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Regarding the pre-emptive PenTile Galaxy Nexus bashing | Android Central
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Regarding the pre-emptive PenTile Galaxy Nexus bashing | Android Central
Too Much Negativity
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IceDree
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This is a great thread guys , well said
Here's is the thing , people will always find a reason to complain about something in a phone xxxx , just for the sake of complain
If its not the screen. Its the SD , just something
So what if :
If it have a PenTile screen ? I've an Atrix & I think the screen is gorgeous , my friends (one have iPhone & one have a Samsung wave) also think its gorgeous
If its using TI OMAP instead of Exnyos?
Now I haven't tried an OMAP dual core phone , but I've tried Tegra 2 , Snapdragon S3 & Exnyous , there's no noticeable difference between them , all of them are fast
If it doesn't have an SD?
If it was only 4 or 8 GB , I would've agreed its a problem , but 16 is allot of space , I've 400 songs & 120 apps & games in my Atrix & still have 10GB left
Bottom line , people will always complaint , bash & trash phones they never used (they called Haters)
Personally , I love my Atrix & I won't get a Galaxy Nexus , but that does NOT mean its a bad phone
I think its a great phone & congratulations in advance to all the people who are getting one
Here's is the thing , people will always find a reason to complain about something in a phone xxxx , just for the sake of complain
If its not the screen. Its the SD , just something
So what if :
If it have a PenTile screen ? I've an Atrix & I think the screen is gorgeous , my friends (one have iPhone & one have a Samsung wave) also think its gorgeous
If its using TI OMAP instead of Exnyos?
Now I haven't tried an OMAP dual core phone , but I've tried Tegra 2 , Snapdragon S3 & Exnyous , there's no noticeable difference between them , all of them are fast
If it doesn't have an SD?
If it was only 4 or 8 GB , I would've agreed its a problem , but 16 is allot of space , I've 400 songs & 120 apps & games in my Atrix & still have 10GB left
Bottom line , people will always complaint , bash & trash phones they never used (they called Haters)
Personally , I love my Atrix & I won't get a Galaxy Nexus , but that does NOT mean its a bad phone
I think its a great phone & congratulations in advance to all the people who are getting one
IceDree
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pepperonijack
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Gotta play the Devil's advocate here, but people aren't complaining because it's not a great phone, they're complaining because it's not the Best Phone Ever.
Remember the Nexus One? That was an awesome phone! Google looked at the smartphone world and said "Now, that's how you make a phone.". It was the best phone at the time, and it stayed at the top for a long time.
Now, remember when people were excited about the Nexus S, waiting for the first dual-core smartphone, and Google and Samsung served us an almost 6 month old hardware (Galaxy S) in a shinny "contour display"? Even though it was a great phone, people were pissed because it looked as if Google changed the Nexus brand from "leading the industry with the best phone ever" to "making a good phone".
The same thing is happening with the Galaxy Nexus. It seems like Google is deliberately not making a flawless phone to leave a chance to the competition (between Android phones).
I can see how for some people, if "Galaxy Nexus or RAZR?" (or any other existing/announced phone) is a legitimate question, then the Galaxy Nexus failed to meet their expectations and/or uphold the legacy of the Nexus One.
Remember the Nexus One? That was an awesome phone! Google looked at the smartphone world and said "Now, that's how you make a phone.". It was the best phone at the time, and it stayed at the top for a long time.
Now, remember when people were excited about the Nexus S, waiting for the first dual-core smartphone, and Google and Samsung served us an almost 6 month old hardware (Galaxy S) in a shinny "contour display"? Even though it was a great phone, people were pissed because it looked as if Google changed the Nexus brand from "leading the industry with the best phone ever" to "making a good phone".
The same thing is happening with the Galaxy Nexus. It seems like Google is deliberately not making a flawless phone to leave a chance to the competition (between Android phones).
I can see how for some people, if "Galaxy Nexus or RAZR?" (or any other existing/announced phone) is a legitimate question, then the Galaxy Nexus failed to meet their expectations and/or uphold the legacy of the Nexus One.
It's going semi-viral on twitter right now. I retweeted Phil... and now my retweet is getting retweeted out the ying yang.
Pretty cool. Every time I refresh my twitter feed I have more hat tips, lol.
You the man ericsckane!! :-D
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That's a fair point, Pepper. I just think a lot of that has to do with what you see on paper, though. If you match this phone up spec-wise, it may not blow the doors off the competition on paper. It may not be hands-down the best phone on paper when compared against the Razr, the iPhone 4S, or even the Galaxy S2.
