1. Kizzy Catwoman's Avatar
    Here's the durability test courtesy of JerryRig Everything. And it ain't no glass screen....

    02-16-2020 11:59 AM
  2. anon(10181084)'s Avatar
    Here's the durability test courtesy of JerryRig Everything. And it ain't no glass screen....

    Why do you think I hate foldable devices... As it is our smartphones don't last enough and the last thing we need is this BS. I'm pretty sure that if electronics companies that used to exist back when Yugoslavia was a thing still existed, especially Serbian-owned Ei Niš, they would have made Samsung & Apple bankrupt a long time ago. For example, TV sets made by said Serbian company lasted several decades with little to no repai (their first TV still works like new). If Ei still existed and got into making cell phones, they would be fast and usable for 5 years at least, and they would be durable, have removable batteries and have hardware that lasted for 30+ years. Guess my dreams of immortal phones are being shattered in a worse manner every time some new crappy foldable device comes out or media bashes removable batteries. I want consumer tech to last like professional tech once again, just like 30-40 years ago instead of everything feeling like something that has a limited life.
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    02-16-2020 02:55 PM
  3. L0n3N1nja's Avatar
    Why do you think I hate foldable devices... As it is our smartphones don't last enough and the last thing we need is this BS. I'm pretty sure that if electronics companies that used to exist back when Yugoslavia was a thing still existed, especially Serbian-owned Ei Niš, they would have made Samsung & Apple bankrupt a long time ago. For example, TV sets made by said Serbian company lasted several decades with little to no repai (their first TV still works like new). If Ei still existed and got into making cell phones, they would be fast and usable for 5 years at least, and they would be durable, have removable batteries and have hardware that lasted for 30+ years. Guess my dreams of immortal phones are being shattered in a worse manner every time some new crappy foldable device comes out or media bashes removable batteries. I want consumer tech to last like professional tech once again, just like 30-40 years ago instead of everything feeling like something that has a limited life.
    I still use my 2012 Note 10 and 2013 Note 3, I've yet to have a phone or tablet fail. Even most new phones it isn't that hard to replace the battery.

    Technology rapidly changes, that is why we buy new, it usually isn't because it stopped working.
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    02-16-2020 07:52 PM
  4. anon(10181084)'s Avatar
    Well but this non-removable battery crap, 2 years of updates and screen burn-in are complete and utter planned obsolescence. Technology should be built to perform well for 5 years at least, last decades without failing. That way I never forced to upgrade, and I can pick a time to upgrade be that 1 year, 3 years, 10 years or whatever. And even after I upgrade I want the device to be able to run when I wanna use it for nostalgic stuff, etc... I don't like tech being made disposable. Another viewpoint I have is that it is utter disrespect to hardware engineers to make devices disposable and/or hard to repair. I mean just designing a basic logic circuit is a pain in the neck that takes time (personal experience from EE homework), and it is on you to imagine how hard engineers work to make a multi-billion transistor SoC.
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    02-16-2020 08:17 PM
  5. msm0511's Avatar
    Well but this non-removable battery crap, 2 years of updates and screen burn-in are complete and utter planned obsolescence. Technology should be built to perform well for 5 years at least, last decades without failing. That way I never forced to upgrade, and I can pick a time to upgrade be that 1 year, 3 years, 10 years or whatever. And even after I upgrade I want the device to be able to run when I wanna use it for nostalgic stuff, etc... I don't like tech being made disposable. Another viewpoint I have is that it is utter disrespect to hardware engineers to make devices disposable and/or hard to repair. I mean just designing a basic logic circuit is a pain in the neck that takes time (personal experience from EE homework), and it is on you to imagine how hard engineers work to make a multi-billion transistor SoC.
    You want updates, but old hardware can't run new software features after a few years. Theoretically you can use a phone for 5 years. I know a couple people that are using 5 yr old phones. Granted their security is at risk b/c they don't receive security updates anymore, but that's their choice. Heck I have a feature phone that's 15 years old that technically still works. Technology just moves too fast to keep using certain types of devices for 10+ years though.
    02-16-2020 09:12 PM
  6. anon(10181084)'s Avatar
    You want updates, but old hardware can't run new software features after a few years. Theoretically you can use a phone for 5 years. I know a couple people that are using 5 yr old phones. Granted their security is at risk b/c they don't receive security updates anymore, but that's their choice. Heck I have a feature phone that's 15 years old that technically still works. Technology just moves too fast to keep using certain types of devices for 10+ years though.
    <exits chat>
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    02-16-2020 11:23 PM
  7. o4liberty's Avatar
    This is where Apple shines everyone gets the updates on time and beta is available to everyone. I use both but prefer my Note 10+ over my iPhone 11.
    02-17-2020 10:10 AM
  8. jamezr's Avatar
    This is where Apple shines everyone gets the updates on time and beta is available to everyone. I use both but prefer my Note 10+ over my iPhone 11.
    Android betas are open to everyone as well. Then you get betas OTA..no need to hook up to a computer to restore back to stock.
    02-17-2020 11:11 AM
  9. Morty2264's Avatar
    Aw man, seeing him even fold the phone at the beginning gives me the heebie jeebies! That's definitely not glass. It looks like it's just a film, or really soft plastic.

    Very sad, especially for the price tag on that "feature phone."
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    02-17-2020 11:38 AM
  10. SwitchBoardDj's Avatar
    Its glass ...other tech sites has responded and clarified it. BUT I guess it uses plastic too. No big deal...in my opinion. That's why we all have options.

