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    Default Verizon Note 3 LTE Interoperable on AT&T LTE Bands

    Sorry for the n00b post, but I was comparing specs on both the AT&T and Verizon Note 3. I was curious with AWS, would the Verizon Note 3 have access to LTE from AT&T? I know HSPA+ is inter-operable on the phone, so please be gentle .
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    Default Re: Verizon Note 3 LTE Interoperable on AT&T LTE Bands

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePiousPriest View Post
    Sorry for the n00b post, but I was comparing specs on both the AT&T and Verizon Note 3. I was curious with AWS, would the Verizon Note 3 have access to LTE from AT&T? I know HSPA+ is inter-operable on the phone, so please be gentle .
    Don't think so, AT&T is a GSM carrier and Verizon is a CDMA carrier. Not even sure if HSPA+ would work.
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    Default Re: Verizon Note 3 LTE Interoperable on AT&T LTE Bands

    The thing is, the Verizon Note 3 has a CDMA/GSM chipset that overlaps on the same bands as AT&T.

    http://forums.androidcentral.com/e?l...token=kBDTZ2A8

    Network
    LTE, CDMA/1xEVDO Rev. A (800/1900 MHz)
    Global Network: EDGE/GSM (850/900/1800/1900), HSPA/UMTS(850/900/1900/2100)


    Samsung Galaxy Note 3 - Jet Black cell phone from AT&T

    4G-LTE Bands 2, 4, 5 and 17

    4G HSPA+ with enhanced backhaul

    3G - UMTS 850/1900/2100MHz

    GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900MHz


    According to this, one could purchase a Verizon Note 3 and bring it over to AT&T, with voice and data functionality. I guess the issue would be LTE support.
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    Default Re: Verizon Note 3 LTE Interoperable on AT&T LTE Bands

    You CAN use a Verizon Note 3 on AT&T or T-Mobile. You will get hspa+ speeds only. You just have to add apn info manually to get data working, but it DOES work.
    FYI, you can use a T-Mobile N3 on AT&T & get lte.
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    Default Re: Verizon Note 3 LTE Interoperable on AT&T LTE Bands

    No way to change this through rooting and custom ROMs? Just picked up my go phone SIM card with voice and data functionality for my Note 2. I would love to mod this phone to have the ability to go anywhere I want.
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    Default Re: Verizon Note 3 LTE Interoperable on AT&T LTE Bands

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePiousPriest View Post
    No way to change this through rooting and custom ROMs? Just picked up my go phone SIM card with voice and data functionality for my Note 2. I would love to mod this phone to have the ability to go anywhere I want.
    Don't think so, they use different radios to support different bands and different network technology
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    Default Re: Verizon Note 3 LTE Interoperable on AT&T LTE Bands

    Quote Originally Posted by UJ95x View Post
    Don't think so, they use different radios to support different bands and different network technology
    You can get HSPA. The Verizon phone has GSM radios. Most phones now a days come with GSM for international use.

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    Default Re: Verizon Note 3 LTE Interoperable on AT&T LTE Bands

    Quote Originally Posted by Almeuit View Post
    You can get HSPA. The Verizon phone has GSM radios. Most phones now a days come with GSM for international use.

    Sent from my T-Mobile Note 3 using AC Forums.
    I know but he was asking if he could get LTE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Almeuit View Post
    You can get HSPA. The Verizon phone has GSM radios. Most phones now a days come with GSM for international use.

    Sent from my T-Mobile Note 3 using AC Forums.
    Quote Originally Posted by UJ95x View Post
    I know but he was asking if he could get LTE

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    All of you are forgetting something very important that was on the Samsung Galaxy Note 3 Box before you opened it. As All of YOU THAT OWN A SAMSUNG GALAXY NOTE 3, the box that your device arrived in contained a sticker that if received in the North or South America, read, American Model: This product is only compatible with a SIM-card issued from a mobile operator within the Americas. (The North, South and Central Americas and the Carribbean.) While packaging stickers, labeling, restrictions, mean very little to many consumers, there is a community that takes an interest in their rights of ownership.

