Bad News For The M9

[SummersLastNight]

Just my two sense on cell phone cameras. The pictures from phones even with crap cameras tend to look good on other phones, social media sites, apps etc. The pictures are huge resolutions displayed on a tiny screen. Why so much fuss?

I'd snap a quick shot here and there with my phone on the go, but for photos that I want to print or blow up I'd use my DSLR.

As far as rehashing the design, it works for consumers like me. I will be making the switch from BlackBerry come mid spring and the M9 is looking great. My GF has the M8 and I like it, so why wouldn't I grab the newer one

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[Paul627g]

Wow. That is the dumbest argument against not upgrading a phone. It's a rectangular slab of metal/aluminum/plastic/etc. That's like saying "I'm not upgrading cars this year because Honda kept the radio the same." 0.o

Your blind fanboyism is making you look totally stupid.

There is no reason to make this a personal issue. Discuss, debate and give opinions but let's not sling mud at each other. It never ends well and just mucks up a thread.

Paul
Mod Team Leader @ AC

 

[smooth3006]

The S6 camera is better than the Note 4s according to the keynote

most people do not buy a phone just based on a camera smooth.

 

[smooth4lyfe]

most people do not buy a phone just based on a camera smooth.

I know bro, I am just saying what was said during the keynote lol

 

[P_Devil]

I think HTC created a smart move with the camera but failed when it comes to the physical design of the M9

I think it's the other way around. They were smart with the M9's physical design (for the most part) and didn't come up with a fragile glass phone but dropped the ball when it came to the camera. A 16MP shooter with OIS (like the Sony sensor used in the S6 and Note 4) would have been better than the Toshiba 20MP shooter they ended up using. Once again, the camera in HTC's flagship smartphone is behind everyone else's.

 

[Charles Hinkle]

I think it's the other way around. They were smart with the M9's physical design (for the most part) and didn't come up with a fragile glass phone but dropped the ball when it came to the camera. A 16MP shooter with OIS (like the Sony sensor used in the S6 and Note 4) would have been better than the Toshiba 20MP shooter they ended up using. Once again, the camera in HTC's flagship smartphone is behind everyone else's.

Although the some of camera samples (so far) appear to behind the competition, some look very good as well. I believe it'll still be very good and probably amongst the top. I'm interested in the entire camera experience, for example overall speed, focus, low light, etc. We'll know soon enough it's it behind everyone else's.

 

[vinnie_boombhats]

There will forever be the naysayer. Even in the best restaurants in the world, someone complain about something.

 

[dty06]

Although the some of camera samples (so far) appear to behind the competition, some look very good as well. I believe it'll still be very good and probably amongst the top. I'm interested in the entire camera experience, for example overall speed, focus, low light, etc. We'll know soon enough it's it behind everyone else's.

The M8 camera was really under-rated. Yeah, only 4MP, but tbh I don't care about the size of the image, I care about quality. The M8 camera was great in low-light environments for me. It was also extremely quick. I can take a picture and have it save immediately. My S5 cannot do that, and I (occasionally) have to wait a few seconds before taking another picture.

 

[P_Devil]

Although the some of camera samples (so far) appear to behind the competition, some look very good as well. I believe it'll still be very good and probably amongst the top. I'm interested in the entire camera experience, for example overall speed, focus, low light, etc. We'll know soon enough it's it behind everyone else's.

True, there are other factors such as camera speed that should be taken into consideration. I just haven't seen anything in terms of quality over what my S5 can already do or even what my iPhone 5 did 3 years ago. Night shots look absolutely atrocious (worse than the M8) and grain is being introduced into low light shots that my S5 wouldn't struggle with. That's probably due to the switch back to a normal sensor instead of an UMP one.

The hundreds of sample shots I've looked at (which seem to cover a bunch of different lighting conditions) just don't look special. They're OK but my S5 was OK as well (actually great in well-lit shots). A year later and I want something better than OK, I want an improvement over what I currently have.

I think HTC would have been better off sticking with UMP but upping it to 8MP. My main complaint with the M8's camera was that it looked fine for night shots where detail is often lost but it looked bad for daytime shots. Well, they looked fine on it's display but opening them on a PC would show the lack of detail that came from using a 4MP sensor. Those shots looked like 4MP images. 8MP is really all a smartphone needs even when blowing pictures up to 8X10. I think HTC dropped the ball by not using an 8UMP camera and instead took the "number games" approach by using a higher MP than Samsung and Apple but, in the end, actually used an inferior camera.

