My question is everyone was expecting a different processor, and now that we have this 'A15 Eagle processor' does that mean we still have a good processor or not?
A15 Eagle processor
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we have the best processor in the current market which is good for 2 years. processor game never stops. there is always better coming every year.
Not only was everyone expecting the Exynos, but a lot of tech sites are reporting that it has the Exynos... whoops
C'mon Theo. In the time it took you to post that half-ass question, you could of done a Google search on the processor(like I did) and realized the A15 is the shizzzz.
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Considering that Samsung only makes one Dual-core A15-based SoC, and they call it the Exynos 5 Dual, then it's called an Exynos. It's not being reported wrong.
As far as power, sure it's powerful, but not more so than the new Snapdragon S4 Pro (quad-core). Per core performance might be a little better (going to have to wait to see for sure), but in terms of total chip performance the Qualcomm beats it. Exynos will probably have a GPU advantage, and maybe battery life, but overall it's not the fastest.
Again, if we're talking per-core performance then yes, it's probably the fastest.
As far as power, sure it's powerful, but not more so than the new Snapdragon S4 Pro (quad-core). Per core performance might be a little better (going to have to wait to see for sure), but in terms of total chip performance the Qualcomm beats it. Exynos will probably have a GPU advantage, and maybe battery life, but overall it's not the fastest.
Again, if we're talking per-core performance then yes, it's probably the fastest.
I promise you I did at least a little, but I didn't really pull up anything I felt was relevant. I'm just anxious to game on the tablet really, all the social media and basic stuff I can do with my phone.
Two cores are a must as you have OS processes and apps running at the same time but are there really any apps that are multi-threaded to use multiple cores for for a single app? I highly doubt it and although Android does multitask well the nature of the interface limits how much you really do at a single time as you can really only work in 1 app at a time. There may be some games that are multi-threaded but I'll be the A15 will put the Tegra 3 to shame on these. Sure you can have music playing, GPS tracking, or downloads going on in the back ground but these are very basic tasks that don't require much for resources. It's not like a workstation where you may be doing real work in many apps at once or where some powerhouse apps are multi-threaded.
Don't get too carried away with quad-core. It's more of a marketing thing then a real advantage on a tablet. I'll take the newer faster architecture with dual cores over the older quad-core any day!
Don't get too carried away with quad-core. It's more of a marketing thing then a real advantage on a tablet. I'll take the newer faster architecture with dual cores over the older quad-core any day!
Thanks - wherever I saw that it was made my TI must have been wrong as I can't find much to support that.
I get most of my info from this site.. and one moderator is calling it "Exynos 5 Dual" , and the main site is calling it Exynos 4.. So I don't think it can be both just trying to find out which one it is.
It's not that hard to figure out that "Exynos 4" was a mistake/typo. Google's own site doesn't say Exynos 5 but it DOES say
"CPU/GPU
CPU: Dual-core A15
GPU: Mali T604"
Considering the Exynos 4 doesn't come with the Mali T604 and it's also A9 and not A15...what do you think the answer is?
Ok, so now that we actually have a verbal confirmation as to what the processor is which processor is the better choice between the 'Exynos 5' and 'A15 Eagle'. Either way, I think the Nexus 10 is an excellent product and Google put some careful thought in planning into the Nexus family line that they're pushing out. This will be the first tablet I ever purchase for myself, and I'm also curious about the fact since were in the holiday season are they planning to bundle the tablet with a free cover like the one in the video or any other cool accessory.
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LOL @ me getting "caught up" in quad-core. I'm all about newer architectures and doing more with less. But you can't run Tegrazone stuff on a non-Tegra chip (and anybody or anything that says they can are wrong). Tegrazone games look noticeably better than the non-Tegra version, even when the non-Tegra version is ran on superior hardware. This goes to back to software optimization. With Tegra specific apps and games, they have one hardware target, and can therefor optimize for it heavily. For the non-Tegra version they have to go with the lowest common denominator. So even though the S4 Pro is much faster than every other chip on the market doesn't mean that games are going to look that much better than they do on anything else.
ARM just confirmed the code name for the A15 processor core. It's still the SAMSUNG Exynos 5250 Dual with Mali 604 GPU. This chips with it's true Dual Core A15 Eagle processors wipes the floor with any wantabee pretend A15 and here's the reasons why. First and foremost, is that it doesn't just run the ARM Instruction Sets. It's the core design itself, that incorporates the latest ARM Features, that include; Hardware Virtualization, with it's own bare metal hypervisor embedded in the core based on Linux. That doesn't mean it can't be changed to Xvisor either. But they all will support Para Virtualization. Which is what you want so that an OS that has a driver for the chip (only Linux, Chrome OS and Android so far) for the GPU or CPU, then that's less you have to Virtualize. Which will then make it run near native speeds. There is already work being done to support a Windows Port or at least install-able App/Program Modules w/bare essential OS support, so it doesn't tax the 2GB LPDDR3 installed as PoP (package on package) over or under back side of the SoC board.
The memory Bandwidth alone is 12.8GBps. Which is amazing for a mobile device. The Memory architecture and controller were designed by Rambus in an ARM/SAMSUNG partnership. Samsung owns part of Rambus and they are responsible for the incredible 25.6GBps XDR Memory Bandwidth on Sony PS3's. The Quadcore version of this Exynos chip matches the 25.6GBps of PS3 on a mobile chip!!! ....this is a major step, because A15 was originally designed for Servers and in fact even AMD will be using these in tandem with their own chips in server racks. ARM is already having A15 SoC processor installed into server racks right now.
The major difference between these wantabee A15 Eagles in Qualcomm and Apple's SoC processors is that they have USB 3.0 Support built in and these others aren't touting either of these two features. But we're only grazing the tip of the ARM Iceberg, that could in coming generations sink the Titanic Chip Maker..... Intel. This dual core right now can outperform i3 and i5's with it's full OpenCL support running on Mali 604 GPU. The GPU is equivalent or better than a Intel HD 4000 iGPU and in a Mali 604x2, you are rocking the equivalent of a AMD 6000 series GPU. Remember too that this Exynos has not yet been fully optimized on Android yet. Expect battery life to increase and compute power to increase as well when they get this running up to speed.
Anyway when this chip gets fully optimized, and programs/Apps get written to specifically take advantage of this brand new chip architecture, we are going to have one helluva hand held computer!!!
They all Linux
things like drivers are integral part of Linux kernel, so all things that are in mainline Linux can be done on any other linux kernel based on it.Speaking of which ARM virtualisation will be included yet to be relesed Linux 3.7 with Xen virtualization system for ARM
[Phoronix] The Most Interesting Features Of The Linux 3.7 Kernel
There also KVM virtualization system (the one that Android emulator uses and the one that is better imo) is coming but not in 3.7 (maybe 3.8?)
[Phoronix] KVM Virtualization Support For ARM
Ofcorse if manufacture or distribution developer and also user (depending on distribution) want to include those feature in ealiers kernels that possibile to patch it up, but it's not like Linux fully support it yet
I also wonder what it is useful for mobile phones and tablets other then maniacs playing with it to run 2 systems at once, it may also used by manufactures to lock you up in hypervised system PS3-style which does not need to be good thing. Hmmmm, maybe running desktop Linux on TV like some other manufactures do already but on top of kernel that is running Android?
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