04-09-2015 08:00 AM
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  1. juliesdroidsync's Avatar
    I was trying to figure out every way to avoid doing this update, but I had a few quiet hours and decided to go ahead and bite the bullet.

    A lot of how we perceive our phones operating is admittedly subjective. We are watching more closely after an update, at least I know I was, and sometimes I think our perceptions maybe a bit skewed one way or the other.

    What is not subjective is benchmark testing. I used antutu benchmark app
    Several times before I did the lollipop upgrade. I got numbers between forty five thousand and forty six thousand.

    I have the same apps on the phone now as I did before. I disabled the same apps now that I had disabled before the upgrade as well.

    I do believe my phone is faster and more responsive. and here is my proof! A solid 10% increase overall. Over 50,000.

    And yes, I did the factory reset immediately after the lollipop update, before I even allowed myself to look around! :-)

    Anyone else have before and after information?

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    Attached Thumbnails Proof that lollipop is better...-screenshot_2015-04-07-10-21-11.jpg  
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    04-07-2015 11:28 AM
  2. xocomaox's Avatar
    Same apps, but different kernel.
    04-07-2015 11:42 AM
  3. juliesdroidsync's Avatar
    Same apps, but different kernel.
    That's the point, right? :-) Programs probably didn't change overnight but the operating system did. and my phone is showing a 10% overall increase in performance.

    I stand by my statement that is not subjective. That is a fact. It validates my very subjective feeling that my phone is actually even more incredibly amazing after the update... :-)

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    04-07-2015 11:47 AM
  4. xocomaox's Avatar
    Yes, but the title of this thread is not entirely accurate. You could easily get the same numbers with KitKat and a few minor kernel tweaks.
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    04-07-2015 11:49 AM
  5. juliesdroidsync's Avatar
    Yes, but the title of this thread is not entirely accurate. You could easily get the same numbers with KitKat and a few minor kernel tweaks.
    I see what you're saying, but I still think you just made my point for me... :-) I didn't do any kernel tweaking before, (cleared cache was it) and I didn't do any after. Same apps, same settings. I made a point of keeping everything the same so I could do an accurate comparison.

    The only thing that has changed on my phone is the Lollipop update. And I immediately got a solid 10% increase in performance.

    Let me put it in terms I understand a bit better, as I admit I could be missing something here... Just because I can make, with "tweaks", a Chevy 350 motor run as well or better than a stock Chevy 454 Big Block crate motor, doesn't mean that the Big Block is not better to begin with, right?

    If Benchmark testing with the same apps and settings is not proof, then what is? :-)
    04-07-2015 12:06 PM
  6. xocomaox's Avatar
    What I'm saying is that Lollipop uses a different kernel with arguably different settings for how your gpu and cpu clocks ramp up and perform. This directly affects benchmark numbers.

    What affects actual user performance outside of these statistics is the actual OS, Lollipop. Just trying to differentiate the two.
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    04-07-2015 12:10 PM
  7. xocomaox's Avatar
    What I'm saying is that Lollipop uses a different kernel with arguably different settings for how your gpu and cpu clocks ramp up and perform. This directly affects benchmark numbers.

    What affects actual user performance outside of these statistics is the actual OS, Lollipop. Just trying to differentiate the two.
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    04-07-2015 12:10 PM
  8. juliesdroidsync's Avatar
    What I'm saying is that Lollipop uses a different kernel with arguably different settings for how your gpu and cpu clocks ramp up and perform. This directly affects benchmark numbers.

    What affects actual user performance outside of these statistics is the actual OS, Lollipop. Just trying to differentiate the two.
    ...I see I have so much to learn... So, how would one more accurately test whilst differentiating between the two? :-)
    04-07-2015 12:32 PM
  9. LegalAmerican's Avatar
    What I'm saying is that Lollipop uses a different kernel with arguably different settings for how your gpu and cpu clocks ramp up and perform. This directly affects benchmark numbers.

