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  1. bennish's Avatar
    http://www.webosnation.com/webos-20-details-stacks-exhibition-just-type
    08-31-2010 05:25 PM
  2. taharka's Avatar
    That's what I thought with webOS 1.0. It didn't pan out. Though I likely won't go back in the short term, I hope they do better this time. The world needs competition.
    09-12-2010 11:37 AM
  3. nullr's Avatar
    Trying to get devkit but they pretty much locked down after the leak. I love palm but they wont take off until they release more hardware. Its a good update but even after it gets released it still takes carriers a while to push out the customized updates. If you compare it to android its better in many ways but lacks the user base to push development. Until they begin releasing more devices to push up the market share it wont happen. Also flash was promised for second half and its been a year since adobe demonstrated them using it on a pre (vids on youtube). They also need to open up mic/cam api. If it was not for webos internals and the 1+ ghz overclock and the insane amount of customization and things you could do the phone would be boring.
    09-13-2010 12:11 AM
  4. JayCudi's Avatar
    Palm, just like Windows Mobile, is a dead platform
    09-15-2010 12:34 AM
  5. MANdroid5000's Avatar
    I like Palm. The elegance and usability of webOS is unrivaled. I hope they get enough traction to be a successful niche player.
    10-06-2010 02:50 AM
  6. lornaevo's Avatar
    Wait. Isn't the UI designer of web os now working for the Android Team?
    10-07-2010 06:30 AM
  7. MANdroid5000's Avatar
    Wait. Isn't the UI designer of web os now working for the Android Team?
    Yep. He can give Android prettier icons, but making Android as functionally elegant as webOS would take a major paradigm shift that I don't think he could pull off...even more so without getting sued by HPalm...

    Still, since I'll probably have no choice but to use Android eventually as it becomes the Windows of smartphones, I do hope he proves me wrong!
    10-07-2010 05:47 PM
  8. stoney05's Avatar
    oh yea! cant wait for this
    10-11-2010 06:11 AM
  9. MannyZ28's Avatar
    Remind me again what's so great about webOS? I got a Pre on launch day, tried to love it for about a half a year, then the Evo was introduced at CES, got the Evo on launch day....absolutely love it and Android! Just touching my old Pre or having to look at that tiny screen makes me want to wash my hands afterwards immediately.

    I mean the card system is a great idea, but the hardware, especially the Sprint version, just couldn't handle it. Play a game without rebooting the phone for 2 minutes? Forget it! At first I liked the notification area on the pre, but I like the one on Android just as well, if not even better.

    I am sure new hardware will make webOS better, especially with version 2 running on it, but if the leaked specs on the Pre 2 are true....who the hell is gonna buy that thing? Same tiny screen, same low resolution, in a market flooded with killer Android devices, the iPhone, and now a flood of Windows Phone 7 devices coming, Palm doesn't stand a chance, they just don't. They got a bunch of good press after CES when the Pre was introduced, but then made one mistake after another, combine that with crappy hardware, hardly any apps, a shaky OS that needed a patch after almost every update, and you can see that consumer confidence, save for the die hard fans, in this company and line of phones, is almost non existant.

    I am sticking with Android. WP7 looks nice, but I won't even consider an WP7 until next gen hardware comes out. While WP7 looks to run nice and smooth, it's basically running on current Evo hardware, maybe a little faster.

    Either way, for as smartphone fans, the good times are just getting better and better!
    10-14-2010 12:09 PM
  10. MANdroid5000's Avatar
    Either way, for as smartphone fans, the good times are just getting better and better!
    I'll drink to that!
    10-17-2010 05:19 PM
  11. MannyZ28's Avatar
    I did a nice spelling job there....of course I meant to write "us" not "as".
    10-18-2010 12:10 AM
  12. 6tr6tr's Avatar
    Fantastic GUI. Fantastic architecture design for the OS. HORRIBLE implementation and hardware.
    10-19-2010 04:55 PM
  13. kinster02's Avatar
    And it still has the tmc error and checked board web browser as demoed on the engadget show.
    10-28-2010 09:32 PM
  14. Gekko's Avatar
    Remind me again what's so great about webOS? I got a Pre on launch day, tried to love it for about a half a year, then the Evo was introduced at CES, got the Evo on launch day....absolutely love it and Android! Just touching my old Pre or having to look at that tiny screen makes me want to wash my hands afterwards immediately.

    I mean the card system is a great idea, but the hardware, especially the Sprint version, just couldn't handle it. Play a game without rebooting the phone for 2 minutes? Forget it! At first I liked the notification area on the pre, but I like the one on Android just as well, if not even better.

    I am sure new hardware will make webOS better, especially with version 2 running on it, but if the leaked specs on the Pre 2 are true....who the hell is gonna buy that thing? Same tiny screen, same low resolution, in a market flooded with killer Android devices, the iPhone, and now a flood of Windows Phone 7 devices coming, Palm doesn't stand a chance, they just don't. They got a bunch of good press after CES when the Pre was introduced, but then made one mistake after another, combine that with crappy hardware, hardly any apps, a shaky OS that needed a patch after almost every update, and you can see that consumer confidence, save for the die hard fans, in this company and line of phones, is almost non existant.

