A big Nexus 6 might be a big mistake for Google

[ultravisitor]

I never said anything about the Galaxy Nexus in my post

You said "all the previous Nexus phones". The Galaxy Nexus was one of the Nexus phones that preceded the Nexus 6.

but since you brought it up and have a link that helps proove my point..

"It's $299 on contract (and you can find it some places for less)"

That's all of them and they all could be had for much cheaper then the Nexus 6.

Um, DUH. The point is that history has shown us that more often than not, the Nexus phones have been priced in accordance with the rest of the marketplace. The Nexus One and the Nexus S could be had for much cheaper than the Nexus 6? NO DUH. Phone prices have gone up since those two phones! At the time, the actual cost for them was just about the same as everything else! Again: the Droid X launched at $569. Obviously, the Nexus One and Nexus S were not priced out of line when compared to that.

And if you're going to be bringing on contract prices into the picture because you ridiculously think that somehow proves your point about the Nexus 6 being priced way out of line, then need I remind you that the Nexus 6 will also be sold on contract through carriers? We have yet to learn the on contract prices for the Nexus 6. The link I provided proves my point. Not yours.

 

[ultravisitor]

Just change "All" to "Most" in my sentence if that really bothers you so much.

And you'd still be wrong.

 

[deesugar]

I'm wrong for wording something a certain way. Nexus phones have been cheap enough in the past for getting a reputation for it. With the Nexus 6 Google is taking a departure from that and I think they are wrong.

But I gave a lot of other reasons for the Nexus 6 facing a tough future further up in this thread but you just latched on to one petty thing.

Unfortunately there are some people who live in a bubble on this site and take it personally when anything negative is brought up about a device they like. It's sad because when people speak up about the problems they see in a device they like and are more vocal about it, the more likely something might change. People in the industry read forums like this and there is a history of changes being made because of these forums.

You want to defend that $650 is a fair and reasonable price that you want to pay for the Nexus 6? Fine. I think they should, could and probably will realize that was a mistake.

 

[ultravisitor]

But I gave a lot of other reasons for the Nexus 6 facing a tough future further up in this thread but you just latched on to one petty thing.

Your "a lot of other reasons" in the post I responded to was just two other reasons. If you want me to respond to those:

1. Google Play Editions? Okay. GPE phones are not new. Why complain now? The GPE phones are options for those who want Google's vision for Android software but who want the hardware of other phones in the market. If anything, the GPE phones will matter less to most people because the Nexus 6 will be sold on contract through the carriers.
2. Sure it is. But Android is about choice. The Nexus is just one of those choices. Can you point out where somebody from Google said that everybody should have a Nexus phone? Google is simply offering a reference device for software. It actually makes sense that as the OEM's phones have grown, so has Google's reference device.

Again, $650 is entirely reasonable given the history of the Nexus phones, the actual cost of like phones in the marketplace, and the fact that the Nexus 6 will be sold on contract. That last point is particularly important as previously, none of the Nexus phones have been sold on contract with as many of the carriers as the Nexus 6 will be (Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, U.S. Cellular).

This isn't personal to me. I'm just pointing out problems in your argument. Maybe you're projecting, and it's you who is taking this personally.

Your entire argument seems to be predicated on the notion that Google wants or needs the Nexus 6 to be a huge success. I'm not sure that's the case. I'm not even sure why it should matter so much to Google that the Nexus 6 be an enormous seller in the marketplace. Google is an advertising company. What they care about is whether or not people are using Android phones. They're leaving the market open to the OEMs, and it is plainly evident that the OEMs are doing fine in getting Android into the hands of millions. If Google really wanted the Nexus 6 to be an enormous seller, don't you think that they would offer the Nexus 6 in a smaller size or offer more Nexus phones? They're certainly in the position to do so.

Maybe you should spend more time trying to prove that Google wants and/or needs the Nexus 6 to be the big seller that you think it should be. After you've proven that, then it might make sense for you to argue whether or not the Nexus 6 actually will be successful.

 

[A895]

The entitlement is through the roof in this thread.

 

[tartrate]

Stupid sensationalist headings are abound. Do your own investigation and do your own thinking. Too much trashy writing these days.

 

[dhc8guru]

It is not in the interest of Google to have big sales of compete with other manufacturer. The key for their profit is to have good relations with other OEMs and if they compete in sale number it would be bad for their business model. Some people think Google sold Motorola because they weren't profiting and I think that's wrong, Google is not interested in profiting from hardware, they would have sold Motorola regardless, they just bought them for the patents. Primarily they are an ads company. Nexus sale numbers aren't important to them, but what is important is control the quality of Android ecosystem and getting the latest Android version out there for consumers, who can more easily utilize their (ads) services and buy their contents.

I would say that this move by Google blows your theory and also Google's previous standpoint on there phones.

Nexus joins the big leagues with premium devices and carrier backing | Android Central

 

[Premium1]

Interesting article:

A big Nexus 6 might be a big mistake for Google - SlashGear

Google has never cared about how many devices it sells. It is not a hardware company, google is first and foremost a software and services company. They just want more people having access to their apps whether it be on android or IOS. The price is fine, not to mention they are still selling the nexus 5 to fill the smaller, lower price point. I think the nexus is becoming more of the "android silver" that was rumored awhile back. High end, not cutting any corners.
Not to mention it is on VERIZON, yes VERIZON. No longer do you get a second rate nexus with sub par radios, screen and camera (galaxy nexus) that alone makes it worth the price at least to me. Not to mention it being a nexus means it will have an easy to unlock boot loader (just like the galaxy nexus on verizon had) so that if updates don't come at the same time you can root, and side load the updates.

 

[Premium1]

Yes, it's $250 more then last years Nexus, $350 more then the Nexus 4 when it launched, $200 more then the Galaxy Nexus when it launched.

And since you're being a nit picker the Nexus One and the Nexus S was $180 with a two year contract with T-Mobile. So yes I'm sure about that

"The Nexus 6 undercuts nothing. In fact, the Nexus 6 is being undercut by the Moto X, which is largely the same phone—with less turbo-charged specs, in a more manageable 5.2-inch package—that starts at $500 off contract. Even if you make the argument that more display automatically equals better, and even with the bonus RAM, the Nexus 6 still represents a substantial markup, and comes without some Moto-exclusive software benefits or the fine-tuned customization of Moto Maker."

More ram, better, larger screen, better newer camera sensor, battery and the latest processor from qualcomm make for the markup.

 

[j_grouchy]

This pretty much decides it for me...the Nexus 6 isn't even an option for me. The Note is already just outside the upper limit of what I'd be willing to carry. The N6 blows right past that, even bigger than the iPhone 6+...



Google Nexus 6 vs Samsung Galaxy Note 4 - Visual phone size compare

 

[rews]

This pretty much decides it for me...the Nexus 6 isn't even an option for me. The Note is already just outside the upper limit of what I'd be willing to carry. The N6 blows right past that, even bigger than the iPhone 6+...

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Google Nexus 6 vs Samsung Galaxy Note 4 - Visual phone size compare

I know right, it's bordering on crazy. I can't do it, I'll be looking at the spring 2015 releases