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  1. Ry's Avatar
    https://www.androidcentral.com/iphon...alue-flagships

    The fact that you're getting the best mobile chipset in a phone that costs $399 is incredible. To put things into context, there's no equivalent on the Android side that is powered by the Snapdragon 865 for under $600, and you have to consider that Qualcomm's chipset isn't as fast as what Apple is offering with the A13.
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    04-15-2020 01:58 PM
  2. mustang7757's Avatar
    Yeah andriod better be worried
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    04-15-2020 02:06 PM
  3. B. Diddy's Avatar
    Meh.
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    04-15-2020 02:11 PM
  4. Mooncatt's Avatar
    But it's still an iPhone...
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    04-15-2020 02:21 PM
  5. mustang7757's Avatar
    But it's still an iPhone...
    phone
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    04-15-2020 02:21 PM
  6. Mooncatt's Avatar
    phone
    Illuminati phone?

    Seems legit.
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    04-15-2020 02:25 PM
  7. mustang7757's Avatar
    Illuminati phone?

    Seems legit.
    Lol
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    04-15-2020 02:26 PM
  8. ptkelly's Avatar
    You mean Apple is putting out a phone with a Snapdragon 865 for less than $600. That's amazing. Does that price tag include the Apple tax?
    04-15-2020 02:40 PM
  9. Javier P's Avatar
    I really like the idea of including the latest chip on a cheap device, performance and updates will be pretty good. But that's it I think. What I see is a phone with a tiny screen, huuuuge bezels and a screen-to-body ratio of ~65%, all numbers basically the same than my old Moto G that I bought in 2013.

    Many people love smaller phones, but in this case the biggest corner being cut is a tiny (by today's standards) display in a not so small frame.
    04-15-2020 02:58 PM
  10. TgeekB's Avatar
    It will sell well. Many people have been waiting for this from Apple. A smaller device with top processor and Apple ecosystem. All starting at $399.
    04-15-2020 03:51 PM
  11. MoreDef's Avatar
    So the match-up to keep an eye on is the Pixel 4a vs iPhone 9. At that price range, I know people aren't expecting flagship performance, but with these two models, that's basically what they're getting. There are some luxuries that they give up, like screen real estate or high refresh rate, but at the end of the day, both are powered by Google and Apple directly, which goes a long way. I'm interested how they stack up in the following categories, which would be the bare minimum (in my opinion) for making a phone at that cost a great purchase, versus buying the phone strictly dictated by cost and budget.

    1) camera. Who shoots better stills in poor lighting. Who shoots better selfies? Who shoots with less shutter lag? I'm leaving video out because that's just not something fair you can expect from that price range, especially when you take into consideration their screens and camera limitations.

    2) battery life. Who gets more, and how much more?

    I feel like that's it...if it can shoot good pictures and last all day, it's a winner, because with everything else, you're pretty much getting a stock experience, no skins, no booatware, just a pure experience.

    I'm excited to see where this battle takes the industry.
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    04-15-2020 03:53 PM
  12. bembol's Avatar
    I highly doubt specs/performance has anything to do with it.

    Last year, people were still buying iPhone 6/6S because they where discounted.

    All about status.
    04-15-2020 04:28 PM
  13. Ry's Avatar
    I highly doubt specs/performance has anything to do with it.

    Last year, people were still buying iPhone 6/6S because they where discounted.

    All about status.
    Status with a cheap phone?

    (US-centric here but) I still can't believe there are people that are on the "Apple as a status symbol" train - especially when they basically cost the same as their Samsung counterparts.

    Using a 6S in 2019 (basically up until the iOS 13 launch) was fine. It was a good, cheap, and up to date phone.
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    04-15-2020 05:03 PM
  14. Ry's Avatar
    So the match-up to keep an eye on is the Pixel 4a vs iPhone 9. At that price range, I know people aren't expecting flagship performance, but with these two models, that's basically what they're getting. There are some luxuries that they give up, like screen real estate or high refresh rate, but at the end of the day, both are powered by Google and Apple directly, which goes a long way. I'm interested how they stack up in the following categories, which would be the bare minimum (in my opinion) for making a phone at that cost a great purchase, versus buying the phone strictly dictated by cost and budget.