    I am sticking with Android. WP7 looks nice, but I won't even consider an WP7 until next gen hardware comes out. While WP7 looks to run nice and smooth, it's basically running on current Evo hardware, maybe a little faster.

    Either way, for as smartphone fans, the good times are just getting better and better!
    wow. you really changed your tune from 9 months ago.
    11-12-2010 02:27 PM
  15. Brett's Avatar
    One thing about this whole new Palm (under HP's ownership) that i just don't get is why would they release the new webOS 2.0 on an update palm pre. The pre was not a great device, hardware-wise. My sister has the palm pre plus and it is made out of really shiny plastic. With all the hardware that HP could contribute to the new WebOS 2.0 devices, why not create a flagship or somthing? Somthing that makes your jaw drop at the sight of it.

    I am personally not a fan of WebOS based on time to time use of my sister pre plus. My opinion is obviously subjective since i own android and never owned palm but i just can't get over how there is potential for palm but it seems like it is all a half hearted attempt to get out there in the public eye
    11-14-2010 04:31 PM
  16. MannyZ28's Avatar
    wow. you really changed your tune from 9 months ago.
    I did...like I said, I tried to love the little critter for 6 months, then CES and the introduction of the Evo came around, and that's all it took.

    But even the Evo isn't enough for me yet. I need more power! I saw the Epic Citadel tech demo running on my friends iPhone 4, and damn that looks good. Can't wait to get some more serious hardware seeing how the gaming market is really stepping it up on Android.

    So, I am sticking with Android, but I am a one year per phone person, lets see what Sprint's got coming next!
    11-14-2010 07:55 PM
  17. dguidry12's Avatar
    This is the point blank case..Webos is a far superior OS than Android or IOS..This has been pointed out by many experts. The hardware is an epic fail. Can't understand for the life of me why they would send out 2.0 with the same pathetic hardware.
    11-14-2010 10:08 PM
  18. MannyZ28's Avatar
    This is the point blank case..Webos is a far superior OS than Android or IOS..This has been pointed out by many experts. The hardware is an epic fail. Can't understand for the life of me why they would send out 2.0 with the same pathetic hardware.
    The funny part about webOS is it's name....the web indicated the idea of making apps easy to program so that anyone that knows common web languages can write an app. The problem with that was that all those apps pretty much sucked and couldn't hold the candle to the apps produced for iOS and now also Android. Yes, it was easy to create stuff like conversion apps and things like that, but for the good apps, Palm had to go back on their strategy and come up with the Plug In developer kit or whatever it was called so that there would be cool games on the platform, not just minesweeper type stuff. So, fail #1 was that apps written without the Plug In sucked, and fail #2 was that noone cared, the "flood gates" never opened and the flood of apps never came.

    As far as webOS being superior in other ways, well, I guess it looks ok, and it is fairly easy to use once you get the hang of it, but really, its not revolutionary in any way as far as the UI is concerned. Everyone loves the multitasking on it, until you get the TMC error which was a very frequent occurrence on the Sprint Pre, trust me, I know from personal experience. And the saving grace, the cure for boring, crappy apps, the Plug In thingy that let us have great Gameloft games, well, it was the major cause for the TMC. I love being able to jump from one game to the next on my Evo without having to reboot for 2 minutes every time. I love not having to reboot my Evo on a daily basis because the phone got sluggish, and then having to be careful about not using too many apps because webOS was too stupid to do it's housekeeping and give the phone what little memory it has back.

    I don't care what the "Experts" said about webOS, technically, in theory, it's a great OS, but practically, it was PITA to live with every day. Yeah, the hardware is partially to blame for the poor performance, but you also have to blame webOS itself for not taking advantage of all the hardware. The cpu/gpu in the Pre were no slouch and really were right about the same as what was in the original Droid, however, the Droid was and still is a very capable and fast device that wasn't hindered by its OS.
    11-18-2010 12:05 PM
  19. Mercule's Avatar
    One thing about this whole new Palm (under HP's ownership) that i just don't get is why would they release the new webOS 2.0 on an update palm pre. The pre was not a great device, hardware-wise. My sister has the palm pre plus and it is made out of really shiny plastic. With all the hardware that HP could contribute to the new WebOS 2.0 devices, why not create a flagship or somthing? Somthing that makes your jaw drop at the sight of it.
    Agreed. I switched to the Epic for hardware, not software, reasons. If Palm put out a webOS device with specs comparable to the Epic, I'd switch back in a heartbeat.
    11-19-2010 04:02 PM
  20. MannyZ28's Avatar
    Agreed. I switched to the Epic for hardware, not software, reasons. If Palm put out a webOS device with specs comparable to the Epic, I'd switch back in a heartbeat.
    But wouldn't you feel like you're using the step child of the smart phone world? The one no one really cares about? The one where the apps are still severely lacking and new developers are hard to find, and the one that major developers seem to shy away from? Hardware up to current Android standards is nice, and you will no doubt like version 2.0 of webOS, but what good is it without popular apps? You'll always look in envy at your peers Android and iPhone phones. I personally like Googles deep pockets and support from port developers and hardware manufacturers alike. Google is working on Android at a break neck pace.

