apps seem to auto open

[adammcgovern]

No bud, you either misunderstood me or just chose to twist my words. First off, that is why I choose to modify my device. It becomes evident pretty quickly after you first boot up your phone that the manufacturer and the carrier figure they're gonna help you out, you know, get you started and install no small number of applications that, for the most part, you can't uninstall. If you are lucky enough to have a recent build you may be able to disable some apps, but that doesn't address the space issue. But honestly some people are perfectly content with bloat. I don't hold that against anyone. After all, it's theirs not mine. There's really no need to get snarky though and misrepresent my words. I certainly wasn't towards you. Believe me when I tell you that I've seen, first hand, some of the problems in this world and I'm pretty certain that rooting a phone is not the answer. I'll simplify my perspective.... What never ceases to amaze me is when people complain about how there's all this stuff running on their phone that shouldn't be because they didn't expressly initiate app x or process y. And without taking some time to understand why this is happening or how the OS is meant to run they decide to download ATK or whatever pops up first in the market and start randomly killing everything only to have it start back up time and time again. Then it snowballs into "why is this phone so slow" or "why does _____ keep crashing on me". I'm not implying you are that person, but there's no shortage of threads with this issue. I had questions at first too, but I've definitely put a lot of effort into figuring out things for myself and helping others when I could. You're entitled to your opinion and managing your phone as you see fit and we can disagree but I just think discussions are more productive when space that is dedicated to sarcasm is used for something more productive

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[bigtroutz]

sorry, Diknak, but the apps I want to kill are NOT generally those that will reload. They include a large number of apps that have no exit/close button, etc. for instance that I use once every week or so.... Absolutely no point in having those stay open so the next time i use them they will load faster since they wont be around anyway, having been swapped out for some other process/app by the time I may use them again a week or two later. As for those that open to sync, serve ads, etc., that's kind of pointless since I shutdown my wireless when I don't need it or the sync when I don't want that to occur either - and both of those shutdowns save a MUCH larger amount of battery life than "efficient memory and CPU operations".

It's really simple - I want the OS and computer to operate the way I want it to and I install apps that let me do that. As a matter of fact, very few apps I kill ever load again until I execute them on purpose. I don't need to run the auto-killer much (after I winnow the crap), I just go in there manually and stop the apps I have left that are poorly behaved or do not close properly. But it IS a useful tool and nice to run sometimes.

 

[bigtroutz]

I think we are mostly on the same page, gov. Yes, blindly running an auto task killer 24/7 forever thinking it will remediate bad choices in apps or obviate the need to understand how your device functions is not a good idea. However, it is clear to me that there IS a need at times for task killers, apps like Adblock Plus, etc, that some opine should not be used or available. I don't see anything wrong with using non-optimal apps when you need them, nor rooting your device as the optimal mode to gain better systems integration into a device that meets your needs.

But there is no excuse for developing so many apps that have no close/exit button (like Chrome). A browser has zero need to be running processes in the background for instance, unless it is being nosy. You will note that Dolphin and Firefox both have an exit button for some strange reason. This is my biggest problem with Android - it's the wild wild west of apps with applications not needing background processes having them anyway because it's cool perhaps. And there is no way to control that behavior provided by the OS.

An analogous situation in Windows are the autostart tray apps. Every tomdickandharry wants to load something there but in windows there are plenty of tools provided to zap those, an editable msconfig file, task manager and registry if required. No such tools are available in Android or at least the N7 version, so I must use task killers or even auto task killers to make up for that deficiency.

 

[retsaw]

And retsaw, that wasn't any argument from popularity, but rather confirmation that the need exists and is not anything outlandish or unusual. Android has a flaw and millions of people have identified it.
Or do you think OS programmers never make errors in judgement and execution ? Give me a break.

It was an argument from popularity. The only thing the number of downloads tells you is how many times it has been downloaded. You may be able to infer that lots of people think they need it, but it certainly doesn't mean any of them are correct in thinking that.

I don't have a problem with you arguing in favour of task killers, just so long as you don't use any bad or fallacious arguments to do so and you don't try to pass off opinion as fact.

 

[bigtroutz]

bah, everything is an opinion and nothing is fact. we perceive all thru our own personal filtered lens or have you not read Plato ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_cave

read my comment again Retsaw -- my point was NOT that they were ALL right because they use a task killer, that would be an argument from popularity - my point was that ALL of them could NOT be WRONG and therefore a negation of confirmation bias and the statistical power of probability - gawd the education level of our whippersnappers these days....

 

[retsaw]

My point was that, yes, they could all be wrong. And I don't hold the view that everything is an opinion and nothing is a fact, but I'll leave the argument there since it is off topic.

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[mr_nobody]

I want the OS and computer to operate the way I want it to

Sounds like you would be better off with windows phone since you seem to want android to operate like windows...

 

[adamfehres]

Well I uninstalled task killer today and having noticed any major difference running few games as well bard(I think) and avengers. How however I'm really enjoying the tablet when SHMBO isn't on it

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[bigtroutz]

Sounds like you would be better off with windows phone since you seem to want android to operate like windows...

Sounds like you don't think Android deserves or can handle any criticism and is perfect just the way it is. Windows with all it's bloat would bog down this tablet with it's puny amount of ram to intensive care status.

Actually, I just want Android to have the basic panoply OS utilities in it's distributions. Applications should always have basic functions like a start and close command. I have been a programmer for more than 30 years and have never seen so many apps without basic commands and settings or taking such liberties and permissions as in Android. But then I have never seen such breadth of free apps either. I like Android, it's fun seeing such wildmen programmers, but it truly is chaotic.

 

[bigtroutz]

And my point is ALL being wrong is statistically improbable. If you like I could compute that probability but it would be much less than 1%. and would be a theoretical exercise in any case.

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[bigtroutz]

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