis (mobile payment system) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
One post said Sprint does not block Google Wallet, since I don't see Sprint as a partner in ISIS, that would explain it.
You're ranking about nothing and this is far from a class action or monopoly thing. Talk about blowing things out of proportion.
Sent from my Galaxy Note 3 using Tapatalk03-08-2014 07:43 AMLike 0 - Nope. The NFC chip in the Note 3 isn't supported. And don't talk about leaks cause your idea of supports means (works) and their idea is (works properly).
You're ranking about nothing and this is far from a class action or monopoly thing. Talk about blowing things out of proportion.
Sent from my Galaxy Note 3 using Tapatalk03-08-2014 08:34 AMLike 0 -
And I don't consider a secure element in the cloud to be that secure. Would you use a fingerprint scanner that stored your print data on Google Servers? I wouldn't. I'll gladly use Isis for its portability and higher security.
What NFC chip is in the Sprint Note 3? Do you know?
Sent from my Galaxy Note 3 using Tapatalk03-08-2014 08:36 AMLike 0 - No one is talking about the secure element. I'm talking about the NFC chip in the phone.
And I don't consider a secure element in the cloud to be that secure. Would you use a fingerprint scanner that stored your print data on Google Servers? I wouldn't. I'll gladly use Isis for its portability and higher security.
What NFC chip is in the Sprint Note 3? Do you know?
Sent from my Galaxy Note 3 using Tapatalk03-08-2014 10:00 AMLike 0
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