    Palm HP have a lot of catching up to do, I for one will not be switching back any time soon.
    11-19-2010 04:16 PM
  21. Mercule's Avatar
    But wouldn't you feel like you're using the step child of the smart phone world? The one no one really cares about? The one where the apps are still severely lacking and new developers are hard to find, and the one that major developers seem to shy away from?
    Yes and no. Quantity of apps is irrelevant, so long as the apps I want are available. And those are actually a bit of give and take between the two platforms.

    Android brings the official Remember the Milk app, some interesting games, and widgets. Palm has email, contacts, and messaging that are totally out of the league of any app found on Android. Pandora is slightly more reliable on Android than Palm. Netflix is slightly better on Palm. Web browsing is better on Android, as are 3G speeds (I live in a 3G area), but I chalk that to hardware not OS. Reference apps are a toss-up, with Palm winning on some specialized references, like Wikipedia, and Android winning on e-book readers (which I don't want too much of at phone-size, anyway).

    Android may have a bigger catalog, but I can't navigate through it with either the base Market app or the AppBrain app. Palm and the WebOSInternals catalogs are slick and efficient. For Palm, I never had to wait for a review or search the web for an app I wanted -- I could just browse the catalog. That's a horrid experience on Android.

    What I want out of a smart phone is really PIM, mp3 (and Pandora), and a phone. Music and phone are close enough to be a non-issue, either way. PIM isn't even a competition. If you're looking for a toy, Android might be better. If you want a tool, Palm wins. Except, of course, if you bring hardware into it, which is where Palm is losing.

    Honestly, I think the webOS platform delivers such a superior baseline that any app deficiencies would be quickly rectified if the hardware was available to draw people in.
    11-20-2010 12:09 PM
  22. MannyZ28's Avatar
    I think its a matter of personal choice. I like email on Android better than on the Pre. Contacts seem to be about the same to me, not sure what exactly it is that you prefer so much on webOS as far as those two categories go. And I really don't find the Android Market bad, it has reviews just like the App Catalog, and besides, the Market is getting quite the overhaul shortly.

    Android in general sees much faster development that webOS does, with rather dramatic changes. I can still remember how long it took Palm to finally make the light of the center button a message light!!!

    For you, a few core Apps maybe enough, but a lot of people just want variety, I would venture out to say that the majority of the people would pick a platform based on how many Apps are available for it just because they feel safer knowing that they bought a product that's actively being supported, not an underdog device like the Pre was.
    11-21-2010 12:45 AM
  23. Mercule's Avatar
    For you, a few core Apps maybe enough, but a lot of people just want variety
    Quite likely, and I understand that. You asked why I would be willing to switch back, though.
    11-21-2010 02:32 PM
  24. jjeffcoat's Avatar
    Epocrates just ditched webOS! Skyscape abandoned their webOS development! For the medical user, webOS is rapidly circling the drain. (Never thought I'd be saying that).

    Big name apps aren't touching webOS because the user base is so small. But the user base isn't likely to grow without the big name apps - a real catch22. The release of new devices with high quality hardware and performance along with effective marketing would certainly help, but no one is seeing this any time soon.

    "The coming months" is quickly becoming a tired mantra.
    12-10-2010 10:12 AM
  25. Atomic Playboy's Avatar
    But wouldn't you feel like you're using the step child of the smart phone world? The one no one really cares about? The one where the apps are still severely lacking and new developers are hard to find, and the one that major developers seem to shy away from?
    I never felt that at all while I owned a Pre. I was finding excuses to have my hands on it all day (much to the chagrin of the battery). The only reason I switched to an Epic, like stated by others, is because of the hardware limitations; it eventually burned out because I was pushing it too hard. Now, while I love my Epic and everything I'm able to do with Android, I miss the webOS interface and the capabilities it offered. If the Pre didn't burn itself out right around the time my company stopped offering it, I would have gotten it replaced.
    Palm HP have a lot of catching up to do, I for one will not be switching back any time soon.
    I agree Palm has catching-up to do, considering they got (back) into the game rather late. The problem is, since having been bought by HP, they are now once again in catch-up mode because they're effectively starting from scratch. I have every reason to believe that the next webOS-based device to come from HP will blow away everything on the market right now in terms of capability. What I hope is that Palm doesn't repeat the same mistakes they made with marketing the first time around and HP can push the device(s) to a wider audience. Thankfully they sorted out issues with development (that was also a debacle from what I heard), so developers shouldn't be complaining about the platform anymore.
    12-10-2010 11:01 AM
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