    What affects actual user performance outside of these statistics is the actual OS, Lollipop. Just trying to differentiate the two.
    Who cares? The point is, OP's phone operates better now after the lollipop update and nothing different was done as a user, aside from updating the device. Part of the lollipop package included those tweaks that you spoke of. The Kit Kat package did not have those tweaks included. So regardless of the electronic and scientific "why's" behind the performance, the point remains that the Lollipop Update Package fits the phone better than the previous setup.
    04-07-2015 12:40 PM
  10. xocomaox's Avatar
    Who cares? The point is, OP's phone operates better now after the lollipop update and nothing different was done as a user, aside from updating the device. Part of the lollipop package included those tweaks that you spoke of. The Kit Kat package did not have those tweaks included. So regardless of the electronic and scientific "why's" behind the performance, the point remains that the Lollipop Update Package fits the phone better than the previous setup.
    I seek to understand the why's behind performance. I think most users should strive to do this as well. Wouldn't you want to know why something works better, outside of just the blanket statement of "Lollipop is better"? This isn't the iOS crowd, it's an Android forum. Let's work together to educate ourselves to better understand and utilize the technologies around us.
    04-07-2015 01:44 PM
  11. LegalAmerican's Avatar
    I seek to understand the why's behind performance. I think most users should strive to do this as well. Wouldn't you want to know why something works better, outside of just the blanket statement of "Lollipop is better"? This isn't the iOS crowd, it's an Android forum. Let's work together to educate ourselves to better understand and utilize the technologies around us.
    Sure I don't disagree with this. Except for the part that most users should strive to do what you do. But not every thread needs to have the know it all's bestow their knowledge upon everyone. OP simply was stating that the Lollipop update has generated much better performance. If your response was to simply state the different kernel (as you did), and leave it at that, I could believe that you were simply reminding folks why the performance was improved specifically. But to repeatedly quote the OP repeating the same info in a tone like he/she was wrong and you were right was pointless. The title of the thread is dead on for the point that OP was making. The title wasn't: "Lollipop uses the same Kernel as Kit Kat." If it had, you'd be correct in trying to harp on the kernel aspect.
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    04-07-2015 02:05 PM
  12. KahneFan's Avatar
    I seek to understand the why's behind performance. I think most users should strive to do this as well...
    While, me, you and most other on this forum are here because we go above and beyond with our devices, face it, most users probably open the box and press the power button.

    So, OP's test is really in reference to a good majority of users (whether we're talking electronics, appliances, cars...) who simply press power and don't go a single step past that if they don't have to.
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    04-07-2015 02:09 PM
  13. 1812dave's Avatar
    what synycalwon said!
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    04-07-2015 02:31 PM
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    04-07-2015 02:37 PM
  15. AndroidHabit's Avatar
    Sure I don't disagree with this. Except for the part that most users should strive to do what you do. But not every thread needs to have the know it all's bestow their knowledge upon everyone. OP simply was stating that the Lollipop update has generated much better performance. If your response was to simply state the different kernel (as you did), and leave it at that, I could believe that you were simply reminding folks why the performance was improved specifically. But to repeatedly quote the OP repeating the same info in a tone like he/she was wrong and you were right was pointless. The title of the thread is dead on for the point that OP was making. The title wasn't: "Lollipop uses the same Kernel as Kit Kat." If it had, you'd be correct in trying to harp on the kernel aspect.
    You can't tell a persons tone in normal text. A lot of people read words and take them the wrong way and let their feelings run wild.
    04-07-2015 02:39 PM
  16. jimd1050's Avatar
    I was trying to figure out every way to avoid doing this update, but I had a few quiet hours and decided to go ahead and bite the bullet.

    A lot of how we perceive our phones operating is admittedly subjective. We are watching more closely after an update, at least I know I was, and sometimes I think our perceptions maybe a bit skewed one way or the other.

    What is not subjective is benchmark testing. I used antutu benchmark app
    Several times before I did the lollipop upgrade. I got numbers between forty five thousand and forty six thousand.

    I have the same apps on the phone now as I did before. I disabled the same apps now that I had disabled before the upgrade as well.

    I do believe my phone is faster and more responsive. and here is my proof! A solid 10% increase overall. Over 50,000.

    And yes, I did the factory reset immediately after the lollipop update, before I even allowed myself to look around! :-)

    Anyone else have before and after information?

    Posted via the Android Central App
    I just did mine - I looked around and found my old KitKat - 43,411. The new test after Lollipop and Factory Reset is 52421! Slick!