    With that being said, and to stay on track with what the OP originally stated. All of us know who Chainfire is, if you do not, he is the one that is responsible for apk that we know called SuperUser, or SU. Anyhow, he has been hard at work on an apk called RegionLock Away which is (not a Free APK) [APP][2013.10.05] RegionLock Away [ROOT] - xda-developers that is designed to unlock the Region making our device able to swap SIM cards. Which in the instance of the AT&T LTE, I would advise using the latest available AT&T SIM card available, rather than a 5 year old 3g AT&T SIM card which would be lucky to hold 2 bars of coverage.

    Here is the link to Chainfire's XDA thread RegionLock Away which is an App (that is not Free) [APP][2013.10.05] RegionLock Away [ROOT] - xda-developers



    * I have not attempted this, as I am contempt with vzw service and full-time LTE. I have noticed some AT&T users gain an advantage lately, have not seen much from Verizon as it is still very early..
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    Default Re: Verizon Note 3 LTE Interoperable on AT&T LTE Bands

    Quote Originally Posted by KaCh0w View Post
    All of you are forgetting something very important that was on the Samsung Galaxy Note 3 Box before you opened it. As All of YOU THAT OWN A SAMSUNG GALAXY NOTE 3, the box that your device arrived in contained a sticker that if received in the North or South America, read, “American Model: This product is only compatible with a SIM-card issued from a mobile operator within the Americas. (The North, South and Central Americas and the Carribbean.) While packaging stickers, labeling, restrictions, mean very little to many consumers, there is a community that takes an interest in their rights of ownership.



    With that being said, and to stay on track with what the OP originally stated. All of us know who Chainfire is, if you do not, he is the one that is responsible for apk that we know called SuperUser, or SU. Anyhow, he has been hard at work on an apk called RegionLock Away which is (not a Free APK) [APP][2013.10.05] RegionLock Away [ROOT] - xda-developers that is designed to unlock the Region making our device able to swap SIM cards. Which in the instance of the AT&T LTE, I would advise using the latest available AT&T SIM card available, rather than a 5 year old 3g AT&T SIM card which would be lucky to hold 2 bars of coverage.

    Here is the link to Chainfire's XDA thread RegionLock Away which is an App (that is not Free) [APP][2013.10.05] RegionLock Away [ROOT] - xda-developers

    RegionLock Away - YouTube

    * I have not attempted this, as I am contempt with vzw service and full-time LTE. I have noticed some AT&T users gain an advantage lately, have not seen much from Verizon as it is still very early..
    Wrong. Once you activate your phone with YOUR region's sim, you can use ANY compatible sim from whatever country you want. The whole region lock thing was massively misunderstood & full of fud. Only the initial activation has to be done with your regional sim card.
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    Default Re: Verizon Note 3 LTE Interoperable on AT&T LTE Bands

    Quote Originally Posted by Chocu1a View Post
    Wrong. Once you activate your phone with YOUR region's sim, you can use ANY compatible sim from whatever country you want. The whole region lock thing was massively misunderstood & full of fud. Only the initial activation has to be done with your regional sim card.
    Seems you and Chainfire have a difference of opinion then. Which considering the Chainfire's Reputation he has my support as well. Perhaps you could provide some documentation that states otherwise?

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    Default Re: Verizon Note 3 LTE Interoperable on AT&T LTE Bands

    Quote Originally Posted by KaCh0w View Post
    Seems you and Chainfire have a difference of opinion then. Which considering the Chainfire's Reputation he has my support as well. Perhaps you could provide some documentation that states otherwise?

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    Right here at Android Central. Here's what's going on with the Galaxy Note 3's region-locking | Android Central
    If you've got an unlocked European or American Galaxy Note 3 and used a local SIM when you switched it on for the first time, you're good you don't need to do anything. Your Note 3 should be unlocked to use any SIM when you travel outside of the phone's home region.

