11-29-2017 01:32 AM
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  1. dpham00's Avatar
    There's no 3.5mm headphone jack like the z force droid, will this be a deal breaker for you? Personally, I haven't used 3.5mm headphones in years so it doesn't bother me, but i can see it as a downer for those that do. There is an usb c to headphone jack in the box but that seems very easy to lose, IMO.
    Morty2264 likes this.
    07-25-2017 03:31 PM
  2. Doug Moffat's Avatar
    Deal breaker!
    11B1P likes this.
    07-25-2017 04:21 PM
  3. shadowsjc's Avatar
    Deal breaker for me. I have a Motorola g4 plus and have been tracking the z2 force eagerly for some time. I can't believe they reduced the battery and took off the headphone jack.

    I use Bluetooth headphones during my work commute, but sometimes its not practical to fire up the headset (like if I want to listen to something at work, I want the option to plug in my earbuds without some stupid adapter).

    This phone is a hard pass for me. I will probably just try to catch the g5 plus next time it goes on sale.
    07-25-2017 04:41 PM
  4. Ry's Avatar
    Wasn't a deal breaker when I bought the first Moto Z Force.
    07-25-2017 06:22 PM
  5. Mike Dee's Avatar
    There's no 3.5mm headphone jack like the z force droid, will this be a deal breaker for you? Personally, I haven't used 3.5mm headphones in years so it doesn't bother me, but i can see it as a downer for those that do. There is an usb c to headphone jack in the box but that seems very easy to lose, IMO.
    Yes.... Deal breaker.
    Qc_Anubis likes this.
    07-25-2017 09:20 PM
  6. ecr80's Avatar
    Yes to your first question, but I can't believe they aren't including an adaptor.
    According to to the T-Mobile site it includes the adapter.
    07-25-2017 09:53 PM
  7. Mike Dee's Avatar
    According to to the T-Mobile site it includes the adapter.
    I actually read the post wrong
    07-25-2017 10:10 PM
  8. Ry's Avatar
    Yes to your first question, but I can't believe they aren't including an adaptor.
    Andrew's retail box had the adapter.
    07-25-2017 10:27 PM
  9. Mike-Mike's Avatar
    didn't phase me on the first one, I just put the adapter on my headphones and left it there, never even noticed it
    07-27-2017 09:00 AM
  10. PowrDroid's Avatar
    If it comes with the adapter, not a deal breaker. But it's an unnecessary hassle to need an adapter. Just another detraction from this phone.
    07-27-2017 11:14 AM
  11. Doug Moffat's Avatar
    Bluetooth headphones, in my experience, are way behind wired microphones. They're fine for conversations but not music. Maybe if you favor gargantuan base that might make a difference. I don't know.

    Deal breaker!
    07-27-2017 11:40 AM
  12. PowrDroid's Avatar
    Bluetooth headphones, in my experience, are way behind wired microphones. They're fine for conversations but not music. Maybe if you favor gargantuan base that might make a difference. I don't know.