We will see what the final M9 produces but I doubt it's going to change, not at this stage when the hardware is final. There's only so much that software can do.

 

[dty06]

I think HTC would have been better off sticking with UMP but upping it to 8MP. My main complaint with the M8's camera was that it looked fine for night shots where detail is often lost but it looked bad for daytime shots. Well, they looked fine on it's display but opening them on a PC would show the lack of detail that came from using a 4MP sensor. Those shots looked like 4MP images. 8MP is really all a smartphone needs even when blowing pictures up to 8X10.

I really cannot agree with you more here. Plus a smaller resolution means it can save quicker and be ready for another picture sooner, which I really appreciate on my M8.

 

[Slick1020]

I expect the M10 to include a duo camera. One ultrapixel camera for low light photos and one for larger megapixel photos. If HTC can pull the best of both worlds that might work out for them. And update the design.....

 

[neo905]

I expect the M10 to include a duo camera. One ultrapixel camera for low light photos and one for larger megapixel photos. If HTC can pull the best off of both worlds that might work out for them. And update the design.....

I was expecting that this time around actually. There were reports of it.

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[Slick1020]

I was expecting that this time around actually. There were reports of it.

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Well, we got fooled.

I don't even think we need a full up power button now. Tap/slide to wake or double tap to turn off. Hold the screen with one finger on it and tap the screen for a restart. They may have to put a very small power button on the left/top side just to make everyone happy. And you need it for rebooting the phone too.

If they give us what we want next year, people with the M9 will be upset.

 

[npaladin-2000]

The fact that people are already talking about the M10 might not bode all that well...

 

[Slick1020]

The fact that people are already talking about the M10 might not bode all that well...

From that interview I posted with Jeff Gordon, seems like a lot of people may skip the M9. For an interviewer to tell him people weren't happy with the design couldn't have been one or two people posting that via Twitter or Facebook. Must have been a lot of techies.

 

[vinnie_boombhats]

The fact that people are already talking about the M10 might not bode all that well...

Just because people live in tomorrow, doesn't mean today is meaningless.

 

[lovenokia]

Don't fool yourself. The Camera will be top notch.

The problem that Samsung has is that they are going with a UNIBODY phone and pricing it the same as the iPhones. People will leave for iPhones because of non removable battery and no SD, not because the Camera is bad.

Plus, if you are on Verizon, this is going to be the same crap... you can root but no custom ROMs. It's BS.

With android lollipop preinstalled, root is impossible to achieve with a locked bootloader.

 

[neo905]

Don't fool yourself. The Camera will be top notch.

The problem that Samsung has is that they are going with a UNIBODY phone and pricing it the same as the iPhones. People will leave for iPhones because of non removable battery and no SD, not because the Camera is bad.

Plus, if you are on Verizon, this is going to be the same crap... you can root but no custom ROMs. It's BS.

Maybe in the US. In the rest of the world with the strength of the US dollar. Apple has really jacked up their prices. In Canada, the S6 will be considerably cheaper than the iPhone 6 now.

iPhone 6 (no term):
– 16GB: $839 (was $749)
– 64GB: $969 (was $859)
– 128GB: $1,099 (was $969)

iPhone 6 Plus (no term):
– 16GB: $969 (was $859)
– 64GB: $1,099 (was $969)
– 128GB: $1,229 (was $1,079)

Samsung Galaxy S6:
-32GB: $750 no-term
-64GB: $860 no-term
-128GB: $960 no-term

Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge:
-32GB: $850 no-term
-64GB: $960 no-term
-128GB: $1,070 no-term

 

[Alex_NJ]

Are they you predictions for the Galaxy, or has there been an announcement somewhere?

 

[neo905]

Are they you predictions for the Galaxy, or has there been an announcement somewhere?

Those are posted pricing from carriers in Canada. Plus we have 13% sales taxes here on top of that. I didn't make them up (-; Even though those iPhone prices look made up. Quite the racket they got going...$1,388.77 with taxes for the iPhone 6+ 128GB.