    If you've got (or plan to pick up) a Galaxy Note 3 but haven't switched it on yet, make sure to use a local (same region as the phone) SIM when you switch it on for the first time and run through the initial setup.
    Once a device is activated normally, the regional SIM lock is automatically released. Users can enjoy the roaming service as usual and can use other regions SIM card when travelling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chocu1a View Post
    Wrong. Once you activate your phone with YOUR region's sim, you can use ANY compatible sim from whatever country you want. The whole region lock thing was massively misunderstood & full of fud. Only the initial activation has to be done with your regional sim card.

    I don't know about the FUD part, if the implication is that it's groundless for someone to be uncertain about what's going on with Samsung's new region-lock policy, doubtful about being told the truth and afraid of the dangerous precedent set when corporations use dominant market share to act like governments when establishing international trade restrictions. You're wrong, Chocu1a, if you think FUD can't be accompanied by a resolve to uncover the truth... and to stand up for owners' rights to control how they use their phones.


    But you're right, if by right we mean that you've been precise in reiterating one of the positions Samsung representatives have taken on unlocking the region lock... and that you've accurately linked to Samsung UK's statement, a press release which was reported without independent journalistic investigation.

    Reminds me of the good ole days -- 5 weeks ago -- when we used to believe we could become knowledgeable by studying the specs provided by the manufacturer.


    But KaCh0w is right, too, if by right we mean that:

    1. A lot of people are saying that the official procedure -- use an in-region sim first then you're unlocked -- doesn't work with their phones.

    2. There have been between 500 to 1,000 downloads of Chainfire's RegionLock Away app from the Play Store... a number that doesn't include other people with Note 3's who a) have downloaded that app for free off another forum, b) have purchased unlock codes off the Internet, c) have an 'unlocked' Latin American phone that's actually locked but they don't want to root, d) have encountered the problem but aren't Internet-savvy enough to find these avenues, e) pre-ordered the phone and were i) caught by surprise when it was delivered, ii) frustrated by Samsung's ongoing lack of communication, iii) not interested in having this limitation and iv) ticked off by the surreptitious way it was introduced... and consequently returned their phones, and f) (and this could be the largest number) have a region-locked phone but don't know it... and won't find out until they travel abroad and try to avoid roaming fees.

    3. While Samsung Global has been saying nothing about region locking & unlocking, their national divisions have issued contradictory statements. For example, Samsung France has said that region-locked phones can't be unlocked. One of the two national divisions most predominant in making the statement you've referred to a couple of times here, Samsung Germany, put it in writing but then retracted it. The other division, Samsung UK, has been willing to say on the phone several times that, although their phrase, "[users] can use other regions SIM card when traveling" could be understood to mean that users are restricted to 'using other sims from within the same region,' what it really means is that the region lock is completely released... yet they've repeatedly refused to put that in writing.


    We probably should take this over to The Note 3 is region locked out of respect to the OP. Sorry, ThePiousPriest... I know you've asked a separate question here.
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    Default Re: Verizon Note 3 LTE Interoperable on AT&T LTE Bands

    Definitely not trying to hijack the thread at all, but figured this might be a good place to ask if the reverse would be possible. An AT&T Note 3 on Verizon's network? Would LTE work?
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    Default Re: Verizon Note 3 LTE Interoperable on AT&T LTE Bands

    Quote Originally Posted by JiggaLoew View Post
    Definitely not trying to hijack the thread at all, but figured this might be a good place to ask if the reverse would be possible. An AT&T Note 3 on Verizon's network? Would LTE work?
    Unless a phone is branded for Verizon and is in there database, you have a better chance stopping the bulls from running then trying to get a non Verizon phone on there network.
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    Default Re: Verizon Note 3 LTE Interoperable on AT&T LTE Bands