    I don't think people is going to go around doing these stress test inbtheir brand new phones. People need to stop overreacting.
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    02-17-2020 12:08 PM
  11. Morty2264's Avatar
    Its glass ...other tech sites has responded and clarified it. BUT I guess it uses plastic too. No big deal...in my opinion. That's why we all have options.

    I don't think people is going to go around doing these stress test inbtheir brand new phones. People need to stop overreacting.
    For sure - people normally don't take pocket knives to their phones - but if a phone screen is going to be so easily snagged with even a fingernail, then it will not get my vote/purchase. Plus, for that kind of a price tag, I'd expect the glass to not be that fragile.

    But of course, there will be many who will want to buy it and will be careful with it! It's a very cool concept.

    Foldable phones do look kind of cool; however I will wait a few years to see how composition/manufacturing will be improved before I purchase one.
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    02-17-2020 12:32 PM
  12. cbreze's Avatar
    Can’t find the article now to link it but saw this morning either CNET or the Verge showed a Z flip they had been using for a week that was tearing at the fold. They swear it was not abused at all. Not a good sign but maybe a fluke as well. If I find it I’ll edit this post with a link. Maybe someone else saw it?
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    02-17-2020 01:02 PM
  13. LuvMusic's Avatar
    Can’t find the article now to link it but saw this morning either CNET or the Verge showed a Z flip they had been using for a week that was tearing at the fold. They swear it was not abused at all. Not a good sign but maybe a fluke as well. If I find it I’ll edit this post with a link. Maybe someone else saw it?
    Saw an article on CNET today that referenced the Motorola Razr tearing but not the Samsung Z.
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    02-17-2020 01:39 PM
  14. cbreze's Avatar
    Saw an article on CNET today that referenced the Motorola Razr tearing but not the Samsung Z.
    Ah, my bad, thanks for the correction you are right it was the razr. Got that completely bassackwards
    02-17-2020 01:44 PM
  15. Morty2264's Avatar
    Can’t find the article now to link it but saw this morning either CNET or the Verge showed a Z flip they had been using for a week that was tearing at the fold. They swear it was not abused at all. Not a good sign but maybe a fluke as well. If I find it I’ll edit this post with a link. Maybe someone else saw it?
    I have yet to see that but yes, if you see the link or find it please post it!
    02-17-2020 03:06 PM
  16. cbreze's Avatar
    I have yet to see that but yes, if you see the link or find it please post it!
    Morty, as my above post states I had my foldables mixed up, lol. It was the razr that had the problem
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    02-17-2020 03:33 PM
  17. Morty2264's Avatar
    Morty, as my above post states I had my foldables mixed up, lol. It was the razr that had the problem
    Oops! It's a holiday here in Canada - my brain ain't working. 🤣
    02-17-2020 04:58 PM
  18. davidnc's Avatar
    Its not 100 % glass. It scratches to easy and he also pokes holes in it messes up the screen.
    02-18-2020 07:33 AM
  19. Jeremy8000's Avatar
    There is a 100% glass layer to the screen; it's just not the top layer. The top layer is essentially a plastic which, as evidenced by Zach's test, it just as subject to wear as any other plastic touchscreen.

    My guess is that depositing an ultra-thin plastic layer on top of the ultra-thin glass layer is what enabled them to provide (from what I've heard) is a touch sensation much closer to glass (due to higher rigidity) than to plastic.

    While not an outright lie, it is substantively misleading. If a fuel station offered to fill the tank of a performance vehicle using 93 octane premium fuel and then filled it from a line that blended 93 and 87 octane from separate feeds. The consumer is betrayed in that their decision to purchase is potentially substantially impacted by the expectation of tangibles delivered, and there is an absolutely tangible difference to the scratch resistance of, and the experience of using Samsung's "glass" screen and literally every other glass screen phone produced in the last 10 years.

    Horribly deceptive, and I have to wonder whether it would be actionable (though I wouldn't expect it to be litigated) under FTC's TIA regulations.
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    02-18-2020 09:23 AM
  20. LuvMusic's Avatar
    OK, maybe I was wrong. Article posted on Phandroid today about Galaxy Z Flip screen cracking when opening for the FIRST time! Here is the link: https://phandroid.com/2020/02/18/col...lays-cracking/
    02-18-2020 10:57 AM
  21. tadpoles's Avatar
    Well but this non-removable battery crap, 2 years of updates and screen burn-in are complete and utter planned obsolescence. Technology should be built to perform well for 5 years at least, last decades without failing. That way I never forced to upgrade, and I can pick a time to upgrade be that 1 year, 3 years, 10 years or whatever. And even after I upgrade I want the device to be able to run when I wanna use it for nostalgic stuff, etc... I don't like tech being made disposable. Another viewpoint I have is that it is utter disrespect to hardware engineers to make devices disposable and/or hard to repair. I mean just designing a basic logic circuit is a pain in the neck that takes time (personal experience from EE homework), and it is on you to imagine how hard engineers work to make a multi-billion transistor SoC.
    The businesses are in business to make money. That's the goal. They make more money if we all buy devices more often. It would not serve them well to make portable electronics that lasted 5-10 years.
    10-05-2020 01:00 PM
  22. J Dubbs's Avatar
    The businesses are in business to make money. That's the goal. They more more money if we all buy devices more often. It would no serve them well to make portable electronics that lasted 5-10 years.
    Yep and it works the same way with cars.....one of the biggest purchases most folks will ever make next to a house :-O Pretty s****y imo
    10-06-2020 03:11 AM
  23. tadpoles's Avatar
    Yep and it works the same way with cars.....one of the biggest purchases most folks will ever make next to a house :-O Pretty s****y imo
    You interpreted my poorly written comment well.
    J Dubbs likes this.
    10-06-2020 04:59 AM

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