With all that said, it may very well be the best phone based on how it performs. There is really no way as of right now to tell, but the inclusion of ICS and how it's optimized specifically to run on this phone isn't something you can put down on paper as a spec. It may be the very thing that differentiates it from the competition, though.
Unfortunately, in the world of wireless, everyone's "best" phone is their next. We'll just have to wait and see.
With all that said, it may very well be the best phone based on how it performs. There is really no way as of right now to tell, but the inclusion of ICS and how it's optimized specifically to run on this phone isn't something you can put down on paper as a spec. It may be the very thing that differentiates it from the competition, though.
Unfortunately, in the world of wireless, everyone's "best" phone is their next. We'll just have to wait and see.
Sadly, I have to agree with this. While I think its important to not focus and ignore all the bad, it shouldn't be the focus. I could honestly care less about the bad talking, because I'll get it anyways. But when people aren't sure about a phone and want to see opinions, they shouldn't have to dig through piles and piles of negative threads and posts to see what the phone truly has to offer, and what its capable of.
Just my two cents
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And I agree, but I think the people that want the best phone ever are forgetting what the Nexus line is for. It's not (all) about the hardware, it's about Android. And it always has been.
Google wants the Nexus line to showcase the latest Android OS and the select hardware to compliment the OS.
Yes you are 100% correct, the Nexus One was a BIG jump above everything that was available at the time, but it needed to be. The Android OS needed that horsepower to run how Google wanted it to run. So Google made sure it had what it needed.
Jump to the Nexus S, it wasn't a huge hardware leap and yes, you are 100% correct again, it disappointed many people who were expecting that. But for not being a big jump my Nexus S is still by far faster than any phone out there even today. I pitted it against a Bionic and for general day to day use the Nexus S is still more responsive and quicker. That's saying something for a phone that's been out for almost a year.
Now we're at the Galaxy Nexus and yes, the specs seem to disappoint if you wanted the latest and greatest. But I can promise you in 1 year, it'll still be one of the fastest and best Android phones on the market and THAT is why I would buy one (if I didn't win one...Thanks AC!).
I'm a developer (not an Android developer) and I know first hand that great software can make good hardware run better much easier than great hardware can make software run better. That's why sensed, blured and touchwized up phones need the beefer specs, they are compensating for bloat that's bogging down the phone. The nexus line doesn't have that problem.
That's why spec comparison is inaccurate, you need to use the phone to judge what's better.
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You have good and valid points, and I agree with them.
However I also don't think that peoples' negativity, especially die-hard Android users, are all that bad. If you watched the presentation/launch at Hong Kong, the presenters constantly mention that they heard the users and they listened (well mostly on Google's end anyway). I think complaining does have its uses since Google or Samsung hear their customers and they design better products as a result.
Yes, I agree the Galaxy Nexus is a great phone, but nitpicking will maybe affect the next Nexus/ICS design. If nobody gave feedback (positive or negative), the manufacturers will never know what consumers want. It'll be like when Apple tells the consumers that "This is what you want, and this is what you will buy!"
I understand some people's frustrations since in whatever product we buy (cars, phones, laptops) there will always be some thing(s) that will be a deal breaker for them and which will make them buy another product. I guess people are not looking for a perfect phone, but just a phone that is perfect for them. If that means that it has to have an SD card and they can live without the Exynos, then that's "perfect" for them. If that's a deal-breaker, then they go buy something else.
As for me, after waiting for the Galaxy Nexus specs to come out, I have chosen to upgrade my Nexus One to the Galaxy S2. It will be almost perfect for me. Then I'll hope and pray that my provider delivers ICS which will then make it perfect for me.
Go Android!
However I also don't think that peoples' negativity, especially die-hard Android users, are all that bad. If you watched the presentation/launch at Hong Kong, the presenters constantly mention that they heard the users and they listened (well mostly on Google's end anyway). I think complaining does have its uses since Google or Samsung hear their customers and they design better products as a result.
Yes, I agree the Galaxy Nexus is a great phone, but nitpicking will maybe affect the next Nexus/ICS design. If nobody gave feedback (positive or negative), the manufacturers will never know what consumers want. It'll be like when Apple tells the consumers that "This is what you want, and this is what you will buy!"
