11/21/2011: VZW Nexus (Unconfirmed)

[Stang68]

It seems like Panda's friend TomFleming knows the date, according to a Panda tweet. Fleming is saying 21st is what he's hearing and other people confirmed it.

Ugh...this is pissing me off. Verizon is never going to get another Nexus.

 

[Iceman0803]

It seems like Panda's friend TomFleming knows the date, according to a Panda tweet. Fleming is saying 21st is what he's hearing and other people confirmed it.

Ugh...this is pissing me off. Verizon is never going to get another Nexus.

That's what I'm afraid of too...

 

[Premium1]

It seems like Panda's friend TomFleming knows the date, according to a Panda tweet. Fleming is saying 21st is what he's hearing and other people confirmed it.

Ugh...this is pissing me off. Verizon is never going to get another Nexus.

It will come, relax all will be well soon enough

 

[VideoEngineerAJS]

It seems like Panda's friend TomFleming knows the date, according to a Panda tweet. Fleming is saying 21st is what he's hearing and other people confirmed it.

Ugh...this is pissing me off. Verizon is never going to get another Nexus.

There's no guarantee of that. Verizon wants to be on VoLTE by 2013 or 2014 at the latest and if Verizon pulls something out of thin air and releases it this Monday, that's only 4 days after the UK launch which isn't bad at all.

 

[Premium1]

There's no guarantee of that. Verizon wants to be on VoLTE by 2013 or 2014 at the latest and if Verizon pulls something out of thin air and releases it this Monday, that's only 4 days after the UK launch which isn't bad at all.

What does VOlte have anything to do with a release?

 

[VideoEngineerAJS]

What does VOlte have anything to do with a release?

It will be easier for them to make the phone global once that occurs. That's more than likely part of the reason that Apple didn't go for LTE with the 4s. By this time next year I wouldn't be surprised if some of the big time phones have HSPA, CDMA, and LTE all in one phone. I know that Verizon will be keeping CDMA as a backup, but with LTE as the primary, I doubt the CDMA antenna will be as big of an issue to integrate.

 

[obi5683]

No I didn't.

I confirmed that they lowered the standards. Did you actually read it?

I did read it, on the day each of the 4G announcements from the ITU were made. Maybe what I said wasn't clear, but we are essentially saying the same thing. They lowered standards due to popular demand. The carriers were arguing with the ITU that their new networks were significantly faster and the ITU agreed. Current 4G technologies are evolutions of 3G and LTE Advanced and WiMAX release 2 actually meet the originally stated 4G standards.

Original standards: Newsroom • Press Release

Includes 4G history: 4G - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Adrynalyne]

No, we are not saying the same thing.

You said current 4G is...not. I am saying according to the ITU, it is. The ITU is gospel on this. Whether they change their minds or not...it still stands. Today's 4G is now considered to be true 4G.

 

[VideoEngineerAJS]

I did read it, on the day each of the 4G announcements from the ITU were made. Maybe what I said wasn't clear, but we are essentially saying the same thing. They lowered standards due to popular demand. The carriers were arguing with the ITU that their new networks were significantly faster and the ITU agreed. Current 4G technologies are evolutions of 3G and LTE Advanced and WiMAX release 2 actually meet the originally stated 4G standards.

Original standards: Newsroom • Press Release

Includes 4G history: 4G - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not to go off on a complete tangent (I know probably too late), but Sprint and Verizon had a bit of an argument because they were both moving from a CDMA network to a GSM network with LTE and WiMax. Now I agree that it may still just be an evolution of what's out there now, but it still is closer to 4G than HSPA+ (I know AT&T and T-Mobile got them to balk on that as well).

 

[Eric Kane]

You know what I find kind of odd? Panda swears there's nothing wrong with the phone. I believe him. From what I heard, it's not a testing issue, either. So if that really is the case, all this could potentially be a few guys in a room going "Uhhh...let's wait" and "Uhhh...let's launch it" back and forth. Oh what I would pay to be a fly on the wall just to witness a launch like this, or witness pure stupidity. Or both.

 

[VideoEngineerAJS]

You know what I find kind of odd? Panda swears there's nothing wrong with the phone. I believe him. From what I heard, it's not a testing issue, either. So if that really is the case, all this could potentially be a few guys in a room going "Uhhh...let's wait" and "Uhhh...let's launch it" back and forth. Oh what I would pay to be a fly on the wall just to witness a launch like this, or witness pure stupidity. Or both.

