What is wrong with the Charge?

**dd0yl3** · 04-21-2011, 07:29 PM

Why does it seem like there is not that many people interested in this phone. It has 4g and a better screen than the thunderbolt. What is wrong with it?

**DroidXcon** · 04-21-2011, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by dd0yl3

Why does it seem like there is not that many people interested in this phone. It has 4g and a better screen than the thunderbolt. What is wrong with it?

High price tag and many people feel burned by the lack of timely updates from verizon./samsung.

but im getting one

**Droid800** · 04-21-2011, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by dd0yl3

Why does it seem like there is not that many people interested in this phone. It has 4g and a better screen than the thunderbolt. What is wrong with it?

Repeat after me: $300 single core phone with 2 gb of onboard memory.

When you can go to AT&T and get a dual core Atrix for $200, the price tag is ridiculous and stupid. It doesn't matter that it has a SAMOLED+ display or LTE; the package as a whole is overpriced.

That being said, I'm going to still give it a chance. BMX has said the screen is amazing and the battery life is miles ahead of the Bolt, so its worth at least giving it a look.

**DroidXcon** · 04-21-2011, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by Droid800

Repeat after me: $300 single core phone with 2 gb of onboard memory.

When you can go to AT&T and get a dual core Atrix for $200, the price tag is ridiculous and stupid. It doesn't matter that it has a SAMOLED+ display or LTE; the package as a whole is overpriced.

That being said, I'm going to still give it a chance. BMX has said the screen is amazing and the battery life is miles ahead of the Bolt, so its worth at least giving it a look.

retail it costs the same at a TB

**Droid800** · 04-21-2011, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by DroidXcon

retail it costs the same at a TB

And? By far the majority of consumers get it with a 2 year contract. You think anyone will pick up a charge that costs $50 more than a Bolt?

**w00tw00twhat** · 04-21-2011, 09:36 PM

I love it, despite all the horrible comments people give this phone and i still want the thing really bad. Its the screen man...the SAMOLED Plus is just going to be spoogtacular. The phone is still fast, 4G LTE, and thats about all i want in a phone, fast, 4g and one amazing screen. So Verizon already has my money.

**sndplace** · 04-21-2011, 09:41 PM

Its crazy.. As good as the screen is 300 is a lot and this is bad for future phones if this sells good... When the Epic came out i wanted it and paid the 250 for it but if they plan on selling the next gen phones at this price in the summer im going to have to pass on a release day phone for the first time since the instinct... :O( Sorry to those who buy this phone but i hope it sinks and they drop the price to 100 2yr contract...

On a good note it is a sweet looking phone :O)

**Halcyon** · 04-21-2011, 10:02 PM

What you get for $300.00:

- Slow or non existant updates from Samsung/Vzw.
- Terrible file system.
- Touchwiz.
- Great screen.
- Same specs as a current Fascinate other than the 4G.
- You get to pay $100.00 more for your phone than other phones that are equally good or better.

No thanks I'll pass.

**w00tw00twhat** · 04-21-2011, 11:00 PM

I still dont get it...almost everyone i knows drops $500+ on phones so when i told my friend i was droping 300 bucks on a phone he said...wow thats cheap. I guess its just what you find expensive, cheap, a good phone or a bad phone. To some people specs of the phone aren't what really matter, i mean as long as its up to date with most phones which it seems pretty close. Duel-core phones are just starting to hit the market and verizon doesnt even have one out yet so it right now is fine, but if this was coming out in 5+ months then yeah screw that. where it lacks in some hardware it makes it up with a beautiful screen. Im in graphic design, so i love absolutely anything with the ability to make me go wow now those are some colors on a phone. I understand tho why people dont want this phone, its cool hey man all about personal preference right. This is just a possible reason as to why some may want this phone.