I understand some people's frustrations since in whatever product we buy (cars, phones, laptops) there will always be some thing(s) that will be a deal breaker for them and which will make them buy another product. I guess people are not looking for a perfect phone, but just a phone that is perfect for them. If that means that it has to have an SD card and they can live without the Exynos, then that's "perfect" for them. If that's a deal-breaker, then they go buy something else.
As for me, after waiting for the Galaxy Nexus specs to come out, I have chosen to upgrade my Nexus One to the Galaxy S2. It will be almost perfect for me. Then I'll hope and pray that my provider delivers ICS which will then make it perfect for me.
Go Android!
Let me show you positive.
Look at the difference ios 5 made to the iPhone 4. Only software, nearly double the benchmarks in a lot of categories. Are we getting an over clocked version of that? So GPU is a mute point.
Retina displays are very nice but not as great for action like movies and games. While the difference is only slight so is the still pic comparison to super amoled. Beside who wants a tiny retina compared to a huge samoled?
SD slot still has a lot of rumors swirling around it. 32gb no SD and 16gb w/ SD slot for Max of 32gb. I think we can learn to live without it, iPhone users did. Don't see them whining anymore.
I think that's one of the main things to focus on, CynicX. When I heard Matias make that comment about people not loving Android, I think part of it was that we love the phones, but don't appreciate what the OS can do to the hardware. I remember when the iPhone 4S came out I was reading an article by Vincent Ngyuen on Slashgear and he was doing comparisons between the new 4S and the Galaxy S2. He kept deleting the cache and clearing browsing history on the Galaxy S2 as if to prove it was a fair fight, but either he was not aware or just choosing to ignore that the biggest difference there was that the iPhone was now running on an OS that utilized both its cores.
I think we're so conditioned as fans of Android to love the phones, but this time we can really love the OS because it's going to be the main difference in blowing away the competition and making our phones run smoother.
I think we're so conditioned as fans of Android to love the phones, but this time we can really love the OS because it's going to be the main difference in blowing away the competition and making our phones run smoother.
While I was a bit upset finding out it was an OMAP 4460, think about it. We aren't going to have any content in the next year that even pushes these GPU's to their max. Infinitey Blade 1 ran on SGX535 which was about 20-30% slower than the 200mhz SGX540. Now we're at 384mhz SGX540 and although we are also at 1280x720 resolution now, it's not going to matter in the one year's time this phone will have before the next Nexus is out. I'm also ready to debate the pentile crap with anyone who wishes to once I have the device in hand or have seen it in person. with 315 PPI @ 1280x720, I'm sure it's going to be immensely better than the Nexus S screen @ 800x480. This goes hand in hand with the people who ONLY pay attention to MHZ on cpu/gpu's, MP on digital cameras and so forth.
Anyone who is an Android user bashing the screen or anything else doesn't really understand what they're complaining about, and it's shameful to begin with; stop it.
Anyone who is an Android user bashing the screen or anything else doesn't really understand what they're complaining about, and it's shameful to begin with; stop it.
Couldn't have said it better myself, grindking. One day we'll live in a world where smart people will use smartphones and understand their worth. Until then, Apple will continue to get rich.
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While I think its important to not focus and ignore all the bad, it shouldn't be the focus. I could honestly care less about the bad talking, because I'll get it anyways. But when people aren't sure about a phone and want to see opinions, they shouldn't have to dig through piles and piles of negative threads and posts to see what the phone truly has to offer, and what its capable of.
Just my two cents
This is a solid point.
I remember reading the BB forums when the Tour was about to be released. Supposedly a solid device, yet I was afraid that I was buying a brick by the time I picked mine up.
It's natural to focus on shortcomings rather than the list of advances, I suppose, especially in a forum of 2%'ers.
I appreciate all the different perspectives and opinions...knowledge and learning are my primary objectives - choosing a smartphone is a bit of a commitment but ultimately it's a tool. Just need to make sure is meets your greatest needs.
Completely unrelated, but after reading some of the stuff on here and realizing who is who, I've come to one conclusion; I need to come up with a different moniker. My name+the first two letters of my middle name pales in comparison to both being black_man and Panda, which is probably the coolest combination I've ever heard. I'm up for suggestions. Haha.
I haven't seen anyone say yet if the Galaxy Nexus has a notification LED?????? This is what has kept me from ever buying Samsung. Does anyone know??
Yes, it does. It's actually pretty unique since it's at the bottom of the phone instead of the top.
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