And BMX should know, he's got one and has been using it. Heck, even P3Droid has one. I would be really upset if Verizon really is just waiting because the Razr sales haven't been up to expectations. Because then as much as I would hate it, I think Google would have a reason to not worry about Verizon when it comes to their Nexus phones from now on. It would suck because I don't want to go to any other carrier, but at the same time I would understand Google's position.

 

[ManBearPig618]

Panda's latest tweets make it pretty clear there is nothing wrong with the device....this is, as we have suspected all along, a buffer time to allow the RAZR and Rezound to sell.

 

[Eric Kane]

I really do think Verizon wants everyone to -think- they're having testing issues to cover up for their intent on marketing the Razr and Rezound so heavily. That would be my guess on where the rumors are coming from; internally.

 

[VideoEngineerAJS]

I really do think Verizon wants everyone to -think- they're having testing issues to cover up for their intent on marketing the Razr and Rezound so heavily. That would be my guess on where the rumors are coming from; internally.

Well and that would be why even the rumors don't make sense. Like Droid Life keeps pushing the 19th testing deadline date. That doesn't make sense. Why would they make the 19th (a Saturday) the deadline for testing? The guys at the top making the decisions are not going to be in the office on a Saturday, so why make the deadline a Saturday? It just doesn't make sense whatsoever.

 

[Stang68]

Panda's latest tweets make it pretty clear there is nothing wrong with the device....this is, as we have suspected all along, a buffer time to allow the RAZR and Rezound to sell.

So releasing it web-only on Monday for us nerds wouldn't hurt any RAZR or Rezound sales. Please, Verizon?

 

[Premium1]

Well and that would be why even the rumors don't make sense. Like Droid Life keeps pushing the 19th testing deadline date. That doesn't make sense. Why would they make the 19th (a Saturday) the deadline for testing? The guys at the top making the decisions are not going to be in the office on a Saturday, so why make the deadline a Saturday? It just doesn't make sense whatsoever.

They have been told every day in nov so they just post everything they hear. I mean they are about getting hits and getting more money and that is the best way to do it. Their sources have been off so many times with the nexus that I do not put stock into anything they say anymore. Hopefully the madness will end soon so we can all have our nexus and not have to worry about this.

 

[Premium1]

So releasing it web-only on Monday for us nerds wouldn't hurt any RAZR or Rezound sales. Please, Verizon?

A web only release wouldn't hurt the sales of either of those since most go in store to buy and would never know the nexus even existed, and would buy another phone in store. Plus those who want the nexus are a minority so why not just release it verizon.

 

[obi5683]

No, we are not saying the same thing.

You said current 4G is...not. I am saying according to the ITU, it is. The ITU is gospel on this. Whether they change their minds or not...it still stands. Today's 4G is now considered to be true 4G.

The ITU never said that the current networks were 4G. They said that the 4G label may be applied to these networks.

Following a detailed evaluation against stringent technical and operational criteria, ITU has determined that ?LTE-Advanced? and ?WirelessMAN-Advanced? should be accorded the official designation of IMT-Advanced. As the most advanced technologies currently defined for global wireless mobile broadband communications, IMT-Advanced is considered as ?4G?, although it is recognized that this term, while undefined, may also be applied to the forerunners of these technologies, LTE and WiMax, and to other evolved 3G technologies providing a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed.

 

[Adrynalyne]

The ITU never said that the current networks were 4G. They said that the 4G label may be applied to these networks.

Following a detailed evaluation against stringent technical and operational criteria, ITU has determined that ?LTE-Advanced? and ?WirelessMAN-Advanced? should be accorded the official designation of IMT-Advanced. As the most advanced technologies currently defined for global wireless mobile broadband communications, IMT-Advanced is considered as ?4G?, although it is recognized that this term, while undefined, may also be applied to the forerunners of these technologies, LTE and WiMax, and to other evolved 3G technologies providing a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed.

So you are saying the ITU says that current networks can be called 4G. But you are saying the ITU means they are not 4G. So its 4G, but not.


Got it.

 

[Iceman0803]

The ITU never said that the current networks were 4G. They said that the 4G label may be applied to these networks.

Following a detailed evaluation against stringent technical and operational criteria, ITU has determined that ?LTE-Advanced? and ?WirelessMAN-Advanced? should be accorded the official designation of IMT-Advanced. As the most advanced technologies currently defined for global wireless mobile broadband communications, IMT-Advanced is considered as ?4G?, although it is recognized that this term, while undefined, may also be applied to the forerunners of these technologies, LTE and WiMax, and to other evolved 3G technologies providing a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed.

So you are saying the ITU says that current networks can be called 4G. But you are saying the ITU means they are not 4G. So its 4G, but not.


Got it.

Can we (those of us who are participating in the thread topic) have our thread back please?