**nkd** · 04-22-2011, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by w00tw00twhat

I still dont get it...almost everyone i knows drops $500+ on phones so when i told my friend i was droping 300 bucks on a phone he said...wow thats cheap. I guess its just what you find expensive, cheap, a good phone or a bad phone. To some people specs of the phone aren't what really matter, i mean as long as its up to date with most phones which it seems pretty close. Duel-core phones are just starting to hit the market and verizon doesnt even have one out yet so it right now is fine, but if this was coming out in 5+ months then yeah screw that. where it lacks in some hardware it makes it up with a beautiful screen. Im in graphic design, so i love absolutely anything with the ability to make me go wow now those are some colors on a phone. I understand tho why people dont want this phone, its cool hey man all about personal preference right. This is just a possible reason as to why some may want this phone.

Not on a 2 year contract budd. lol

**davey11** · 04-22-2011, 12:08 AM

All of the shortcomings on the phone can be fixed with dev support.

Slow updates?...fixed with leaks and rom development.
Bad file system?...fixed with voodoo kernel
Touchwiz?...fixed with ADW or Launcherpro

Maybe for the person who is not proactive and whines, then yes those are glaring probs.
Me? I hack and root/rom with abandon so I don't have a prob with these shortcomings.

Bring on the Charge!!

**w00tw00twhat** · 04-22-2011, 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by nkd

Not on a 2 year contract budd. lol

Oh i have cards up my sleeve. I have another contract up in Oct this year this phone is pearly for the time being and right now my pre+ is having issues so i need a new phone as soon as next week. So ill have this phone and another new duel-core top spec phone depending on which bad boys are coming out end Q3 and Q4. So im even worried less about updates and specs atm.

**w00tw00twhat** · 04-22-2011, 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by davey11

All of the shortcomings on the phone can be fixed with dev support.

Slow updates?...fixed with leaks and rom development.
Bad file system?...fixed with voodoo kernel
Touchwiz?...fixed with ADW or Launcherpro

Maybe for the person who is not proactive and whines, then yes those are glaring probs.
Me? I hack and root/rom with abandon so I don't have a prob with these shortcomings.

Bring on the Charge!!

I couldnt have said it any better

**Wenjaman** · 04-22-2011, 04:52 AM

Originally Posted by davey11

All of the shortcomings on the phone can be fixed with dev support.

Slow updates?...fixed with leaks and rom development.
Bad file system?...fixed with voodoo kernel
Touchwiz?...fixed with ADW or Launcherpro

Maybe for the person who is not proactive and whines, then yes those are glaring probs.
Me? I hack and root/rom with abandon so I don't have a prob with these shortcomings.

Bring on the Charge!!

I don't think it's laziness. I think it's more so the fact that you shouldn't have to pay $100 more for a phone with subpar specs that requires so many fixes (which also void the warranty on your $300 phone).

**DroidXcon** · 04-22-2011, 04:54 AM

Originally Posted by Wenjaman

I don't think it's laziness. I think it's more so the fact that you shouldn't have to pay $100 more for a phone with subpar specs that requires so many fixes (which also void the warranty on your $300 phone).

which fixes does it need, can you please make a list for me so im prepared?

**davey11** · 04-22-2011, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Wenjaman

I don't think it's laziness. I think it's more so the fact that you shouldn't have to pay $100 more for a phone with subpar specs that requires so many fixes (which also void the warranty on your $300 phone).

It seems you're the type of guy that won't hack into your phone, which is fine.

My fascinate is heavily modded and yes, the warranty is not valid right now. In about 5 mins, I can get my phone into an out of the box condition and viola the warranty is good again.

I am going to pay full price, so I would say I'm not a typical smartphone consumer. I have like 18 months left on my contract. My phone is perfectly good, just want lte and next gen samoled, plus I suffer from "gotta have the new thing" syndrome. lol

**JakesPrePlus** · 04-22-2011, 08:53 PM

For me, the main two problems are Touch-Wiz (I had the Fascinate and returned it) and the update issue. I'm someone who while perfectly capable of hacking (I've jailbroken iPhones and edited seems of old Motorola phones), chooses not to. I don't think I should have to hack my phone to make it the way I want. So while I do love the idea of having a phone with such a beautiful screen, having Sense is more important, which is why I chose the Thunderbolt. I'm sure there are people who prefer Touch-Wiz to Sense though, and I certainly can't knock anyone for that.

