A Useless Thread.

[OperationA7X]

Amazing. Except for occasional problems, we here in the Vivid section seemed to have helped those with an HTC Vivid or they have moved on to a better (performance wise) phone. It feels odd though, I made this account last year to help those with issues with their Vivids and with all of the forums helping one another, we did just that. Now I feel bored because we fixed most of the problems or helped the newbies with modding their phones. I shouldn't be complaining, but it's too easy nowadays, don't you agree?

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[KurtTX]

I suppose since we move farther away from when the Vivid was being sold, fewer situations will come up. People will either use the phone as-is stock (that's me), will have them modded as you suggest, or have dropped the phone totally and moved to something "shinier". I suppose as people recycle their phones, a new-to-them owner will need your help!

Kurt

 

[OperationA7X]

I guess you're right, it's just sad that...you still wanna be stock.

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[KurtTX]

Well, I have my reasons. I used to be pretty good with the old PC operating systems and hardware...I didn't have any issues getting inside and changing things. Then the hardware side got more complicated and the software did too, but now days things are pretty much plug-n-play. I still pretty good with using the software to my benefit.

As to the phones, I can't really get my head around the OS, the file structure...you guys are talking about RUU, custom ROMs, etc. Way over my head. Plus another issue would be that my parents just moved from a flip-phone to a Samsung SIII with JB. At this point, I can help them out because we're both stock, even though I'm ICS. If I were to migrate away from stock, I'd have a harder time supporting them over the phone when they had problems.

Kurt

 

[OperationA7X]

But there are ROMs that are modded but have the stock look about them.

No one can force you to mod, I was hoping you would. A few developers fixed that awful boot up "optimization" by forcing the Dalvik-cache to never erase. And most also have the Wi-Fi hotspot unlocked.

Stuff like this tempted me, so I went for it!

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[OperationA7X]

Another side note: you've been here longer than me, correct?

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[KurtTX]

Another side note: you've been here longer than me, correct?

Yes, barely. I joined the forum shorty after getting my Vivid and I was having issues. Now, on my 3rd Vivid since joining, I've been stable enough and have settled into the phone as-is. It does what I need...certainly more than the flip-phone I had! I'm not a phone-aholic, so my battery lasts nearly 2 days. It does what I need...for now.

Kurt

 

[OperationA7X]

Yes, barely. I joined the forum shorty after getting my Vivid and I was having issues. Now, on my 3rd Vivid since joining, I've been stable enough and have settled into the phone as-is. It does what I need...certainly more than the flip-phone I had! I'm not a phone-aholic, so my battery lasts nearly 2 days. It does what I need...for now.

Kurt

Haha, fair enough. The only real complaint I have of HTC is battery capacity. 1620 mAh for an LTE device!? I hated the stock battery because since I'm a phone-aholic, my battery would only last for 4-6 hours max. But since getting an extended battery (I now own 2), my battery life is perfect for me and I couldn't be happier. 3500 mAh > 1620 mAh. Just saying.

Do you use the WiFi Hotspot on your phone at all or no?

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[KurtTX]

Do you use the WiFi Hotspot on your phone at all or no?

If I didn't have the otter box on this thing, I'd probably have an extra battery so I could swap out. I did that on my flip-phone and thought that was a good idea...always have something charged and ready to go.

I only recently began to use my phone as a hotspot. Actually, I had an issue with the feature and after talking to the service people, it seems the only thing I could do was a factory reset. Bummer. But after doing that, I reestablished my server name and login information, and now it works fine. I'm usually around existing WiFi, so I hook my laptops to that. But sometimes on travel, in the middle of nowhere, I've used the phone and was pleased with the throughput. I haven't used it enough to get a handle on the battery drain, though.

Kurt

 

[OperationA7X]

The battery drain isn't as bad as one would think. The real battery drainer is the LTE. They finally got a tower in the Fresno/Clovis area, and I love the speeds, but that's what drains my phone the most. I use the Wifi hotspot on my phone just so when I'm at home, my tablet can connect. My Vivid is literally the only internet I have, so being able to tether and create a hotspot for my electronics is a must.

Did you use an app for yours, pay for it through AT&T, or unlock it yourself?

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[vividrich]

I've been tempted to root simply to get rid of that stupid cache rebuild. I have over a year left on contract and I really like the phone except for that. But haven't really looked to deeply into it. I do like Sense so if I root I'd want a sense based rom. But a lot of it is foreign to me. Battery is ok for me, of course I have a charger at work. On Wi-Fi I'm happy with the battery. LTE... wow it's hungry!



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[OperationA7X]

It's not an easy problem that can get fixed with root...can it? You might be able to, you just have to tell the OS to "Do not delete Dalvik-cache."

I just the easy way out and ROMmed out.

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[KurtTX]

Did you use an app for yours, pay for it through AT&T, or unlock it yourself?

I just use the phone features which I guess I'm paying AT&T for. I'm on a family plan, so it's not that big of a hit.

Kurt

 

[OperationA7X]

Huh. If you use the stock WiFi Hotspot app while the phone is stock, it says you need to be upgraded to the highest data plan to use. But I'm guessing you already did that to use yours. Mine was I just had to edit a file and I had it for free with my current data plan.

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[vividrich]

No I meant root and flash a sensi-fied rom I've tried other launchers and find I actually like Sense; 3.6 is a nice step up from what I had on my Froyo-equipped Aria. I like Sense 4 (my wife has that on her One VX) as well. Maybe this summer I can look more seriously into it.

 

[OperationA7X]

I liked Sense 4, but I'm in love with 3.5/3.6, turns out I don't want AOSP as badly as I had once thought.

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[bruce7373]

My understanding is that, even if you root and use an app, if you tether, AT&T can still nail you. If I'm wrong about that, I'd love to know. ;-)

As for the cache check, it wasn't until I changed to a JB-based ROM did it go away. Rooting alone didn't do it.

Edit: I just stumbled on this thread over at XDA if anyone is interested (post #19):

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1654464
android is optimizing applications every reboot?

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[OperationA7X]

I've been using the stock WiFi Hotspot on AT&T since last July. No increase in phone bill, no warning, nothing. So I think what you're saying is just hype to scare the little kiddies. They already have CISPA, let's not toy with them anymore.

AT&T frowns upon using it for free, but as long as you're still paying your bill and staying within your data limit, they don't care. Both Tethering and using the WiFi Hotspot. I don't use any special app to do it either, just plug in my phone into my laptop or desktop, select "USB Tether" and done.

If you got some sources, I'd really love to watch/read them.

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[bruce7373]

After reading some anecdotal posts in other threads, the prevailing wisdom is what you've experienced - - even though AT&T can technically charge for tethering/hot spots, chances are they won't as long as the user doesn't abuse the practice.

I suspect this might be for a couple of reasons: 1) the ruling against Verizon wrt adding tethering charges must give them pause; and 2) now that AT&T has done away with Unlimited data plans, they stand to make $$ from those willing to pay for extra data. IIRC, AT&T originally stated that giving free reign to tethering would burden their network too much. But I think that's been pretty much discounted.

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[OperationA7X]

"Bandwidth limit" has always been a wives tale, it's just easier to make money with data caps.

Also, carriers make the most money off of unlimited text messaging plans.

Let's say someone pays $5 a month for unlimited texting. You think "Hey, I'm getting a really great deal, how does the carrier get money off of this?" But in reality, it literally costs 1/1000th of a cent per message. In order to get your money's worth, you'd have to send 500,000 text messages a month. I'll find the article if I can.

But anyone who actually believes that any MAJOR carrier has bandwidth issues must learn to understand that that is false in the long run.

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