Alternative Camera?

[LeoRex]

Then there's no use.

The whole point of that photograph, the reason the person took the shot, was to show that stunning landscape.. and landscape which you can't see in the non-HDR+ pic. I understand it is subjective.... but the reason the people are brighter in the top is that they are washed out... if you isolate the people, they are brighter because of the overloaded exposure.

If the top is the kind of picture you want... then not sure what use HDR of any kind will be to you.

 

[srkmagnus]

Nope, LCamera: https://github.com/PkmX/lcamera/releases

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Is that app not available in the Play Store? Didn't see it.

Would be nice for the OP to get it there so that updates can be done straight through there without having to side load the .apk package every time.

 

[LeoRex]

Its only a dev project... available from GitHub. It's really just an alpha build to test out the new camera API. It lacks a bunch of features and most likely wouldn't work as an every day camera for most everyone.

A few of the cameras are incorporating the new API... A Better Camera, Camera FV-5... two I know of for sure. But its still in the early stages... ABC has focusing issues and FV-5 has exposure and WB bugs.

 

[Benjamin_NYC]

Then there's no use.

The whole point of that photograph, the reason the person took the shot, was to show that stunning landscape.. and landscape which you can't see in the non-HDR+ pic. I understand it is subjective.... but the reason the people are brighter in the top is that they are washed out... if you isolate the people, they are brighter because of the overloaded exposure.

If the top is the kind of picture you want... then not sure what use HDR of any kind will be to you.

Right. They're washed out in the non HDR pic, and they're too dark in the HDR pic. The Nexis 6 camera failed in both instances.

The "point", as you say, would be to develop a camera that does not fail. The N6 camera fails, as evidenced by the poor pictures on display in this forum.

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[Benjamin_NYC]

Its only a dev project... available from GitHub. It's really just an alpha build to test out the new camera API. It lacks a bunch of features and most likely wouldn't work as an every day camera for most everyone.

A few of the cameras are incorporating the new API... A Better Camera, Camera FV-5... two I know of for sure. But its still in the early stages... ABC has focusing issues and FV-5 has exposure and WB bugs.

All these people should save themselves a lot of trouble and just copy the iPhone camera, which, for all intents and purposes, is perfect.

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[Jeremy8000]

If you want to find fault in something, you can, but always pointing out what you perceive as weaknesses without acknowledging strengths - particularly on a phone whose camera has been widely credited as having many - could jeopardize the level to which people read your comments seriously as opposed to taking the perception that you might be just 'hating' on the phone. I'm sure you've found some aspects of the phone's performance to be 'good' in performance, especially if you've viewed any reviews that compare its photos shot-for-shot with those of other phones, and am curious what aspects you find the phone camera to be successful, given that no phone will match the performance of a DSLR...

Regarding the aforementioned mountain shots, declaring them both as failures without providing context of a successful shot of the same image isn't balanced.

"My Nexus 6 screen is tiny (compared to my Nexus 10)!" "My Nexus 6 screen is huge (compared to my Nexus 4)!" Both of those statements are accurate, separately and together, when the parenthetical text is included. Without that information, they appear contradictory and give little value in a discussion.

I haven't seen an in-depth review of that type yet, by any reviewer (not going to include generalized forum posts as there are too many people who refuse to be at all objective on the points that aren't subjective) that claims one phone to be superior to all others in every aspect of photography. In other words, one man's trash is another man's treasure.

All these people should save themselves a lot of trouble and just copy the iPhone camera, which, for all intents and purposes, is perfect.

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Too many ways for me to argue in favor of the Nexus 6 over the iPhone 6 Plus in the picture at bottom of this post, taken from the video indicated, to say that the iPhone camera is perfect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9bpqgitEyA

 

[Benjamin_NYC]

If you want to find fault in something, you can, but always pointing out what you perceive as weaknesses without acknowledging strengths - particularly on a phone whose camera has been widely credited as having many - could jeopardize the level to which people read your comments seriously as opposed to taking the perception that you might be just 'hating' on the phone. I'm sure you've found some aspects of the phone's performance to be 'good' in performance, especially if you've viewed any reviews that compare its photos shot-for-shot with those of other phones, and am curious what aspects you find the phone camera to be successful, given that no phone will match the performance of a DSLR...

Regarding the aforementioned mountain shots, declaring them both as failures without providing context of a successful shot of the same image isn't balanced.

"My Nexus 6 screen is tiny (compared to my Nexus 10)!" "My Nexus 6 screen is huge (compared to my Nexus 4)!" Both of those statements are accurate, separately and together, when the parenthetical text is included. Without that information, they appear contradictory and give little value in a discussion.

I haven't seen an in-depth review of that type yet, by any reviewer (not going to include generalized forum posts as there are too many people who refuse to be at all objective on the points that aren't subjective) that claims one phone to be superior to all others in every aspect of photography. In other words, one man's trash is another man's treasure.



Too many ways for me to argue in favor of the Nexus 6 over the iPhone 6 Plus in the picture at bottom of this post, taken from the video indicated, to say that the iPhone camera is perfect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9bpqgitEyA

I can't fathom what this soliloquy was about, but there are many things I think are good on the N6. The camera isn't one of them. It sucks. End of story.