    1) camera. Who shoots better stills in poor lighting. Who shoots better selfies? Who shoots with less shutter lag? I'm leaving video out because that's just not something fair you can expect from that price range, especially when you take into consideration their screens and camera limitations.

    2) battery life. Who gets more, and how much more?

    I feel like that's it...if it can shoot good pictures and last all day, it's a winner, because with everything else, you're pretty much getting a stock experience, no skins, no booatware, just a pure experience.

    I'm excited to see where this battle takes the industry.
    Camera will be the biggest comparison, IMO.

    Almost everything else is in favor of the iPhone SE.

    Current "flagship" level SoC - Pixel 4a won't be on Qualcomm's highest-end but the A13 Bionic is a flagship-level processor

    Length of OS updates - surprise me here with your own stuff, Google. Pixel 4A will probably get 3, maybe 4 years of updates. It wouldn't surprise me to see Apple support this SE through 2025/2026.

    Length of Security updates - see OS updates.

    Serviceability - something happens? It's much easier to get your iPhone fixed or replaced than any other device.

    Battery - maybe Pixel 4a outright wins here but as long as the SE can go a day or day and half, it'll be fine. And, back to serviceability, if something goes wrong with the battery on the iPhone, it'll probably be easier to get that replace.

    Leaving out the subjective stuff like hardware and OS design, of course.
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    04-15-2020 05:10 PM
  15. bembol's Avatar
    Just to be seen with an iPhone regardless.


    That's my point, I remember the Samsung Galaxy S9 was also discounted. "Ewww, I don't want an android." Heard it so many times from teens.

    I have no numbers to prove anything just going by what my nephews, nieces, cousins were all asking for and what I was over hearing at places like Wal-Mart, carrier stores, etc.
    04-15-2020 05:16 PM
  16. TgeekB's Avatar
    Status with a cheap phone?
    I agree. People have to stop thinking everyone who buys an iPhone is doing it because of status.
    What about people who buy expensive Samsung phones?
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    04-15-2020 05:17 PM
  17. Ry's Avatar
    I really like the idea of including the latest chip on a cheap device, performance and updates will be pretty good. But that's it I think. What I see is a phone with a tiny screen, huuuuge bezels and a screen-to-body ratio of ~65%, all numbers basically the same than my old Moto G that I bought in 2013.

    Many people love smaller phones, but in this case the biggest corner being cut is a tiny (by today's standards) display in a not so small frame.
    As much as phone reviewers would like us to believe, it seems like the masses don't care that much about huge bezels with bad screen-to-body ratios. In terms of body, this second generation iPhone SE isn't much smaller than the iPhone 11 Pro. I was really hoping that this new iPhone SE would have used the same body as the iPhone 5/5S.

    I think what Apple is saying by using the iPhone 7/8 body is that there's a demand not for "small" phones but for the return of Touch ID. And at the $399 price-point, it makes financial sense to re-use parts.

    One of Apple's innovations is their scale.
    04-15-2020 05:17 PM
  18. Javier P's Avatar
    As much as phone reviewers would like us to believe, it seems like the masses don't care that much about huge bezels with bad screen-to-body ratios. In terms of body, this second generation iPhone SE isn't much smaller than the iPhone 11 Pro. I was really hoping that this new iPhone SE would have used the same body as the iPhone 5/5S.

    I think what Apple is saying by using the iPhone 7/8 body is that there's a demand not for "small" phones but for the return of Touch ID. And at the $399 price-point, it makes financial sense to re-use parts.

    One of Apple's innovations is their scale.
    Not sure about the masses not caring about the screen-to-body ratio, do you have any information to prove that? The global tendency is big screens for the simple reason that watching videos, playing games, typing a lot and whatnot is more enjoyable. Smaller bezels just means bigger screens in the same external dimensions. And then the personal aesthetic reasons, but that's a different thing.