    Quote Originally Posted by JiggaLoew View Post
    Definitely not trying to hijack the thread at all, but figured this might be a good place to ask if the reverse would be possible. An AT&T Note 3 on Verizon's network? Would LTE work?
    Yes, but they'll do their best to keep that from happening

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    How will they try to keep that from happening? I can have the phone unlocked with att (I'm military and they are usually pretty helpful with me on unlocking). Is it as simple as just Swapping in a sim card from Verizon and everything will work? Lte included? Thank you for your help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JiggaLoew View Post
    How will they try to keep that from happening? I can have the phone unlocked with att (I'm military and they are usually pretty helpful with me on unlocking). Is it as simple as just Swapping in a sim card from Verizon and everything will work? Lte included? Thank you for your help.
    If it is a att note 3, then won't work on Verizon.

    Sent from my Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 3 via Tapatalk Pro
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    So to clarify: If I purchase an unlocked note 3 or one that is locked to Verizon, can I get a SIM card from ATT to use on my husband's share plan for a few months until we both switch to Verizon? Not traveling anywhere outside the midwest US. Or will I have trouble setting up on ATT's GSM?
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    Default Re: Verizon Note 3 LTE Interoperable on AT&T LTE Bands

    does apn mean account provider network?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katy Moore1 View Post
    So to clarify: If I purchase an unlocked note 3 or one that is locked to Verizon, can I get a SIM card from ATT to use on my husband's share plan for a few months until we both switch to Verizon? Not traveling anywhere outside the midwest US. Or will I have trouble setting up on ATT's GSM?
    Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 3 is factory sim unlocked. You can use an att sim, but beware that you won't get 4glte unless you root to enable band 4, and even then att band 4 is limited

    Sent from my Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 3 via Tapatalk Pro
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katy Moore1 View Post
    does apn mean account provider network?
    Access Point Name

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    Default Re: Verizon Note 3 LTE Interoperable on AT&T LTE Bands

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePiousPriest View Post
    The thing is, the Verizon Note 3 has a CDMA/GSM chipset that overlaps on the same bands as AT&T.

    Set Your Location



    Samsung Galaxy Note 3 - Jet Black cell phone from AT&T



    According to this, one could purchase a Verizon Note 3 and bring it over to AT&T, with voice and data functionality. I guess the issue would be LTE support.

    How do I acquire the necessary steps to do this? I have a Verizon GN3 and installed my AT&T S4 SIM card in it. Everything seems to work except data, the store that sold the GN3 seems to be at a loss why this would be. . . . appreciate any help, would really like to keep the GN3, but store will take it back if we can't figure this out. Thank you in advance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrntphxr View Post
    How do I acquire the necessary steps to do this? I have a Verizon GN3 and installed my AT&T S4 SIM card in it. Everything seems to work except data, the store that sold the GN3 seems to be at a loss why this would be. . . . appreciate any help, would really like to keep the GN3, but store will take it back if we can't figure this out. Thank you in advance.
    Google the ATT APN settings or put the sim back in your s4 and write down the info. Then put the ATT sim in your N3 and edit the APN to match ATT. And make sure you are on global or gsm.

    I've used ATT and straight talk sim cards getting HSPA+ only.
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    The region locking is to keep someone from say the US ordering a new phone from somewhere say China for a cheaper price and then using it over here. This is all about profits. If you activate the phone with a sim card from that region then you can take it where ever. This is a SOFTWARE issue and Chainfire's application will allow you to order the phone from somewhere cheaper and activate somewhere else.

    Now the transmission by which the cell phone works is HARDWARE. Software cannot change hardware. It can change hardware settings.

    ATT and Verizon use different hardware for transmission. Now the note 3 does have a dual chip for transmission which will save Samsung money and increase profits by not having to buy two different chips.

    So the easiest way to answer this HARDWARE issue which has nothing to do with region locking would be for someone with an ATT LTE sim card to put it in a Note 3 from Verizon and see if it works?

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