**DroidXcon** · 04-22-2011, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by Jakes

For me, the main two problems are Touch-Wiz (I had the Fascinate and returned it) and the update issue. I'm someone who while perfectly capable of hacking (I've jailbroken iPhones and edited seems of old Motorola phones), chooses not to. I don't think I should have to hack my phone to make it the way I want. So while I do love the idea of having a phone with such a beautiful screen, having Sense is more important, which is why I chose the Thunderbolt. I'm sure there are people who prefer Touch-Wiz to Sense though, and I certainly can't knock anyone for that.

Im not liking sense

**JakesPrePlus** · 04-22-2011, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by DroidXcon

Im not liking sense

Understood, I know not everyone does. To me, it's really refined and polished, which is what I love so much about it. TouchWiz feels like it's trying too hard to be an iPhone, which is fine on my iPhone, but I don't want it on my Android device. I just don't like the feel of TouchWiz at all, nor do I like the after-market launchers.

**w00tw00twhat** · 04-23-2011, 03:36 AM

Originally Posted by Jakes

Understood, I know not everyone does. To me, it's really refined and polished, which is what I love so much about it. TouchWiz feels like it's trying too hard to be an iPhone, which is fine on my iPhone, but I don't want it on my Android device. I just don't like the feel of TouchWiz at all, nor do I like the after-market launchers.

I dont think ive kept my phone stock ever. I usual never really like the stock skin of the phone and change it anyways. Thats why all the standard **** that comes on the phone doesnt bother me cuz im going to personalize and mod the crap out of my device. There has yet to be a phone that ive seen that comes out that i actually enjoy the stock device. I just cant stand it. So it seems most who are picking this phone up are going to be hacking/rooting the phone anyways so this device to us starts to look pretty good cuz well its still up there with whats on Verizon, to me i think its better then the TB but thats me and cuz i choose AMOLED over most specs.

**JakesPrePlus** · 04-23-2011, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by w00tw00twhat

I dont think ive kept my phone stock ever. I usual never really like the stock skin of the phone and change it anyways. Thats why all the standard **** that comes on the phone doesnt bother me cuz im going to personalize and mod the crap out of my device. There has yet to be a phone that ive seen that comes out that i actually enjoy the stock device. I just cant stand it. So it seems most who are picking this phone up are going to be hacking/rooting the phone anyways so this device to us starts to look pretty good cuz well its still up there with whats on Verizon, to me i think its better then the TB but thats me and cuz i choose AMOLED over most specs.

Maybe most people who frequent this forum will be hacking or modding it, but certainly not the average consumer. Hell, I'd bet the majority of Android users don't know what rooting is. And I'm not talking about people like you and me, I'm talking about the average person who wanders into Verizon with their upgrade and picks up the shiniest new smartphone.

**w00tw00twhat** · 04-23-2011, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by Jakes

Maybe most people who frequent this forum will be hacking or modding it, but certainly not the average consumer. Hell, I'd bet the majority of Android users don't know what rooting is. And I'm not talking about people like you and me, I'm talking about the average person who wanders into Verizon with their upgrade and picks up the shiniest new smartphone.

Yeah true, the normal consumer probably doesn't care to much about the specs of the phone either, and wont mind the Touchwiz or which ever UI comes with the phone of choice. The main reason that will be stopping the normal consumer from buying this phone is the $299 price. Well at least you can pick up the phone from wirefly or walmart for $249. In the end when a consumer walks into Verizon its up to personally preference on which phone will suite that persons needs. But i was just saying that ive never really liked the skins or themes on stock phones anyways, so as i dont mind touchwiz to much, i still like to change the whole entire look and theme of the phone. So i dont factor in Skins or UI when i buy phones.