    I agree that commercially is going to be a success. Using existing body and chip cuts the costs so the phone can be cheaper. I don't think Apple are trying to say anything, they are just trying to make money, and they will.
    04-15-2020 05:33 PM
  19. Ry's Avatar
    Not sure about the masses not caring about the screen-to-body ratio, do you have any information to prove that? The global tendency is big screens for the simple reason that watching videos, playing games, typing a lot and whatnot is more enjoyable. Smaller bezels just means bigger screens in the same external dimensions. And then the personal aesthetic reasons, but that's a different thing.

    I agree that commercially is going to be a success. Using existing body and chip cuts the costs so the phone can be cheaper. I don't think Apple are trying to say anything, they are just trying to make money, and they will.
    I don't, which is why I said it "seems" - as in, body-to-screen ratio isn't a relevant factor in most buying decisions. Do you have any information to prove that they do care? I'd point to iPhone sales numbers but Apple doesn't break that down anymore.
    04-15-2020 05:39 PM
  20. Javier P's Avatar
    I don't, which is why I said it "seems" - as in, body-to-screen ratio isn't a relevant factor in most buying decisions. Do you have any information to prove that they do care? I'd point to iPhone sales numbers but Apple doesn't break that down anymore.
    I said that the global tendency is bigger screens, which is a fact. I am just questioning why you think masses don't care about huge bezels.
    04-15-2020 05:42 PM
  21. Morty2264's Avatar
    That's pretty cool. Glad Apple is making some headway with producing phones at a lesser cost.
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    04-15-2020 05:43 PM
  22. eric002's Avatar
    But it's still an iPhone...
    Meh.
    And you know after all this, I'd have to agree with you! doesn't matter the price point of the iPhone versus Android. Two different OS's. It's a more affordable iPhone, and the very affordable pixel phone..
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    04-15-2020 05:45 PM
  23. mustang7757's Avatar
    Just to be seen with an iPhone regardless.


    That's my point, I remember the Samsung Galaxy S9 was also discounted. "Ewww, I don't want an android." Heard it so many times from teens.

    I have no numbers to prove anything just going by what my nephews, nieces, cousins were all asking for and what I was over hearing at places like Wal-Mart, carrier stores, etc.
    Among teens thats all they want is iphone
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    04-15-2020 05:48 PM
  24. customshopkv1's Avatar
    It'll be something stupid like 32GB
    04-15-2020 05:51 PM
  25. Ry's Avatar
    I said that the global tendency is bigger screens, which is a fact. I am just questioning why you think masses don't care about huge bezels.
    It's a safe assumption for sure, but unless you can break down the models and their screen sizes you probably won't know that for a fact.

    Anecdotally, I don't think the masses care about huge bezels because I still see a significant number of Touch ID iPhones when just looking around at what people are using and I don't think I've heard any of my friends or family (that are not into mobile phones as much as I am) say things like "these bezels are too big".

    Also globally, these were reported to be the top selling smartphones of 2019, and they makes up about 15% of the global market.

    https://www.engadget.com/2020-02-29-...e-samsung.html

    1. iPhone XR
    2. iPhone 11
    3. Galaxy A50
    4. Galaxy A10
    5. Oppo A5
    6. iPhone 8
    7. Galaxy A20
    8. iPhone 11 Pro Max
    9. iPhone 7
    10. iPhone XS Max

    Taking some (educated?) guesses here. XR got a full year of sales and was the best value on the "high-end". The iPhone 11 was it's replacement in the lineup. The Galaxy A50, A10, and A20 are probably on the list because of price and value. Same with the Oppo A5 (and popularity in China and India?). iPhone 11 Pro Max and iPhone XS Max also help to validate big displays, small bezels. I'd say the XR and 11 are deceiving when it comes to bezel size. But the iPhone 8 and the iPhone 7 are also on the list. I'm not saying that they're there because of bezels but more that people still want Touch ID (and they don't care about the bezels).

    It's not that they don't care. It's just that bezels won't stop people (the masses) from buying a phone, IMO. So many sold last year were still iPhones 7 and 8.
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    04-15-2020 06:09 PM
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