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    04-07-2015 03:28 PM
  17. zkyevolved's Avatar
    I for one appreciate this. I have NEVER rooted an Android device, I've NEVER tweaked anything beyond just app here, setting there, and that's it. I really do appreciate that Samsung on their own included these updates and settings to make my device work better and faster without me having to "learn" or "go out of my way" to do this. I understand that programmers, hackers, developers do this. But I am an end user, and I don't really want to know how this works. I have a hard enough schedule as is. I just want a good experience for the money I paid. If by accepting an update my device gets better, heck yeah! But I REALLY do appreciate all the developers and hackers out there. Their job is incredible. Thank you very much! But also, thank you to Sammy for making my device work better .
    04-07-2015 03:31 PM
  18. jimd1050's Avatar
    I for one appreciate this. I have NEVER rooted an Android device, I've NEVER tweaked anything beyond just app here, setting there, and that's it. I really do appreciate that Samsung on their own included these updates and settings to make my device work better and faster without me having to "learn" or "go out of my way" to do this. I understand that programmers, hackers, developers do this. But I am an end user, and I don't really want to know how this works. I have a hard enough schedule as is. I just want a good experience for the money I paid. If by accepting an update my device gets better, heck yeah! But I REALLY do appreciate all the developers and hackers out there. Their job is incredible. Thank you very much! But also, thank you to Sammy for making my device work better .
    Ditto! We really don't hear enough of this!
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    04-07-2015 03:43 PM
  19. LegalAmerican's Avatar
    You can't tell a persons tone in normal text. A lot of people read words and take them the wrong way and let their feelings run wild.
    This is true. You are correct. I suppose what I should have said, was that to repeatedly quote the OP in a manner which indicated they were wrong and he was right, was pointless and unnecessary.
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    04-07-2015 03:48 PM
  20. ffejjj's Avatar
    I seek to understand the why's behind performance. I think most users should strive to do this as well. Wouldn't you want to know why something works better, outside of just the blanket statement of "Lollipop is better"? This isn't the iOS crowd, it's an Android forum. Let's work together to educate ourselves to better understand and utilize the technologies around us.
    I couldn't agree more! Knowledge is power.

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    04-07-2015 03:55 PM
  21. juliesdroidsync's Avatar
    I just did mine - I looked around and found my old KitKat - 43,411. The new test after Lollipop and Factory Reset is 52421! Slick!

    http://www.justtruckin.net/images/AnTuTu_jd.jpg
    Interesting... We might be seeing a trend, here. Regardless of where the change came from, the change in the kernel, or the lollipop update on top of it, I am glad to see that someone else is experiencing a similar increase. I wonder how many more people will check this before and after they run the update?

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    04-07-2015 04:42 PM
  22. jimd1050's Avatar
    I couldn't agree more! Knowledge is power.

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    Love your Avatar!
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    04-07-2015 04:56 PM
  23. jimd1050's Avatar
    It may be too early to tell, but is your battery life as good as it was on Kit Kat? If not, that 10% performance increase is negated IMO. Personally, I'd rather have better battery life than a slight bump in overall performance.
    More like 20% performance increase in my case... and SO FAR... battery seems stable and similar to KitKat, but definitely NOT better!
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    04-07-2015 05:08 PM
  24. MaxBuck's Avatar
    The ability to finally store and use files on the external SD card is the biggest plus for me. Outstanding!
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    04-07-2015 05:44 PM
  25. juliesdroidsync's Avatar
    While, me, you and most other on this forum are here because we go above and beyond with our devices, face it, most users probably open the box and press the power button.

    So, OP's test is really in reference to a good majority of users (whether we're talking electronics, appliances, cars...) who simply press power and don't go a single step past that if they don't have to.
    And then there are the people in-between, which I would imagine are about as much of a minority as the extremely tech-savvy on this forum.

    My husband, for example, is a power on and go kind of guy... Could not care at all other than it works when it needs to. Then there's me (I'm the OP), and I'm somewhere in the middle. I do basic measurements of performance (like the benchmark test, for example), watch my memory usage, turn off/disable apps that I'm not using, changed my launcher, change settings & install apps to try and speed this thing up, and read the forums to try to learn a few things because I think it's interesting.

    But that's just it. I really find it interesting. My husband does not. He finds race motors interesting and can perform every subtle nuance to make a dragster's alcohol engine perform. He also has a mechanical engineering degree; he's a pretty smart guy... :-) Not all people find their phones interesting enough to invest the time and energy that I do, or to an even greater extent, that some here do.

    That does not necessarily place them in the category of, "a good majority of users (whether we're talking electronics, appliances, cars...) who simply press power and don't go a single step past that if they don't have to."

    I invest a lot of time and energy to find just the right app to help me with the things that I do to try and run our business, though. I'm not going to ever root my phone either, but still I feel like anyone that participates in these forums should probably be given the benefit of the doubt that they just might be more than "people who just hit the power button"...

    I'm just saying that it's not just 2 groups - Rocket Scientists and Idiots... there are plenty of us in-between... :-) Thanks for your post, though. I appreciate your time to answer, and yes, I do agree with you that it's probably a good, generic test that will suffice for a lot of people.

    ...Especially considering all the posts I read that say something like, "It's faster!" "It's slower." "The battery life is better!" "The battery life is worse!" "This app destroyed my phone!" (thousands of others are running it with no issue, or you've side-loaded an app that no one has ever heard of and you somehow blame the Android OS...)

    It's to all of the posts such as these that I say, "Based on what? Your subjective opinion and nothing else?" At least I have something to base my statement on. That's more than a lot of posts I read here... :-)
    04-07-2015 05:44 PM
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