    Deal breaker!
    I've got a set of bluetooth headphones. Great for listening to music or podcasts while doing other activities. Yes, wired headphones have better sound quality, but if you are listening to music on your phone and expecting hi-fidelity you're doing it wrong. If I'm going to seriously listen to music it's a home system with real speakers, not a headset plugged into a phone.
    07-27-2017 12:10 PM
  13. Doug Moffat's Avatar
    I've got a set of bluetooth headphones. Great for listening to music or podcasts while doing other activities. Yes, wired headphones have better sound quality, but if you are listening to music on your phone and expecting hi-fidelity you're doing it wrong. If I'm going to seriously listen to music it's a home system with real speakers, not a headset plugged into a phone.
    Respectfully, I disagree. A good set of wired headphones can, in my experience, produce outstanding sound from a premium phone.
    MSFTisMIA likes this.
    07-27-2017 08:10 PM
  14. YAYTech's Avatar
    You can get some good extra adapters off Amazon for pretty cheap. It's a little inconvenient, but I haven't found it to be a problem with my Z Force 1. I bought a few extra adapters & have them where I'm most likely to use them. I got some nice over ear headphones a little while back, and they came with a headphone amp. I need the amp with my laptop, but my phone w/adapter pushes hard enough that I don't hear a difference with vs without the amp. So if the Zf2 is the same, at least it's good quality / strong audio.
    07-29-2017 12:20 AM
  15. PowrDroid's Avatar
    Respectfully, I disagree. A good set of wired headphones can, in my experience, produce outstanding sound from a premium phone.
    Yes, a phone with headphones can trick your brain into thinking it is hearing good music. Listening to music is about the movement of air, specifically sound waves that move the eardrum and resonate with the body. You aren't moving a lot of air with headphones. Couple that handicap with a compressed .mp3 music file that people typically listen to on their phones and you've got compromised sound quality.
    07-29-2017 11:05 AM
  16. Mike Dee's Avatar
    Andrew's retail box had the adapter.
    I read the post wrong
    07-29-2017 04:17 PM
  17. Mike Dee's Avatar
    Yes, a phone with headphones can trick your brain into thinking it is hearing good music. Listening to music is about the movement of air, specifically sound waves that move the eardrum and resonate with the body. You aren't moving a lot of air with headphones. Couple that handicap with a compressed .mp3 music file that people typically listen to on their phones and you've got compromised sound quality.
    Good headphones are not handicaped....far from it and not all mp3 files are high compression. Personally I prefer FLAC files but the right headphones can make a good MP3 pure ecstasy.
    MSFTisMIA likes this.
    07-29-2017 04:22 PM
  18. PowrDroid's Avatar
    Headphones are inherently deficient because they do not move the volume of air that musical instruments at a live performance will move or a good set of speakers will move. It's simply impossible to get the dynamic range with headphones or that feeling of being affected by bass notes.

    Also I have never heard the words 'mp3' and 'pure ecstasy' in the same sentence. I'm glad you can enjoy it.
    07-29-2017 04:57 PM
  19. Mike Dee's Avatar
    I have never heard the words 'mp3' and 'pure ecstasy' in the same sentence. I'm glad you can enjoy it.
    Well then you probably haven't listened to a good MP3 from a phone equipped with a Quad DAC and high resolution studio headphones. Granted that FLAC or lossless files sound better but decent MP3 is not as bad as some people make it out to be. In any event you don't have to agree and I won't try to convince you.
    MSFTisMIA likes this.
    07-29-2017 05:03 PM
  20. Almeuit's Avatar
    Not a deal breaker for me. I use BT at home, work, and my truck. I never plug in.
    08-01-2017 12:20 PM
  21. torbach1's Avatar
    For me, as long as these phones don't have a great DAC anyway, it doesn't matter. I do wish they shipped more phones for example, with the DAC from the LG V20, and if they did, the headphone jack would be the only way to enjoy it. Unfortunately it seems that for most users, audio quality is not a priority. The product managers at these companies who choose not to ship the DAC or to remove the headphone jack are not likely doing this in a vacuum.
    08-01-2017 12:22 PM
  22. hgoldner#CB's Avatar
    Not a deal breaker. Have had the HTC 10 and U11 for some time now and the functionality of active noise cancellation (both through the U11's handset and through JBL Aware-C earphones) more than makes up for the lack of a headphone jack. Bigger deal breakers are: (1) no removable sdcard; and (2) not working on Verizon. Incidentally, in discussing the 10 v. the U11 with prospective buyers, I mention the headphone jack, but the lack of a CDMA radio in the U11 is likely more of a big deal.
    08-01-2017 12:48 PM
  23. undefinederror's Avatar
    The headphone jack is necessary. I wouldn't buy a phone without one.

    I own bluetooth headphones, and they are handy and portable. But I've always got a reliable set of normal headphones in my bag, incase the battery dies in the bluetooth.

    It's also worth noting that switching your bluetooth headphones between different devices throughout the day can be tedious. With normal headphones, you just unplug it and move on.
    MSFTisMIA likes this.
    08-01-2017 01:32 PM
  24. Trigati's Avatar
    Not a deal breaker for me. If I use a wired headset, it's always the same one so the adapter would always be connected. No big hassle here. I'm all for ditching the headphone jack in favor of USB C.
    08-01-2017 01:42 PM
  25. PietDaDoos's Avatar
    Deal-breaker. I've got an excellent noise-cancelling headset, running off Bluetooth for up to six hours on a charge. When the battery goes, I hook up the cable. I also resort to this when I fly (a lot), as the toys have to be in flight mode.
    08-01-2017 01:49 PM
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