The iPhone SE 2020 basically just killed the Pixel 4a and other value flagships...

[Morty2264]

That's pretty cool. Glad Apple is making some headway with producing phones at a lesser cost.

 

[eric002]

But it's still an iPhone...

Meh.

And you know after all this, I'd have to agree with you! doesn't matter the price point of the iPhone versus Android. Two different OS's. It's a more affordable iPhone, and the very affordable pixel phone..

 

[mustang7757]

Just to be seen with an iPhone regardless.


That's my point, I remember the Samsung Galaxy S9 was also discounted. "Ewww, I don't want an android." Heard it so many times from teens.

I have no numbers to prove anything just going by what my nephews, nieces, cousins were all asking for and what I was over hearing at places like Wal-Mart, carrier stores, etc.

Among teens thats all they want is iphone

 

[customshopkv1]

It'll be something stupid like 32GB

 

[Ry]

I said that the global tendency is bigger screens, which is a fact. I am just questioning why you think masses don't care about huge bezels.

It's a safe assumption for sure, but unless you can break down the models and their screen sizes you probably won't know that for a fact.

Anecdotally, I don't think the masses care about huge bezels because I still see a significant number of Touch ID iPhones when just looking around at what people are using and I don't think I've heard any of my friends or family (that are not into mobile phones as much as I am) say things like "these bezels are too big".

Also globally, these were reported to be the top selling smartphones of 2019, and they makes up about 15% of the global market.

https://www.engadget.com/2020-02-29-top-selling-smartphones-2019-apple-samsung.html

1. iPhone XR
2. iPhone 11
3. Galaxy A50
4. Galaxy A10
5. Oppo A5
6. iPhone 8
7. Galaxy A20
8. iPhone 11 Pro Max
9. iPhone 7
10. iPhone XS Max

Taking some (educated?) guesses here. XR got a full year of sales and was the best value on the "high-end". The iPhone 11 was it's replacement in the lineup. The Galaxy A50, A10, and A20 are probably on the list because of price and value. Same with the Oppo A5 (and popularity in China and India?). iPhone 11 Pro Max and iPhone XS Max also help to validate big displays, small bezels. I'd say the XR and 11 are deceiving when it comes to bezel size. But the iPhone 8 and the iPhone 7 are also on the list. I'm not saying that they're there because of bezels but more that people still want Touch ID (and they don't care about the bezels).

It's not that they don't care. It's just that bezels won't stop people (the masses) from buying a phone, IMO. So many sold last year were still iPhones 7 and 8.

 

[Javier P]

It's a safe assumption for sure, but unless you can break down the models and their screen sizes you probably won't know that for a fact.

Anecdotally, I don't think the masses care about huge bezels because I still see a significant number of Touch ID iPhones when just looking around at what people are using and I don't think I've heard any of my friends or family (that are not into mobile phones as much as I am) say things like "these bezels are too big".

Also globally, these were reported to be the top selling smartphones of 2019, and they makes up about 15% of the global market.

https://www.engadget.com/2020-02-29-top-selling-smartphones-2019-apple-samsung.html

1. iPhone XR
2. iPhone 11
3. Galaxy A50
4. Galaxy A10
5. Oppo A5
6. iPhone 8
7. Galaxy A20
8. iPhone 11 Pro Max
9. iPhone 7
10. iPhone XS Max

Taking some (educated?) guesses here. XR got a full year of sales and was the best value on the "high-end". The iPhone 11 was it's replacement in the lineup. The Galaxy A50, A10, and A20 are probably on the list because of price and value. Same with the Oppo A5 (and popularity in China and India?). iPhone 11 Pro Max and iPhone XS Max also help to validate big displays, small bezels. I'd say the XR and 11 are deceiving when it comes to bezel size. But the iPhone 8 and the iPhone 7 are also on the list. I'm not saying that they're there because of bezels but more that people still want Touch ID (and they don't care about the bezels).

It's not that they don't care. It's just that bezels won't stop people (the masses) from buying a phone, IMO. So many sold last year were still iPhones 7 and 8.

Even if your list could give a global view, which it doesn't, it proves my point that the global tendency is bigger screens. Not sure what you mean. The thing is that it only represents the 15% of the market. Why? Because it lists individual models where specially Apple shines up because their limited number of models.

If you take global numbers by brands, instead of individual devices, you'll get a completely different pictures where little screens, like in the iPhone 8, are much less noticeable, almost an anomaly. The masses, as you said, buy entry of mid-ranger phones from brands like Samsung, Huawei, Xiaomi, OPPO or even Motorola.