I can't see your picture because I'm dealing with 1G speed at best right now. But the iPhone has a better all around camera. Maybe some speciality needs are better met by the N6, but the iPhone has the best simple point and shoot. Apple has mastered that.

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[Benjamin_NYC]

In the example you've managed to find the N6 shot is better. The N6 is atrocious at inside shots, and that's where most "social" shots take place. But I'll bring my N6 next time I want to photograph flowers outside on a sunny day.

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[Jeremy8000]

All these people should save themselves a lot of trouble and just copy the iPhone camera, which, for all intents and purposes, is perfect.

...on the N6. The camera ... sucks. End of story.

In the example you've managed to find the N6 shot is better.

Reading things in context is a beautiful thing. It's best not to speak in absolutes if you're going to acknowledge contrary evidence later. There are ways in which the camera of the iPhone is superior to the Nexus 6, and ways in which the camera of the Nexus 6 is superior to the iPhone. Outdoors and indoors.

In the end, each has their strengths. But on point of this thread, we're still in the earliest stages of developers having greater access to improve performance of the Nexus 6 (and Google integrating some of those improvements to the stock app) with the new API. Given the improvements derived with it over the old stock peformance of the Nexus 5, I'm truly excited in anticipation of what might come about for the Nexus 6, given that it is already clearly competitive.

 

[Benjamin_NYC]

Reading things in context is a beautiful thing. It's best not to speak in absolutes if you're going to acknowledge contrary evidence later. There are ways in which the camera of the iPhone is superior to the Nexus 6, and ways in which the camera of the Nexus 6 is superior to the iPhone. Outdoors and indoors.

In the end, each has their strengths. But on point of this thread, we're still in the earliest stages of developers having greater access to improve performance of the Nexus 6 (and Google integrating some of those improvements to the stock app) with the new API. Given the improvements derived with it over the old stock peformance of the Nexus 5, I'm truly excited in anticipation of what might come about for the Nexus 6, given that it is already clearly competitive.

No. There may be points where the N6 camera is better and points where the iP6 camera exceeds.

However, overall, there is a winner. Just because the N6 may have advantages under certain ideal conditions does not mean that the iP6 is not the OVERALL superior camera.

Also don't care that they're in the early stages of bla, bla, bla. Not my problem. They made an inferior camera.

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[LeoRex]

Right. They're washed out in the non HDR pic, and they're too dark in the HDR pic. The Nexis 6 camera failed in both instances.

Then we'll agree to disagree... I don't consider the subjects too dark... I just see two people with the light to their back.

 

[Jeremy8000]

No. There may be points where the N6 camera is better and points where the iP6 camera exceeds.

However, overall, there is a winner. Just because the N6 may have advantages under certain ideal conditions does not mean that the iP6 is not the OVERALL superior camera.

Also don't care that they're in the early stages of bla, bla, bla. Not my problem. They made an inferior camera.

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So long as nobody's pouring nothing but vinegar on a perfectly palatable performance ;-)

And I'd agree that the iPhone 6+ has a better camera - overall, it's easy to argue that it's the best on the market. But being 'inferior' to #1 (and IMHO it's not by much) hardly means that it "sucks."

But it's worth noting that the cameras both use top-end sensors. Where Apple has excelled is in the software managing it, software for which there is currently nothing on which to base speculation of their driving substantial improvement; Google's release of the API, however, has already demonstrated enormous headroom for enhanced performance in early work by some developers, so, if you choose to keep your Nexus 6, hopefully in the coming months you might be able to look back and reminisce about the 'old days' when it was overall a lesser camera. Something to look forward to with all Android OS devices that are now seeing, or will see, Lollipop.

 

[Benjamin_NYC]

So long as nobody's pouring nothing but vinegar on a perfectly palatable performance ;-)

And I'd agree that the iPhone 6+ has a better camera - overall, it's easy to argue that it's the best on the market. But being 'inferior' to #1 (and IMHO it's not by much) hardly means that it "sucks."

But it's worth noting that the cameras both use top-end sensors. Where Apple has excelled is in the software managing it, software for which there is currently nothing on which to base speculation of their driving substantial improvement; Google's release of the API, however, has already demonstrated enormous headroom for enhanced performance in early work by some developers, so, if you choose to keep your Nexus 6, hopefully in the coming months you might be able to look back and reminisce about the 'old days' when it was overall a lesser camera. Something to look forward to with all Android OS devices that are now seeing, or will see, Lollipop.

OK looking forward to improvements. Merry Christmas!

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[Benjamin_NYC]

I would like to say that I spent some serious time with HDR+ at Christmas dinner last night, and I stand corrected. It's takes outstanding low light shots.

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[edgefever]

I would like to say that I spent some serious time with HDR+ at Christmas dinner last night, and I stand corrected. It's takes outstanding low light shots.

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We already know that...pay attention

 

[LeoRex]

We already know that...pay attention

Hey now... don't get fiesty...