Maybe what you mean by "care" is more related to affordability. The masses buy cheap, the specs they care or not is probably secondary. Even so, big screens are more popular than the ones under 5".

 

[anon(50597)]

I said that the global tendency is bigger screens, which is a fact. I am just questioning why you think masses don't care about huge bezels.

I believe I read somewhere today that Apple has sold over 500 million phones with that form factor. It’s very popular and I believe, along with the low price, it will continue to be.
We have to remember, when discussing these things, that “we” are not the norm. We are outliers.

 

[anon(50597)]

That's pretty cool. Glad Apple is making some headway with producing phones at a lesser cost.

I think it will help push a Google to do better, which is good for us.

 

[anon(50597)]

It'll be something stupid like 32GB

It starts at 64gb, with options at 128 and 256.

 

[MoreDef]

Yeah, the less these manufacturers can hide behind the veil of "technology is expensive so just pay the price and shut up", the better. I mean, a $400 iPhone or Pixel? Geez. I mean, even if I wanted specs AND either the stock Android or iPhone experience, I could buy either (or both) and still have enough for a third device that could give me what the other two are lacking (larger screen, higher refresh rate, more RAM and memory for gaming, a stylus, etc)...and it would still be cheaper or about the same as the top tier Sammy or iphone.

 

[mustang7757]

I believe pixel still the one to beat in auto camera department over all them , the iPhone has it in video department that's what the pixel needs to improve on .

 

[Ry]

Even if your list could give a global view, which it doesn't, it proves my point that the global tendency is bigger screens. Not sure what you mean. The thing is that it only represents the 15% of the market. Why? Because it lists individual models where specially Apple shines up because their limited number of models.

If you take global numbers by brands, instead of individual devices, you'll get a completely different pictures where little screens, like in the iPhone 8, are much less noticeable, almost an anomaly. The masses, as you said, buy entry of mid-ranger phones from brands like Samsung, Huawei, Xiaomi, OPPO or even Motorola.

Maybe what you mean by "care" is more related to affordability. The masses buy cheap, the specs they care or not is probably secondary. Even so, big screens are more popular than the ones under 5".

We're going from body to screen size ratio to simply bigger screens.

I don't think that people care about bezels as much as reviewers like to think. People could by some minimal bezel wonder from OnePlus but more people will choose to buy an iPhone 7 or iPhone 8.

Of course this will vary from regional to region, country to country.

 

[Ry]

Yeah, the less these manufacturers can hide behind the veil of "technology is expensive so just pay the price and shut up", the better. I mean, a $400 iPhone or Pixel? Geez. I mean, even if I wanted specs AND either the stock Android or iPhone experience, I could buy either (or both) and still have enough for a third device that could give me what the other two are lacking (larger screen, higher refresh rate, more RAM and memory for gaming, a stylus, etc)...and it would still be cheaper or about the same as the top tier Sammy or iphone.

I remember when max price was $650.

 

[Ry]

I believe pixel still the one to beat in auto camera department over all them , the iPhone has it in video department that's what the pixel needs to improve on .

Good call on video. There isn't a mass-market Android phone can compete with the iPhone on video.

 

[mustang7757]

Good call on video. There isn't a mass-market Android phone can compete with the iPhone on video.

Well , I've always thought that iPhone and Samsung was neck to neck in video , what you can do now in Samsung video with audio zoom in is unbelievable but iPhone beats it in camera no question.

 

[ptkelly]

I believe pixel still the one to beat in auto camera department over all them , the iPhone has it in video department that's what the pixel needs to improve on .

Unless you want to consider Huawei, Xiaomi, and perhaps One+ 8

 

[Ry]

Unless you want to consider Huawei, Xiaomi, and perhaps One+ 8

Do they have new/current phones for sale now (or soon) in the US in the $400 price range that can compete with the potential of the Pixel 4a photos (of course based on Pixel 3a quality)?

 

[Javier P]

We're going from body to screen size ratio to simply bigger screens.

I don't think that people care about bezels as much as reviewers like to think. People could by some minimal bezel wonder from OnePlus but more people will choose to buy an iPhone 7 or iPhone 8.

Of course this will vary from regional to region, country to country.

They go together, as I mentioned on my first reply. An screen-to-body ratio ~65% can't include a big screen for obvious reasons.

 

[Ry]

They go together, as I mentioned on my first reply. An screen-to-body ratio ~65% can't include a big screen for obvious reasons.

Technically it can though.

 

[Javier P]

Technically it can though.

Of course it can, see the iPad 2, for example.